Vertigo Race Car to have 910PS??

somecoolguy · Jan 4, 2005

Started a new thread because I couldn't find anything that dealt with this.
Screenshots clearly state that the Gillet Vertigo Race Car has 910ps.

Is this just a typo? or has anyone driven this car because you should know it has 910ps because it would be very fast.

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Quattro · Jan 4, 2005

The real car doesn't have 910ps... it uses the 3.2V6 Alfa engine. I believe it produces about +400hp in race-trim

Buggy Boy · Jan 4, 2005

Imo it is the car which participated at the 24Hrs of Spa and the Bahrein GT Festival last year.

With a similar Vertigo race car (2nd car in red) in Spa 2004 :
http://www.renaudkuppens.be/gallery/racespa24h04/DSC_0212_copier

26/11/2004 GT race Bahrein 2nd in GT2 class : http://www.gtfestival.com/reports.php

More (in Dutch) : http://www.autosport.be/shownews.awm?id=4417

More pics of the real car (slightly different paint job, but I do not find any other difference with the car in GT4).
http://www.renaudkuppens.be/gallery/designgv04

I can't imagine where they got this 910 hp from :yuck:

I hope it's just a mistake on the dealer screen. Did anyone drive this car yet?

Hajaz · Jan 4, 2005

this car was in gt3... why would the hp be different?

Pontiac Le Mans · Jan 4, 2005

I just sent an e-mail to the Gillet company in Belgium to ask them whether there exists a real-world Vertigo race-car with that power.

Possible explication: I suppose it must be possible to put that power in the car, but outside the FIA-GT rules. It could be a kind of dragcar or a car which participates in hillclimbs, where there are not such strong technical rules as in FIA GT racing.

Let's wait and see what their answer is

Pontiac Le Mans · Jan 4, 2005

Hajaz
this car was in gt3... why would the hp be different?

It is NOT the car of GT3: it is an '04 version.

Other possibility (see my previous past): could'nt it be a kind of "tuner car" used for drifting contests (I believe there are such contests in Belgium or France)?

Dave A · Jan 4, 2005

I can't explain the power of the car but I do know the model in GT4 is not the same spec as the model in GT3, it's also not a model that was ever used in the Belcar series which is where thoes Vertigo's in the pic above raced so it may not be restricted to 420ish Bhp like thoes, as for the engine, it can produce that power probably not too reliably but a strong 3.2 V6 would handle 900Bhp, the quetion is, for how long.

Omnis · Jan 4, 2005

drift cars dont have (or use) 900+ps.

hahahah.

Gil Abobeleira · Jan 4, 2005

live4speed
I can't explain the power of the car but I do know the model in GT4 is not the same spec as the model in GT3, it's also not a model that was ever used in the Belcar series which is where thoes Vertigo's in the pic above raced so it may not be restricted to 420ish Bhp like thoes, as for the engine, it can produce that power probably not too reliably but a strong 3.2 V6 would handle 900Bhp, the quetion is, for how long.

With two turbos maybe, otherwise, it's just impossible (F1 V10's have 10 cilinders, 3000cm3 and are just shy of the 900 bhp).

Dave A · Jan 4, 2005

Yes F1 cars have a lower engine capacity and no turbo's and produce under 900Bhp. I hav no idea if this car does or doesn't have turbo's I don't kno where it's raced, I just know it's not a Belcar Vertigo like the others.

Buggy Boy · Jan 4, 2005

live4speed
I just know it's not a Belcar Vertigo like the others.

You are well informed Live4speed

However, the car participated to the "non-Belcar" races in Spa and Bahrein under the "National GT rules". These are the BELCAR rules for Belgium.

Difference in regards to 1997 (Vertigo in GT3) is the higher weight for its class, which was 850 kg in 1997 (? - can someone check the GT3 car, my PS2 is on the loft) and 950 kg in 2004 (so this should be the cars weight in GT4).
Power could be slightly higher but not double.

Tuning_Maniac · Jan 4, 2005

Pontiac Le Mans
It is NOT the car of GT3: it is an '04 version.

Other possibility (see my previous past): could'nt it be a kind of "tuner car" used for drifting contests (I believe there are such contests in Belgium or France)?[/QUOTE]

I'm a visitor and "competitor" in the Belgian tuning scene for about 3 years now.
And believe me, although the quality of belgian tuned cars can already compete with most US, Japan and Australian cars, drifting isn't part of the scene yet.
In that aspect we still are some years behind the US and Japan.

Just to let you know

Revheadnz · Jan 4, 2005

Gil Abobeleira
With two turbos maybe, otherwise, it's just impossible (F1 V10's have 10 cilinders, 3000cm3 and are just shy of the 900 bhp).

Formula 1 engines can also rev to about 14,000rpm which I'm sure the Gillet Vertigo can't.

driessie · Jan 4, 2005

Wasn't the Vertigo from GT3 putting out a little over 900 hp when it was fully tuned?
Then it could be a mistake if they looked at the performance from GT3 to put it in the new game...

Fruitcake · Jan 4, 2005

Some F1 engines from the 80's could get 1200 BHP from a 1.5 litre turbocharged engine

A BMW Formula One 1.5 litre turbo racing engine. In excess of 1,000hp, some reports say over 1,200hp. This is at the wheels, too! The BMW engineers reckon they had 1470hp which is rather healthy to say the least.

