CAR Magazine: GT4 vs Nurnburgring

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Look out for the august issue of CAR magazine. In the July edition they advertise for their august issue were they are gonna try and beat their GT4 time on the real Nurburgring track. Should be interesting :)

Here is a link to their web page:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/

- Bullitt73
 
That's just a portal page - you need to subscribe to find anything actually relevant out.
 
Hopefully they use Standard tires or they'll die trying to push hard enough to keep up to the GT4 time. Unless the guy racing in GT4 really sucks.
 
i am right now trying every car of gt4 on nurburgring and ill make a list of them in orders(faster to slower, with split time.)

what the list will include: horsepower(after oil change)
nurburgring time
nurburgring top speed(on hte lap)
quarter mile@speed
max speed


all time can be faster but i drive them all the same way.(i didnt push too much)
to drive without going in grass, i did an average of 2 laps per car or more, it will be like
300 car+in my test, so, its more than 600 lap, and some cars make a lap in 10 minutes so: let say an average of 8'30.000 X 600laps(and more)=4980 minutes=83 hour=3.5 days no break (and its aminimum, i drive some cars 5 laps :crazy:

i have like 150 cars done, and many surprise! some cars are pretty fast for there hp, (all test are with stock road car, stock tires)

i do like 2-7 cars per day. so a lot of time left.

this will help for choosing which car can challenge an other, you will probably says
that im crazy but i like make stats !! :dopey:

i dont know if it can be interesting for all of you, let me know if you all want me to release the list here.
 
Yeah there are certainly section of the track where I have my doubts about their pushing it to the limit, like we would in the game, where we are nice and safe. Bergwerk for example, or Pflanzgarten I and II, not to mention the high speed left hander at Klostertal. Obviously, if they push the cars as hard in the game as they can, it will be impossible, with ANY car.

However, if anybody gets there hands on the magazine with their results please let us know! 👍
 
Just read the CAR August edititon but no article on GT4 and the ring :( I see on their web page that they now advertise it for the September issue, so we have to wait that issue.

I always buy the magazine so I'll post a sum up when I get it. Unless someone from the UK who get's it earlier than here in Norway wants fill us in.
 
For all non-uk member's::

There is a tv programme over here called top gear.

One of the presenters drove a car round there( i think it was a Jaguar of some sort) and did it under 10 minutes. when he came off, the woman who 'takes' people around in an M5 said to him that she could do the same time in a ford transit van!!!!

So a couple of weeks ago, it was on the programme. the first lap she did was 10:40 with a passenger. so she came back in, stripped out the spare wheel etc and the passenger. and did it in 10min 12 seconds in a 2 litre diesel !!!!

she was flying past porsche's and bikers like they were standing still. swearing at them to get out of her way!!!
 
damo909
For all non-uk member's::

There is a tv programme over here called top gear.

One of the presenters drove a car round there( i think it was a Jaguar of some sort) and did it under 10 minutes. when he came off, the woman who 'takes' people around in an M5 said to him that she could do the same time in a ford transit van!!!!

So a couple of weeks ago, it was on the programme. the first lap she did was 10:40 with a passenger. so she came back in, stripped out the spare wheel etc and the passenger. and did it in 10min 12 seconds in a 2 litre diesel !!!!

she was flying past porsche's and bikers like they were standing still. swearing at them to get out of her way!!!
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I saw the episode where clarkson drove the diesel Jaguar round the track, he got 9.59 after practice laps. That woman was certified insane though, plus she's been driving the ring for years. I can't wait for that van episode to come on TV here though.
 
damo909
For all non-uk member's::

There is a tv programme over here called top gear.

One of the presenters drove a car round there( i think it was a Jaguar of some sort) and did it under 10 minutes. when he came off, the woman who 'takes' people around in an M5 said to him that she could do the same time in a ford transit van!!!!

