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Live people are never allowed on an active racing surface, he stepped into Tony's line, and reaction from tony would only result in further car rotation, spiny cars slide in turns, commuting, then controlling a slide, there are few options. And under no circumstances beyond a fire is a driver to leave the vehicle prior to marshals arriving. This gets hammered into you in racing and corner worker school.

I'm deeply sorry for the family but that was just plain stupid on Darwinian proportions. And regardless of any intent racers aren't killers and Tony needs to live with that on his conscience the rest of his life... And others won't soon forget it.

I don't mean to sound callus but I'm a driver and we all know the risks and accept the circumstances, usually they are never this obvious but we all look on each other with a bit of reservation to developing deeper relationships because of knowing how easy and fast things can go south.

Let it be a lesson to other young drivers lest his death be in vein.
 
Like I said, even the highest paid top drivers jump out on the track in anger all the time butthis is the first time I've heard of one getting killed by being run over by the guy who pissed him off in the first place.
 
I'm just going to drop this in here one more time for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Remember that not knowing the rule is not an excuse for breaking the rule. Keep the car on the track.


A reminder for some and new information to others. This earlier post describes the track boundaries at Ascari. Please note that these boundaries are quite different from what the game allows you to do and from what we do at other tracks. This is a unique track that isn't in the business of hosting races so they don't have proper course markings.
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Ascari Race Resort

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The Ascari Race Resort offers an impressive closed circuit where you can enjoy the speed in its purest form, without limits but always with a maximum safety. With 26 corners (13 left hand and 13 right hand corners) and incredible cambers and slopes, the Ascari circuit proud to be the longest track in Spain thanks to its length of 5,425 meters ,with the possibility to divide into three different sections or combinations.

The circuit is built with the highest quality, with a width of 12,2 meters throughout the whole length, the asphalt pavement gives a perfect balance between grip and tire wear as well as being an excellent drainage.

The above was taken from the Ascari Race Resort web page. Being that the track is a private resort and specializes in renting cars to customers or allowing them to drive their own cars on the track, they don't host actual races so the things we are used to seeing in a race track are not always present. The most glaring example would be that there are no proper rumble strips at Ascari. With this in mind, the track boundaries are a little different here. The white line serves as the boundary with the only exceptions coming at the chicanes on the track that have the wide areas of painted concrete. They will be shown in the photos below. The painted mounds at the edge of the track are NOT rumble strips and are NOT part of the track at any place on the track.

Two shots from the first chicane. You may use the painted areas as track but you must not put any part of any tire on the grass.

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Two shots from the second chicane. It's the same as the first. You may use the painted area as track but you must not put a tire on the grass.

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If it looks like this then the white line is the boundary. You must have two tires on or inside the white line.

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noseknows36
Wow I just watched the video of te Tony Stewart/Kevin Ward Jr. video...very disturbing. I really am not 100% sure what to make of it.

It was incredibly reckless for Ward to go out in the middle of track like that but I'm not sure how to fully interpret Stewarts actions. I really would like to think that he simply didn't see him until too late or that he lost control of the car, but seeing as Stewart is a world class driver who has been doing this for many years, I find it a little hard to believe. It's just a very disturbing and sad incident.
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Inmo, the car in front of Tony blocked Tony's view of Ward himself; hence no attempt of immediate change of direction. I'm sure Tony saw the car wreck and knew he could clear the CAR, not a body.

Just a different take.

Edit: I also noted the NASCAR track at Glenn has been remodeled at one of the turns. Looks like the drivers can SEE the entire entry and exit on the outside.
 
For the third picture, talking about being on the white line. Are you saying we can't use that rumble strip? It looks like white painted line, rumble strip, then grass.
 
I haven't seen the Stewart/ward incident video yet but from what I've read, I don't see how you could fault Stewart. The write up I saw said Stewart was behind another car, and that lead car saw Ward hardly in time and veered out of the way, then Stewart must have not realized why the guy ahead veered, and then tried to miss Ward at last second but couldn't avoid impact.

Ward shouldn't be out of his car on the track, period. Unless a video surfaces of Stewart veering at him, then I don't see how one could ever fault him at all.

No matter what happens though, thoughts and prayers to the ward family. Yes it was a mistake to go out on the track, especially in all black, but you shouldn't pay the ultimate price for that kind of mistake. I think every single one of has a temper and we can all fail to think clearly when it comes to the opinion of someone interfering with your life passion. The whole thing is just very very sad all around.

