FIA GT3 Championship -- ALL DRIVERS SIGNED UP OR INTERESTED LOOK HERE!

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Gentlemen. It is obvious the series isn't going silky smooth right now. Miniscule numbers have been hampering us over these two Rounds of competition. So here is the deal. I NEED to get your input on the series, what do you like, don't like? Should the races be more spread out? How can I gain, and keep the interest of the drivers who aren't participating and appear to have fallen off of the face of the earth? If you haven't participated, or have been away from the series, why? Is the series to complicated? Should the rules be simplified?

Bottom line, we've been waiting far to long for Round 2 to finnish. We aren't even halfway there. I currently have only a handful of drivers who have completed qualifying times and I've tried to be generous by giving those who haven't submited, or have recently signed up, time to submit.

If the series is to complicated what should we do? Simplify the series we have here or go with my Plan B? Below is an overview of Plan B, a simple, fast(er) and fun GT series that we can all participate in and enjoy.

The series would have two classes:

GT1: Any street legal car in GT4 is accepted. All mods except NOS are allowed. Car must produce at a minimum 600hp and a maximum of 660hp. Cars may not weigh less than 1100kg and it is recommended to keep weights below 1300kg.

GT2: GT2 rules are slightly more restrictive than their GT1 bigger brothers. The GT2 class has its roots in sports cars, Ruf RGT's, and the like will be featured. Cars may range from 440hp to 570hp. Forced induction (Turbo or Superchargers) may only be used on cars that from the factory came with forced induction. Cars weights are not to be lower than 1000kg and no higher than 1150. Again, all mods are allowed with the exception of NOS and the above forced induction rule.

Now, I haven't worked out series rules or specific regulations. However, expect this to be an endurance championship. We may run the races from the endurance hall.

m.piedgros

EDIT: Also, GN+ has his Super Taikyu series he's been trying to start up. If you can post the new grid and all that I think we could run Super Taikyu instead of GT3 or Plan B if the GT3 drivers show interest, or would prefer that.
 
I think your series needs to be overhauled, not to be mean in any way:(.
But some of the problem is the driver's(I did try hard to get you my times:(),
and I think you were a little soft on all of us driver's. What I think you need to
do is set a date and wait for no one, if you can't get your times in you will be DQ.
I had no problems with the cars:tup:, and the tracks were good too:tup:.
All you need is to set the rules and don't change them, and the way things are
now you have most of the bugs worked out so that part is done.
If you need help with any thing just PM me and I will help the best I can:).
And i'm sorry if I sound mean, I don't mean to be rude in any way.
 
No, no, no! By no means were you being mean. I suppose I was too leniant. I was just trying to find a balance. If guys really wanted to race against 6 cars they'd choose a race in GT4 that they could compete in with a weaker than average car. I wanted to get at least 11 or 12. Ultimately it would have been much greater but you can't always get what you wanted. I'll try to work this all out but I am going to need the support of the racers currently signed up to help me out. Again, if you are registered in GT3 PLEASE post here. It is imparative unless we want to see the series fail.

m.piedgros
 
Super Taikyu provisional cars: Always room for more as well.

All Cars
Rigidity
Racing Brakes, Brake Controller
Transmission: FC, TR, RC, 2.
Racing Medium Tires
Wing
Oil Change
Full-Race Suspension
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Class1 (FIA GT3 Equal, could be placed here.)
Opera Performance Fairlady Z
Racing Muffler
NA Stage III

RUF RGT
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Racing Muffler
NA Stage II

-------------------------------------
Class2
Subaru ImpreZa Sedan WRX STi
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage I

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII GSR
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage I
-------------------------------------
Class3
BMW M3
Weight Reduction Stage III

Honda NSX
Racing Muffler
NA Stage 1
Port Polish
Engine Balance

Mazda RX-8 Type-S
NA Stage III
Racing Exhaust

Nissan Fairlady Z
Racing Muffler
NA Stage 1
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Weight Reduc Stage 1
-------------------------------------
Class4
Honda Integra Type R DC5
NA Stage II
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage 3
-------------------------------------
Class5
Toyota Altezza RS200
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Full Race Exhaust
NA Stage 2
Racing Chip
Engine Balance

More cars are being tested at the moment....but this is fairly close to the real deal.
 