Pontiac Le Mans · Jan 5, 2005

Unfortunately,

My mail to the Gillet company came back: the e-mail adress doesn't exist anymore.

erAser_crAsh · Jan 5, 2005

Tuning_Maniac
And believe me, although the quality of belgian tuned cars can already compete with most US, Japan and Australian cars, drifting isn't part of the scene yet.
In that aspect we still are some years behind the US and Japan.

Same in France. Lot of people want motorsports (check the high results of various championships OTHER than F1 which is dying here), but nothing comes on.
Drift is known, seen on TV (import DVDs and internet), but we're ages from any drift contest here. Maybe in 20 years, if we're lucky enough.

Buggy Boy · Jan 6, 2005

If somebody has unlocked the Vertigo, could he also have a look at the weight and post it?

Thanks

NeverNZ · Jan 6, 2005

Revheadnz
Formula 1 engines can also rev to about 14,000rpm which I'm sure the Gillet Vertigo can't.

the current generation of F1 engines actually rev to about 19,000 - 21,000 RPM

some 600cc street motorcycles will rev to 16,000rpm

VT · Jan 6, 2005

Therefore they can make more power with less, although I'm not sure exactly how the engines work.

The only car in GT3 that I recall being able to rev any where close to that high was the Calibra Touring Car, the Vertigo's redline was around ~8000 IIRC.

Yes I know it is a different Vertigo, but I don't believe they would double the redline from one version of the car to the next.

PhatFat · Jan 6, 2005

What does PS stand for???

MrktMkr1986 · Jan 6, 2005

PhatFat
What does PS stand for???

PS is metric horsepower. Not sure what it stand for though.

(looking up answer...)

Found answer! 💡

in German, PS (for Pferdestärke).

Famine · Jan 6, 2005

Pferdenstarke (also Cheval Vapeur - CV). It literally means "horse power", but is actually slightly more than 1 horsepower. 1PS = 0.986hp.

1hp = 550lbft/s
1PS = 75kgm/s

Buggy Boy · Jan 9, 2005

The first board member to test the Vertigo has been Samberto, who was as nice to PM me the specs of the car in the garage. I quote with his permission :

Samberto
Here are the specs for the Vertigo:

Displacement (3788 cc)

In garage with oil change:
Power: (946ps/8950rpm) Torque 81.05 kgfm/6300

Weight: 780Kg

Seems to be naturally aspirated. However, stage three turbo is the only power upgrade available. (1008 ps)

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/5443/vert12ym.jpg

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/4109/vert22iy.jpg

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/6047/vert38vq.jpg

http://img61.exs.cx/img61/2712/vert48eu.jpg

Almost simultaneously there was Famines car database, confirming the performance figures with 897 hp. This, converted to PS, and multiplied by 1,05 for the oil change, should give about the same result.

So, this only confirms the extremely high performance on the dealer screen 👎

The next step now is to find out where this figures come from :
- is it an existing race car, set up for a race with little restrictive rules?
- is it the 2004 car, which was driven a.o. in Spa, but for the game in a set-up without ballast and air restrictors?
- is it a concept?
- or is it simply a phantasy car?

Imo looks mostly like the last option, but any help in confirming which car this is, is welcome!

illegal · Jan 9, 2005

This is quite a dissapointment... Couldn't they just use the same Gillet as in GT3, updated to the newer 2004 version?
Do you think PD would answer if we asked them which car they used as reference?

If this is a glitch it's definately something to fix in the PAL version.

tseramed · Jan 9, 2005

I remember quite a lot of mistakes in power figures before. But I wouln't have expected that in GT4... Just look at the JGTC cars in GT2. Stock they were at 600+ bHP while the real world counterparts were barely at 500 bHP. I can make up for that mistake but stepping from a 803 KG - 440 bHP (8500rpm) to a whopping 900+ hp is just ridiculous. Meabe it's real data but a V6 900 bHP at 800kg would like fly off the track at any bump.

Dave A · Jan 9, 2005

In GT2 PD wasn't allowed to use the real specs for some reason so they used artistic license and specced them so they were competitive against the top flight.

Buggy Boy · Jan 10, 2005

illegal
Do you think PD would answer if we asked them which car they used as reference?

I should not even know where to address the question to. I expect the way via SCEE or SCEA/J (see thread closed by snOOpy) would not make it. But I don't stop you if you want to try

jctg · Jan 11, 2005

Buggy Boy
If somebody has unlocked the Vertigo, could he also have a look at the weight and post it?

Thanks

I bought it last nite. The weight was, IIRC, 830kg or 870kg. It definitely is lighter than an Audi R8 or the Sauber Mercedes or the BMW LM car because I checked before I bought it. It has 910 horsepower off the floor. Stage 4 turbo, the only modification for power available, will give it another 60 bhp.

Better power to weight ratio than the aforementioned competitors anyway without the mod, and at 1,000,000 credit, much cheaper than the others at either 3.5 or 4.5 million.

And yes it is damn fast, driven properly.

somecoolguy · Jan 11, 2005

Not only does it have 897HP but it also shows a lot of torque (78.00). The Vertigo race car '04 does not have this power in real life.

Also the Nissan R89C, R92CP and Toyota 88C-V display 811PS (800HP)
though many sources state they have 800HP (811PS) not 800PS (789HP)

Vertigo Race Car to have 910PS??

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