As for Tony's conscience, assuming it was an accident, you just have to let the incident go, just like when Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi hit and killed Marco Simoncelli on track in Malaysian motogp a few years ago. I'll never forget that weekend - same one that Dan Weldon had his fatal accident at Las Vegas.

Let's all hope it's many years before we have to discuss an on track fatality again.
 
The third pic you referenced is same as the first two - NO GRASS/DIRT.

The fourth pic is grass/line, no concrete, that one is normal rules.
 
FloptaStr8
Inmo, the car in front of Tony blocked Tony's view of Ward himself; hence no attempt of immediate change of direction. I'm sure Tony saw the car wreck and knew he could clear the CAR, not a body.

Just a different take.

Edit: I also noted the NASCAR track at Glenn has been remodeled at one of the turns. Looks like the drivers can SEE the entire entry and exit on the outside.
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I think that's a fair analysis. I'm sure it's weighing on his conscience terribly right now
 
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Rockhound18
I haven't seen the Stewart/ward incident video yet but from what I've read, I don't see how you could fault Stewart. The write up I saw said Stewart was behind another car, and that lead car saw Ward hardly in time and veered out of the way, then Stewart must have not realized why the guy ahead veered, and then tried to miss Ward at last second but couldn't avoid impact.

Ward shouldn't be out of his car on the track, period. Unless a video surfaces of Stewart veering at him, then I don't see how one could ever fault him at all.

No matter what happens though, thoughts and prayers to the ward family. Yes it was a mistake to go out on the track, especially in all black, but you shouldn't pay the ultimate price for that kind of mistake. I think every single one of has a temper and we can all fail to think clearly when it comes to the opinion of someone interfering with your life passion. The whole thing is just very very sad all around.

As for Tony's conscience, assuming it was an accident, you just have to let the incident go, just like when Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi hit and killed Marco Simoncelli on track in Malaysian motogp a few years ago. I'll never forget that weekend - same one that Dan Weldon had his fatal accident at Las Vegas.

Let's all hope it's many years before we have to discuss an on track fatality again.
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When I started watching racing, Nomex was a novelty and full head helmets were yet to arrive. Driver fatality was a given (even in SCCA regional racing). It was really a case of When not if. My first race car was a Lotus 51A...the first Lotus FF and one of the very first of that genre ever made. It was a tubular steel web work (space frame) rectangular box with the following contents...driver..engine..transmission and fuel tank (which I rested my back on !) etc. All four corners were tubular steel/aluminum suspension bits with iron uprights. If I hit ANYTHING I was almost certainly going to get hurt. At that time in life I was a Military Aviator and therefore quite used to taking CALCULATED risks. Speed did not even vaguely phase me but, because there was no ejection seat in the car, one needed to exercise due caution or things would become both expensive (if it was your car) and possible traumatic or fatal .You had to be able to compartmentalize your fear/concern factors...pat them on the head and say "not now" and get on with it. Those that could were faster than those who could not.

Now to the point....yes there is one. With modern technology and sheer constant dogged persistence on the part of many drivers (One J. Stewart as in Sir Jackie in particular) the "modern" race machine has evolved into a damn near indestructible capsule, the circuits have been made rather plain vanilla but VERY MUCH safer, and driver fatalities world wide and genre wide have become ALMOST a thing of the past. Case in point there has not been a Formula 1 death since that of Ayrton Senna....somewhat before some of you were born.

HOWEVER....in the "Old Days" there was a disclaimer printed on the back of your ticket that said MOTOR RACING IS DANGEROUS. I do not care how SAFE your car, nor how SAFE your track.... MOTOR RACING IS DANGEROUS.

We have become so inured with the non-danger that the needless death of a driver, which while unintentional, was avoidable on numerous counts, has stunned us.

GOOD.

There is no reset button in the real world.
 
Jrichmond0826
can i join the spec racing devision gamertag is same as my gtnet tag thanks "or is the the wrong section to be posting?"
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DesertPenguin09
For the third picture, talking about being on the white line. Are you saying we can't use that rumble strip? It looks like white painted line, rumble strip, then grass.
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FloptaStr8
As long as you keep 2 tires INSIDE WHITE LINE you're good.
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Handlebar
The third pic you referenced is same as the first two - NO GRASS/DIRT.