I love the series don't get me wrong, but I'm getting ready to race for the first time in a week so its going to be interesting :) I hope we get to race some more because the series is really a lot of fun... --- Randy
 
I believe that we should continue this series. Plan B is too general, I am looking to race in series that are specific and recognizable, series based on their real-life counterparts. There are some changes, however, I think would be help. First off, you have given us a bunch of inormation. I believe that it could be better organized and some wording cut out completely or simplified, and emphasizing the crucial parts. There should be no change in deadlines when made, unless circumstances arise.

I find it a little long (a week) for qualifying, and only 1 week to come up with a 20 lap run without going off the track, but it's manageable. I'm guessing that most of us have average driving skills, and incidents and off-track excursions are bound to happen. I think it's better to submit and have penalties assessed, than to not submit because I could never get a clean, 20 lap in that would win. Afterall, the real series is for non-professional drivers, and even the pros make mistakes. Just submit, and have the penalties assessed.

I know there are a few people who want to see this series through. It would be great to have every car represented, and to have a double digit starting grid for every race, but this is the innagural championship, of a series that some probably didn't know existed (me). People that don't qualify for a round can always join in later for a later round (there are 5). Overall, I think this this series is laid out just fine, with the proper cars, tracks, and rules. I think having this series continue will, in iteself bring in more participants. Finish this series and starting planning for the next one. 👍

P.S. Sorry for paragraphs :ouch:
 
I have to say that what InsaneRacer says does sounds good.
The cars,tracks, and rules are good and about running 20 laps clean is hard,
but thats what I think would happen, because we are not pro's;).
And what he said "Finish this series and starting planning for the next one"
does sound like a good idea:tup:.
 
Alright. If the series were to come back, but in the form of Super Taikyu where the ST1 cars are similarly prepared to what we are running would you guys rather run FIA GT3 or switch over to Super Taikyu, again, not a recognizable series for westerners but from what I can tell, GN+'s set-up looks very similar to the real thing.

Also, I am thinking about changing the schedule to make it easier on you drivers. Would you guys be interested in running some of the races on the Enduance Hall schedule instead of our current (complicated) system?

m.piedgros

EDIT: With a schedule change, it would bring us a little further away from the real thing, thoughts?
 
GN+
Super Taikyu provisional cars: Always room for more as well.

All Cars
Rigidity
Racing Brakes, Brake Controller
Transmission: FC, TR, RC, 2.
Racing Medium Tires
Wing
Oil Change
Full-Race Suspension
-------------------------------------
Class1 (FIA GT3 Equal, could be placed here.)
Opera Performance Fairlady Z
Racing Muffler
NA Stage III

RUF RGT
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Racing Muffler
NA Stage II

-------------------------------------
Class2
Subaru ImpreZa Sedan WRX STi
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage I

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII GSR
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage I
-------------------------------------
Class3
BMW M3
Weight Reduction Stage III

Honda NSX
Racing Muffler
NA Stage 1
Port Polish
Engine Balance

Mazda RX-8 Type-S
NA Stage III
Racing Exhaust

Nissan Fairlady Z
Racing Muffler
NA Stage 1
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Weight Reduc Stage 1
-------------------------------------
Class4
Honda Integra Type R DC5
NA Stage II
Port Polish
Racing Chip
Racing Muffler
Weight Reduction Stage 3
-------------------------------------
Class5
Toyota Altezza RS200
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Full Race Exhaust
NA Stage 2
Racing Chip
Engine Balance

More cars are being tested at the moment....but this is fairly close to the real deal.
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Cars can run any wing?

m.piedgros

EDIT: I've done some substantial testing and have come up with some conclusions regarding the current field:

1. Wing type should be optional. Allowing some sort of variable, such as that seems interesting. I've tested cars in the same class, and even same cars - same class - differemt wing and have seen that the cars only go off by about .200 seconds from the straight A wing to the last 3D wing.

2. In ST3 I've built a regular Mazda RX-8 '03 with your mods and added Port Polish, Engine Balance, and Racing Chip and I've concluded that it could run as quick or quicker lap times around some circuits than the Type S. Using the Regular version with the extra mods makes the car more efficient and race like. Would that put the three other cars at a disadvantage? Not necessarilly. The Fairlady runs Port Polish and Race Chip so I can only assume the field would be fine.