So a couple of weeks ago, it was on the programme. the first lap she did was 10:40 with a passenger. so she came back in, stripped out the spare wheel etc and the passenger. and did it in 10min 12 seconds in a 2 litre diesel !!!!

she was flying past porsche's and bikers like they were standing still. swearing at them to get out of her way!!!
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Mad Murphy NZ
I saw the episode where clarkson drove the diesel Jaguar round the track, he got 9.59 after practice laps. That woman was certified insane though, plus she's been driving the ring for years. I can't wait for that van episode to come on TV here though.
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That's Sabine Schmidt. She's the queen of the ring. She got 9:12 or 9:20, I think, with Clarkson's diesel jag.

She lives and works near the ring, and she's done possibly more laps than almost anyone else.
 
We have Top Gear here in the states now. they showed the one with the evo vs. murcielago this week. Can't wait to see her drive the van, that should be great stuff!!
 
Just read through the September issue of CAR magazine and they finally have the article.

The car used is the Nissan 350Z GT4. He's been using a DFP on the PS2 and uses normal road tyres. The times are:

PS2: 7 min 57.605 sec
Real: 9 min 03.786 sec

He estimate he could take off 20 seconds in hold-ups because off traffic. Also some comments he makes about the real track compared to the game:

"The track feels narrower, the straight are shorter, but it's the same."

"The game flattens perspective, so it doesn't quite give you a full idea of elevation changes, either - and they're severe."

- Bullitt73
 
Its kind of annoying that you can go so much faster in GT4, kind of chucks realism and accuracy out the window. something is quite cearly wrong somewhere when you can reach 5.XX times...
 
FooAtari
Its kind of annoying that you can go so much faster in GT4, kind of chucks realism and accuracy out the window. something is quite cearly wrong somewhere when you can reach 5.XX times...
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Most defantly a 5 minute time could be had by someone in a very high powered, high downfroce car. I.E, LMP's F1's, GP2's........ect Someone really could dip that low, but really none would wan't to go flat out at the ring just for the reason that its so dangersous going THAT fast, especially if your not on a closed track where theres no traffic. With little bikes, slow sedans and wagon's on the track you would never be able to really give it your all because around every bend disaster could happen. When was the last time that Lemans series wen't to the ring, 82 or 83? Wasn't a 6'1x.xxx time done? 20 something years later I think better can be had with today's technology.

But really in GT4 it all boils down to tires, the tires, those dang R1,2,3,4,5 tires and GT's fact that you can really max out a car big time in every aspect to go faster making actual real life time comparisons much like hitting the broad side of a barn with a rock in the middle of a blizzard after hypothermia has set in and you can no longer feel, anything. Race cars should have S tires and street cars should have N tires and not modding your car for more performance. Thats your best bet for getting a semi accurate comparison.

Perfect case is the RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird, get one dead stock in GT4 and slap on a set of N1 tires, turn off the panzy driver aids and wallah you'll be going nearly the same speeds Stefan Rosler did when your giving 100% and getting 100% out of the car just like in the Fanzanation video when he wasn't in traffic in his RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird that was showroom stock.
 
Has anyone tried setting a GT lap on N-tires WITH tire wear and traffic? I think that's bound to lop off fifteen to twenty seconds from tire wear alone!
 
3rdgenracerX
Most defantly a 5 minute time could be had by someone in a very high powered, high downfroce car. I.E, LMP's F1's, GP2's........ect Someone really could dip that low, but really none would wan't to go flat out at the ring just for the reason that its so dangersous going THAT fast, especially if your not on a closed track where theres no traffic. With little bikes, slow sedans and wagon's on the track you would never be able to really give it your all because around every bend disaster could happen. When was the last time that Lemans series wen't to the ring, 82 or 83? Wasn't a 6'1x.xxx time done? 20 something years later I think better can be had with today's technology.

But really in GT4 it all boils down to tires, the tires, those dang R1,2,3,4,5 tires and GT's fact that you can really max out a car big time in every aspect to go faster making actual real life time comparisons much like hitting the broad side of a barn with a rock in the middle of a blizzard after hypothermia has set in and you can no longer feel, anything. Race cars should have S tires and street cars should have N tires and not modding your car for more performance. Thats your best bet for getting a semi accurate comparison.

