Under or over?

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

I was just curious to know how you people want your cars to behave and didn't find a poll about this. So I made my own one. Do you go for the slight oversteer that gives you the small edge on speed or the slight understeer that gives you the safe stability when cornering?

Please tell also something else related to the subject (braking technique etc)

jumpputt · Aug 18, 2005

If I have to pick one or the other I'd rather have a little oversteer.

Specialized · Aug 18, 2005

I like my cars to turn in crisply with a touch of power understeer turning into progressive oversteer. It may not be the quickest way but it gives me endless amounts of fun!

realisticperson · Aug 18, 2005

You forgot to add 'neutral' in your poll, so I didn't vote.

But if I had to choose any one of these two, I would take oversteer.

Mt. Lynx · Aug 18, 2005

I alway set up my cars to oversteer a little (emphasis on little), so oversteer it is... And I can´t understand why anyone would want their car to understeer????

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

realisticperson
You forgot to add 'neutral' in your poll, so I didn't vote.

But if I had to choose any one of these two, I would take oversteer.

I didn't forget, I did it on purpose. Actually there are very few cars that can be tuned to be neutral in GT4, so I only included these two.

I think that if the car doesn't oversteer or understeer, you're driving too slow :cool:

Specialized · Aug 18, 2005

Team666
I alway set up my cars to oversteer a little (emphasis on little), so oversteer it is... And I can´t understand why anyone would want their car to understeer????

Alot of cars are actually tuned to understeer before oversteering as it makes the car more predictable and who wants to drive a car wich is snappy and unpredictable? i know that when my cars begin to understeer it means 2 things, A) im pushing the car very hard and B) Get ready to correct the oversteer wich is about to come.

Its not as if i want my car to carry on going forward even though the wheels are pointing the opposite way. I just find it helps to drive the cars faster as my car tells me what its going to do so i can anticipate what action to take and keep it all controlled.

slotcarrod · Aug 18, 2005

Greycap
I didn't forget, I did it on purpose. Actually there are very few cars that can be tuned to be neutral in GT4, so I only included these two.

I think that if the car doesn't oversteer or understeer, you're driving too slow

What do you mean? Neutral would be perfection! This from a Finn??

I and most people like a bit of oversteer. I like to get very little push exiting under power.

For braking? You will always brake faster in a straight line but this may not be the fastest way around a given corner!

rsmithdrift · Aug 18, 2005

I HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDERSTEER. Not to mention that it is the slowest way around a turn. Also I am a drifter, so yeah, sideways is good for me. LOSE IS FAST! Can not emphasize this enough.

O.k. that was a little exagerative. In reality it depends on the condition at hand, if you're endurance racing then understeer is your friend. You wont last 24 hours sliding the turns like that. So for the long races I'll tune in a little bit of understeer. Especially with cars that have racing slicks. The ultimate goal is neutral in all circumstances, but for long races, understeer is safer than over. If you are sprint racing however, or just trying to put in a fast lap, you won't get it unless you have some oversteer, boardering on drifting in some cases.

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

slotcarrod
What do you mean? Neutral would be perfection! This from a Finn??

Maybe it's just me, but one of the fastest, if not the fastest, F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen, has often said that he likes to drive an oversteering car. He just can't drive a neutral car as fast. Now what do you mean by perfection? :dopey:

nissan man · Aug 18, 2005

Oversteer all the way!
with understeer you have to brake to get a tighter corner

spykerdriver · Aug 18, 2005

Oversteer is much more fun than understeer any day.

JTSnooks · Aug 18, 2005

Well actually, ANY car in GT4 can be tuned for oversteer, understeer, or to be completely neutral. Maybe you just need practice tuning

As for over or understeer, oversteer all the way! Understeer is for little girls

VT · Aug 18, 2005

Definately oversteer. You can correct that while cornering however if you're understeering you're going to be introduced to the wall shortly.

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

JTSnooks
Well actually, ANY car in GT4 can be tuned for oversteer, understeer, or to be completely neutral. Maybe you just need practice tuning

As for over or understeer, oversteer all the way! Understeer is for little girls

Of course any car can be tuned to be whatever you want it to be, even completely neutral, but when you're driving fast enough, it begins to understeer or oversteer (otherwise you could take every corner on full throttle)...

Alfaholic · Aug 18, 2005

I voted oversteer because it tends to allow the car to be more adjustable, which is useful when I screw up a corner or overshoot a braking point, and also fits better with my habit of turning in late. This, however, is in GT4. In indoor karts I have found that I am faster in a car with a small amount of initial understeer, as long as it is still adjustable, because I can get on the power sooner and can lap more consistently. On the road I prefer a neutral balance because I tend to find that, again, makes the car adjustable mid - corner, so I always have some options to allow for the unexpected. Neutral doesn't mean "not sliding" :sly:

Kimi may like oversteer but the current championship leader, Alonso, prefers an understeering GP car. So did Berger. Senna liked his car to slightly oversteer in slow corners, to help the car turn, and slightly understeer in high speed corners, to give stability.