3. For ST4 I was wondering if we could add a Mini Cooper S, DC2 Integra and S2000.

4. For ST5 The addition of an Alfa 156 or 166, Honda EK Civic, and Honda EP Civic Type R would make the field more realistic, right? (Unless I've got ST4 and ST5 confused somehow, I'm using a crappy internet translator in order to get information from a Japanese website outlining the series.)
 
m.piedgros
Cars can run any wing?

m.piedgros

EDIT: I've done some substantial testing and have come up with some conclusions regarding the current field:

1. Wing type should be optional. Allowing some sort of variable, such as that seems interesting. I've tested cars in the same class, and even same cars - same class - differemt wing and have seen that the cars only go off by about .200 seconds from the straight A wing to the last 3D wing.
As far as my testing has gone, I haven't noticed any difference between the wings, I was under the impression they were all the same, however, you may be right.

2. In ST3 I've built a regular Mazda RX-8 '03 with your mods and added Port Polish, Engine Balance, and Racing Chip and I've concluded that it could run as quick or quicker lap times around some circuits than the Type S. Using the Regular version with the extra mods makes the car more efficient and race like. Would that put the three other cars at a disadvantage? Not necessarilly. The Fairlady runs Port Polish and Race Chip so I can only assume the field would be fine.
We ran a test season with this grid to finish up season seven, and the RX-8 was not chosen among any of the competitors, i'll give this a try and see what I can work out.

3. For ST4 I was wondering if we could add a Mini Cooper S, DC2 Integra and S2000.
Personally, I'd like to see the S2000 in this field to get even closer to the real thing. However, in our testing, it's been hard to find a similar setup in which the S2000 doesn't eat the DC5 Alive.

4. For ST5 The addition of an Alfa 156 or 166, Honda EK Civic, and Honda EP Civic Type R would make the field more realistic, right? (Unless I've got ST4 and ST5 confused somehow, I'm using a crappy internet translator in order to get information from a Japanese website outlining the series.)
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As I highlighted earlier, i'd like to see more cars. And, like the real series, cars come and go from race to race. (i.e. a Honda Prelude will show up for one race, Alfa 156, Toyota Celica, etc.) It's all in the testing as far as which cars are in. We had one driver enter this class in the test season with a similarly prepared Seat Ibiza, and he placed third out of four.
 
I've run into some difficulties with the Fairlady Z and RX-8 in ST3. The solution, IMO is to slow the class down slightly. They could end up placing higher than the ST2 class at certain events, is that common? The problem is the Fairlady and RX-8 are much slower than the NSX and M3. Thoughts?

m.piedgros

EDIT: Essentially the to get a car into a class they must be similarly tuned and perform to within on a given set of circuits, say .5-1 second, right?

EDIT 2: Maybe we could just speed up class 2?
 
InsaneRacer
I believe that we should continue this series. Plan B is too general, I am looking to race in series that are specific and recognizable, series based on their real-life counterparts. There are some changes, however, I think would be help. First off, you have given us a bunch of inormation. I believe that it could be better organized and some wording cut out completely or simplified, and emphasizing the crucial parts. There should be no change in deadlines when made, unless circumstances arise.

I find it a little long (a week) for qualifying, and only 1 week to come up with a 20 lap run without going off the track, but it's manageable. I'm guessing that most of us have average driving skills, and incidents and off-track excursions are bound to happen. I think it's better to submit and have penalties assessed, than to not submit because I could never get a clean, 20 lap in that would win. Afterall, the real series is for non-professional drivers, and even the pros make mistakes. Just submit, and have the penalties assessed.

I know there are a few people who want to see this series through. It would be great to have every car represented, and to have a double digit starting grid for every race, but this is the innagural championship, of a series that some probably didn't know existed (me). People that don't qualify for a round can always join in later for a later round (there are 5). Overall, I think this this series is laid out just fine, with the proper cars, tracks, and rules. I think having this series continue will, in iteself bring in more participants. Finish this series and starting planning for the next one. 👍

P.S. Sorry for paragraphs :ouch:
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The way the rules are writen for "Plan B" is essentially a direct translation of how the rules for FIA GT.

m.piedgros
 
Class 2 and Class 3 are fairly similar and produce equal results. I believe Class 2 has something to do with all-wheel drive and turbo. If you can find better settings you may think will make them more equal, let me know. As for now, this car list is just provisional.
 
