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- THE_GUMSLINGER_0
I agree with shark about keeping the combos because it was really just a matter of who got lucky enough to stay I came in late and didn't get to race at all because that's when everything went to crap I know part of that's my fault to but I wanted to race some
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- tezgm99
I respectfully disagree with scrapping the night. Why? Simple, the WC room missed an entire evening the other week due to maintenance being scheduled; something beyond our control just like the connection issues for the other rooms appeared to be last night.
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- QwietStorm03
I agree. I don't think the night should be scrapped. At least half of the racing was completed before the disconnects began. I say we go up to the point where it all fell apart, vote and move on.
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- jobyone71
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- Wolfsatz
When it rains in Nascar... the remaining laps are postponed. I like the idea of at least finishing up the races that were not able to take place; but not totally scrapping the night.
This was not just a few disco's here and there, but it was widespread on all SNAIL lobbys. I think only 1 Division was able to finish Round 3.
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- Devintheninja504
im down to redo the last combo. But if not just apply points to the races that were fully completed
I'm not saying scrap the night. Let the points still count for the season. I'm just saying freeze the combos for this week. If I won the right to choose last week, I would feel cheated although it was no one's fault in snail. If I remember right, snail prides itself on being fair and honest (how's that for a guilt trip
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chuyler1
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- chuyler1
+1. There is only one spot that you can pass someone and still have hopes of staying with the pack of drivers ahead of the person you're trying to pass. So best case scenario you'll make one pass the entire race and place above any drivers who spin out. I don't see a second set of races with this combo resulting in seat of your pants racing.
Compare that to the pack racing we had at Silverstone, GP/F, Brands Hatch, Monza, and even Fuji to some extent. I don't want to login Sunday night and race drivers for half a lap, then spend the rest of the race too far behind the next driver to bother chasing them down, and not worried about the drivers behind me catching up.
We need to get back to combos that have sub 2 minute lap times. It allows drivers to learn the combo and become confident in less time. I mean, a 3 lap race? By the time you've learned your opponent's weak point on the track or a spot you can squeak in a pass, the race is over.
JLBowler
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We will not be finishing up the Sunday night racing on a different night this week. There are reasons for this. One, we have a tight schedule during the week to get everything done that needs to be done. If you only show up and race on Sunday and spend your week practicing, you may not be aware of everything that has to be done during the week. The incident reporting period would have to be backed up which would take time away from the stewards to get their job done, which would back up the prize selection process, which would most likely mean the combos for next week would not be anywhere close to ready for Thursday practice. That doesn't even begin to take into account trying to get everyone back together to run again on a different night.
I am working on an official ruling for what to do about last nights racing. I am waiting on a response from @zer05ive and once we have a chance to discuss it, I will be posting the official decision about last nights racing.
To be clear, the option to finish the races is not on the table for logistical reasons.
If you did not have a chance to vote for your least favorite combo, please do so in the divisional conversation that is already set up.
I am working on an official ruling for what to do about last nights racing. I am waiting on a response from @zer05ive and once we have a chance to discuss it, I will be posting the official decision about last nights racing.
To be clear, the option to finish the races is not on the table for logistical reasons.
If you did not have a chance to vote for your least favorite combo, please do so in the divisional conversation that is already set up.
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- rob1nh000d
In the short time I have been involved, very thankfully, I lost the chance to race two races my first week due to disconnect problems. Last night, however, in D7, we had combo 3, race 1 done before the disconnect, and after about 20 minutes (or thirty) most were back in the room (it had switched to me being host) and most raced the third combo, 2nd race. I definitely feel bad for the one or two that did not get into that last race, I mean REALLY, cause I know how it feels, however, I vote to keep that result; even though I messed up during that race and lost two places.
I think my reason for my feelings on this is that when you work hard during the week practicing, and then you race a race, you really want the race to exist, even as I commiserate with other's -- and my fair share of -- misfortunes that seem to happen in virtual racing just as they do in metal, rubber and asphalt racing.
I think my reason for my feelings on this is that when you work hard during the week practicing, and then you race a race, you really want the race to exist, even as I commiserate with other's -- and my fair share of -- misfortunes that seem to happen in virtual racing just as they do in metal, rubber and asphalt racing.
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- Rallywgn81
Except this isn't the first time. It may have between a little more extensive this Sunday, but every Sunday there are a large number of people that get disco'd and at least one room implodes. I get the sentiment, I do, I've loved GT from day one of GT1. But man, they are killing the series right now. And that makes me sad. I like racing with you guys, and I loved the gt experience. Just to much bad blood right now. I hope they can pull it together and really put some polish on this game. It really allows for so much more diversity than some of the other racing games. I just can't sit here and defend it anymore though. I tell ta, you all and SNAIL deserve credit. Having the patience to keep dealing with this is extraordinary!
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I agree with your sentiments, but when I got disco'd the last race, I think there were only 5 left standing.
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Actually, we did not have combo 3, race 1 complete prior to the disconnects. We were just about to start qualifying when I and several others were disconnected. Once the room stabilized (sorta), we had 8 of 10 who started the night in the room. Then during qualifying, I was disconnected (when I would have been on pole). I came back in the room several times and waited for the second race. Started the second race, had a 5 second lead, then was disconnected again (and @BayouSimDrifter was disconnected right before I was).
Either way, it stinks. I really don't care either what the resolution is, after all we do get to drop the lowest point total for the month (which I was hoping would be last week since I did pretty poorly) - but that's another story.
Where did you come up with 30%? I'd bet it was a higher percent than that.
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Of course, I don't know for sure, but for some reason that I can't put my finger on, I have the feeling that some might have left at that point in the last race, voluntarily. Although, I can't blame them, if so, because the whole fiasco did throw off people's rhythms, however, no matter how bad it gets, there is something 'hard working' about sticking it out in the worst of circumstances. Again, I don't know for sure, but I have a gut instinct (that could be wrong). It seemed like I heard certain comments just before one, or two left -- again, I could have this mixed up.
Again, again, I could be wrong about this as well, but there seems to be two distinct things that basically happened: the supernova, and afterwards, the seemingly lower ability to achieve and/or maintain connectivity. My feeling was that the second part was real, but I also have the feeling that it was partly not real (over blamed). The first was unquestionably due to only PD's end (or Internet Backbone/ISP equipment-cabling per @TEX36) of the two way connectivity relationship. However (here is the part I could have wrong), the second part possibly involved both PD's end and individual's quality of Internet connection.
I might be in a partly unique vantage point to notice this since I just upgraded my connection, but, It seemed that those who had problems in the past with connectivity (like me before I upgraded, and in my short time here I have noticed some other people having a pattern of connection problems), were the ones having more problems in the second part. I am sure no one wants to lose their connection, randomly or purposely, but once the room was up again, I did not lose connection and I did not have problems staying in the room during the last race. Maybe there was a little, well deserved, venting going on during this second part about the second part, but maybe it wasn't all due to the PD's supernova 'at that point' and so it might not be fair to totally want to throw out what went on during the second part. I COULD BE WRONG, IT's only my opinion.💡
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Could be, I just know I was disco'd in the middle. Again, just saying count the points but keep the combos for this weekend.
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- Devintheninja504
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For me, combo 2 was a hassle. I was finally coming to grips with it, in the end, I don't care for it.
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