The fourth pic is grass/line, no concrete, that one is normal rules.
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Read this again:

Being that the track is a private resort and specializes in renting cars to customers or allowing them to drive their own cars on the track, they don't host actual races so the things we are used to seeing in a race track are not always present. The most glaring example would be that there are no proper rumble strips at Ascari. With this in mind, the track boundaries are a little different here. The white line serves as the boundary with the only exceptions coming at the chicanes on the track that have the wide areas of painted concrete. They will be shown in the photos below. The painted mounds at the edge of the track are NOT rumble strips and are NOT part of the track at any place on the track.

Here is the last picture again with the text that is just in front of it.


If it looks like this then the white line is the boundary. You must have two tires on or inside the white line.

XsGkArN.jpg
 
Nail-27
You had to be able to compartmentalize your fear/concern factors...put them on the head and say "not now" and get on with it. Those that could were faster than those who could not.
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Very true....acknowledging the danger is one thing but letting in manifest in your head is a whole other monster. That alone will make or break your wallet and/or existence.
 
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Nail-27
When I started watching racing, Nomex was a novelty and full head helmets were yet to arrive. Driver fatality was a given (even in SCCA regional racing). It was really a case of When not if. My first race car was a Lotus 51A...the first Lotus FF and one of the very first of that genre ever made. It was a tubular steel web work (space frame) rectangular box with the following contents...driver..engine..transmission and fuel tank (which I rested my back on !) etc. All four corners were tubular steel/aluminum suspension bits with iron uprights. If I hit ANYTHING I was almost certainly going to get hurt. At that time in life I was a Military Aviator and therefore quite used to taking CALCULATED risks. Speed did not even vaguely phase me but, because there was no ejection seat in the car, one needed to exercise due caution or things would become both expensive (if it was your car) and possible traumatic or fatal .You had to be able to compartmentalize your fear/concern factors...pat them on the head and say "not now" and get on with it. Those that could were faster than those who could not.

Now to the point....yes there is one. With modern technology and sheer constant dogged persistence on the part of many drivers (One J. Stewart as in Sir Jackie in particular) the "modern" race machine has evolved into a damn near indestructible capsule, the circuits have been made rather plain vanilla but VERY MUCH safer, and driver fatalities world wide and genre wide have become ALMOST a thing of the past. Case in point there has not been a Formula 1 death since that of Ayrton Senna....somewhat before some of you were born.

HOWEVER....in the "Old Days" there was a disclaimer printed on the back of your ticket that said MOTOR RACING IS DANGEROUS. I do not care how SAFE your car, nor how SAFE your track.... MOTOR RACING IS DANGEROUS.

We have become so inured with the non-danger that the needless death of a driver, which while unintentional, was avoidable on numerous counts, has stunned us.

GOOD.

There is no reset button in the real world.
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I don't think people today can truly appreciate the daredevil mentality you had to have to be successful 20+ yrs ago. Fearless=stupid or just downright brilliant...it was hard to separate the two because you had to have it all to handle the monster power and lack of grip at the same time. No carbon fiber, no traction control, funky electronic devices etc. It was you, a hot engine, some fuel, may-pop tires and a plastic globe on your head (possibly accompanied by a shield held on with snaps, freakin snaps)...surrounded by steel and various items that may break at any time and pierce your body parts without warning.

People growing up today are placed in a safety bubble surrounded by anything and everything to eliminate dangers and lawsuits. Everywhere you go there is a bottle of hand sanitizer attached the wall, god forbid you get a germ on your hand...too dangerous. Ruled and regulated to the finest detail to make sure your person can not be harmed. It is impossible for today's racing youth to comprehend what "looking death in the eye" really meant.

Watch any Moto GP or F1 race from the late 70's until the late 80's. Ridiculously powered vehicles on tires with less grip than what comes on today's road cars. It's mental. Moto GP races featured power slides at over 140mph...bike is leaned over, rear wheel spinning smoke AND the front wheel off the ground. 2 stroke Powerbands so razor thin and abrupt as to be like a light switch between accessing 20hp and 200hp. Same with F1 cars...imagine having 10% power at 10k rpm and at 10,500 you have 100%. In the 80's F1 cars could make over 1400hp and weigh 500kg. With huge turbos on tires no better what you can buy off the shelf today...I mean...

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Before I ask this, if it's not possible no worries.

I have to head out around 11 eastern tonight, so I won't be able to finish the night. Can I potentially spectate D1 until I leave?
 

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