JTSnooks · Aug 18, 2005

Greycap
Of course any car can be tuned to be whatever you want it to be, even completely neutral, but when you're driving fast enough, it begins to understeer or oversteer (otherwise you could take every corner on full throttle)...

That's not "understeer" or "oversteer", that's just stupid

You can go into a corner way too fast and turn the car, and it will behave just how it's supposed to and not push or slide, yet still overshoot the corner. The car is still handling neutrally, you're just going too fast for the tires to keep it on the road

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

Well now I understand what you meant.

Grand Prix · Aug 18, 2005

slotcarrod
What do you mean? Neutral would be perfection! This from a Finn??

I and most people like a bit of oversteer. I like to get very little push exiting under power.

For breaking? You will always break faster in a straight line but this may not be the fastest way around a given corner!

Hmmm, I disagree. Braking into a corner is as natural as accelerating out of one. If you "coast" at any point of a corner, you're wasting valuable efficieny.

_â¢Â¹_ · Aug 18, 2005

Oversteer is funnier and quicker than any other way of driving.
It isn't because of nothing that all Formulas and the majority of the race cars are have rear wheel transmission.

Cumps*

rsmithdrift · Aug 18, 2005

Grand Prix
Hmmm, I disagree. Braking into a corner is as natural as accelerating out of one. If you "coast" at any point of a corner, you're wasting valuable efficieny.

One thing I wish B-spec Dip Sh** would figure out. He may be 5mph faster than me mid corner, BUT I'M 10mph faster than him at both corner entry and exit. And that makes me around 20mph faster down the next straight. All he's doing is wearing out the tires and using gas. MORON.

And I think that Senna was the best for a reason, His Idea is perfect. For long races you want it to slightly oversteer at low speeds, and slightly understeer at high speeds. In an F1 car this is achieved by setting the car to be mechanically loose, and areodynamically tight. Lightning fast laps can be achieved with a car like this. If you slide a tire at high speeds you scrub enormous amounts of speed and up to .5xx off of your lap time, just by doing it once!

slotcarrod · Aug 18, 2005

Greycap
Maybe it's just me, but one of the fastest, if not the fastest, F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen, has often said that he likes to drive an oversteering car. He just can't drive a neutral car as fast. Now what do you mean by perfection?

Perfection? Oversteer tends to scrub speed and it may make you spin out. Push or understeer takes away your driving line and in dooing so there is a loss in speed. ( You slow down to correct it!) Sooo, a neutral car would be perfect!

Many drivers like oversteer to compensate for the slow reaction times and minor mistakes on entry. No one is perfect!

slotcarrod · Aug 18, 2005

Grand Prix
Hmmm, I disagree. Braking into a corner is as natural as accelerating out of one. If you "coast" at any point of a corner, you're wasting valuable efficieny.

Read what I said before you reply!

Greycap · Aug 18, 2005

Actually Kimi likes oversteering cars because he knows he has fast enough reactions to correct the slipping of the car. I wouldn't call that compensating... Of course the neutral car would be perfect, but the car that is neutral under all fuel loads and tyre wear conditions must have active suspension. That's the case with F1 cars in the early '90s.

Grand Prix · Aug 18, 2005

slotcarrod
Read what I said before you reply!

At least it was a better post than "I agree with slotcarrod". :sly:

Brake faster in a straight line? Sure. Is it faster around a whole circuit? Pfffffffff, on a Tilke track maybe. :mischievous:

led1013 · Aug 18, 2005

I Hate understeer because the only way to stop it is to brake 👎 , but with oversteer you can slam on the gas and spin the tires like crazy

luftrofl · Aug 18, 2005

Oversteer is much easier to drive with, because you can use counter steer to get out of a slide.

JTSnooks · Aug 18, 2005

So everybody here likes oversteer...who voted for understeer then??

slotcarrod · Aug 18, 2005

Grand Prix
At least it was a better post than "I agree with slotcarrod". Brake faster in a straight line? Sure. Is it faster around a whole circuit? Pfffffffff, on a Tilke track maybe.

As I said: For braking? You will always brake faster in a straight line but this may not be the fastest way around a given corner!

VT · Aug 18, 2005

slotcarrod
As I said: For breaking? You will always break faster in a straight line but this may not be the fastest way around a given corner!

You do realize that brake as in stopping a car is not spelled the same as break as in take a rest, right?

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