Okay. I've worked out my problem with the 350 (Fairlady.) It was a set-up problem :blush: . Sorry, still, the RX-8 is two seconds off. I've built the GD RX-8 Type E RX-8 and Type S RX-8 and still nothing. I'll keep you informed. Upon completing the RX-8 I'll move on to the ST4 class.

m.piedgros
 
Well, the RX-8 could possibly be 'that car in the series' that never wins. Sure, no one would likely want to drive it, but even in real racing every car isn't equal.
 
That's true. I guess I'm just worried that not having the rotary might turn some potential racers off.

So, what do you think guys? Would you want to run Super Taikyu. I have run most of the cars you see discussed above and they are fast and fun. The racing will be tight, as when hot lapping it's hard to get beyond .2 seconds and there is only one case aside from the RX-8 (who I plan to equalize.) It's a Mini that is .7 off but my set-up may be the problem.

m.piedgros

EDIT: RX-8 has been equalized. Knowing that it is a Japanese series I chose the right hand drive RX-8 Economy. Why economy? Because of it's superior torque number (when compared to the Type S, the other RHD RX-8.) It is essentially the same as the car outlined above.

Class 3 (ST3?): RX-8 Type E -- (Series Mods) + Weight Reduction Stage 1, N/A Stage 3, Exhaust and Air Filter: Racing, Port Polish, Engine Balancing, Racing Chip.
 
If you can come up with an RX-7, that would be welcome as it runs in the class in real life. Just hard to come up with something because of weight issues.
 
All that info will take some time to think about, hmm............ok the series
that GN+ is running does sound good and with all tho's cars everone should be
able to find a car to drive. And if you want to stop the FIA GT3 and help GN+
with his series than count me in:tup:. If you need any help just ask and I will
help as much as I can. Also I think I will save my series till everone is done
with their's, than I will start mine so we will always have a race series to race in:).
 
That is a great looking site! I have to go to the gym this morning before I can get to building the RX-7 (for ST3, right?) than I can test the ST4 and 5 cars which I will use as a base for creating new cars. I'll periodically update this post, or create a new post regarding my efforts today. By the way, that is a really professional looking website. For a minute I thought you might have made a mistake and linked us to a real site, then I saw the GT4 pics and realized my error. Have you come up with a schedule for us to run? I could also start working on that today.

m.piedgros

P.S. Thanks for the reply AngelCreator. I think I will shut down the ol' GT3 Championship. I'm a little disapointed however having to do so because in the event that there is more interest garnered it almost feels tarnished now that it has failed. I think, just to confirm, barring any major protest the GT3 Championship is now closed. Remember, it will be pretty easy to get your GT3 cars Taikyu ST1 legal. Otherwise, if you are like myself and InsaneRacer and you would prefer to run something a little more accurate, than you can choose from any of the fantastic, and I mean fantastic ST1-ST3 cars that have been confirmed (*An RX-7 is on the way for ST3*) or wait untill the ST4 and ST5 classes have a little thicker car selection.
 
You can come up with as many cars as you like as far as i'm concerned..though i'd prefer not everyone is running cars not realistic to the series.

I've already got a tentative schedule of six events, but with no dates as of yet.
 
Yeah. I've pretty much gone with a group of cars (with the exception of the Mini) that are actual Taikyu cars. I've got the RX-7 done and I'll post that ASAP.

m.piedgros
 
I have a question about my rgt that I had set up for the older series. It is too light and powerful to run with these secs. Is there a way that the car would be allowed but with a penalty of some sort of ballast?
It seems wierd that I am complaining about fake money but I just see it as a waste to get another new car.
 
omelettes
I have a question about my rgt that I had set up for the older series. It is too light and powerful to run with these secs. Is there a way that the car would be allowed but with a penalty of some sort of ballast?
It seems wierd that I am complaining about fake money but I just see it as a waste to get another new car.
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You are aware you can change out the parts, right?
 
Hey omelettes, thanks for the post. I can work out some sort of a ballast system for the GT3 spec Porsches (RGT's.) Unfortunately I'm headed out right now and I won't be able to get that to you tonight. I guess the same holds true for the RX-7 specs, I fell asleep watching TV woke up to my cell ringing and now I'm headed out with friends. I promise that the RX-7 specs will be up when I wake up tommorow and the penalties for the FIA Porsche will be worked out. @GN+: The website wouldn't let me hit any of the links (Round 1, 2 teams & drivers etc.) Are those links not set yet?

m.piedgros
 
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