Perfect case is the RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird, get one dead stock in GT4 and slap on a set of N1 tires, turn off the panzy driver aids and wallah you'll be going nearly the same speeds Stefan Rosler did when your giving 100% and getting 100% out of the car just like in the Fanzanation video when he wasn't in traffic in his RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird that was showroom stock.
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The problem with games is the fear factor, their is none!

Also you can tune a car perectly in a game, where minute adjustments can made to every settings, which cant realisticly be done in real life either.

I guess its no surprise that really fast laps can be acheived in a game but steps could be made to make the game more realistic. Like actually haveing less adjustments. I mean no car can have gears tuned to the level and accuracy that can be acheived in a driving game.... Well its possible in theory but its not even slightly practical...
 
3rdgenracerX
Most defantly a 5 minute time could be had by someone in a very high powered, high downfroce car. I.E, LMP's F1's, GP2's........ect Someone really could dip that low, but really none would wan't to go flat out at the ring just for the reason that its so dangersous going THAT fast, especially if your not on a closed track where theres no traffic. With little bikes, slow sedans and wagon's on the track you would never be able to really give it your all because around every bend disaster could happen. When was the last time that Lemans series wen't to the ring, 82 or 83? Wasn't a 6'1x.xxx time done? 20 something years later I think better can be had with today's technology.

But really in GT4 it all boils down to tires, the tires, those dang R1,2,3,4,5 tires and GT's fact that you can really max out a car big time in every aspect to go faster making actual real life time comparisons much like hitting the broad side of a barn with a rock in the middle of a blizzard after hypothermia has set in and you can no longer feel, anything. Race cars should have S tires and street cars should have N tires and not modding your car for more performance. Thats your best bet for getting a semi accurate comparison.

Perfect case is the RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird, get one dead stock in GT4 and slap on a set of N1 tires, turn off the panzy driver aids and wallah you'll be going nearly the same speeds Stefan Rosler did when your giving 100% and getting 100% out of the car just like in the Fanzanation video when he wasn't in traffic in his RUF CTR 87' Yellowbird that was showroom stock.
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My experience of the RUf on N1s (i ran it to compare to the Stefan video also as i was intrigued how the GT4 car understeered so much) is that after some chassis adjustment to get oversteer my lap was about a 7.41 which i think was still somewhere in the region of 50 seconds faster than real life, i really dont like how Gt4 is that much faster, as has already been said, the lap is correct in mileage terms but the fear factor and speeds reached is completely unrealistic.

Correct me if wrong but i think the Derek Bell (Porsche 956) video is about a 6.25 lap time, these days with minimal ground clearance high downforce cars a lap round the ring would be a nightmare i imagine!

Shame about GT4 being just a bit too quick! Maybe damage is called for in Gt5, would think twice before entering a corner too quick if it meant your car was wrecked!
 
Dave_George
Maybe damage is called for in Gt5, would think twice before entering a corner too quick if it meant your car was wrecked!
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definetly !.. its my one massive gripe with the game.. oi have no care what so ever ploughing into a barrier, becasue i know as soon as im back on the track, the car is in the same condition it was before the hickup..
 
yeah thats true. hmm maybe if they had a proper life in the game. say you hit a barrier at 300kph + you died instantly, have to restart game. Or fully realistic damage modelling and the cost to repair your car after every minor fault. Hitting some of the curbs the way people do around the ring in gt4 would sure bend your suspension out of place making the car go right off.
 
Some of you don't realize this is still a game, major selling point is fun. No matter how close they want to bring it to real life, it's no fun when you smash up and have to restart. While i think the there should be a full on sim version of the GT game, until we get tv that can support full panoramic view, sense of speed in this game will still be off. Sense of speed and the fear or losing control is what keeps individuals from going balls to the walls, GT4's sense of speed is hit or miss while going at extreme speeds it feels very good, lower speeds below 150 seem out of wack. Perspective is what is missing, since our peripheral view is what helps with realizing sense of speed, but normal tv screens don't offer such views...so they rely on higher framerates and faster animation to convey high sense of speed. Hope they get the sense of speed squared away in the next installment, along with parts damage, engine overheating, gears, realistic tire damage.
 

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