1.04 update - Physics changes - Your impressions?

[VBR]

To me the physics feel a lot worse after the update. After doing well over 700 miles in my KTM on Nurburgring 24 Hour, & knowing the car intimately, I turned a few laps after updating to 1.04. Straight out the box on the first lap I'm 5 seconds faster, even making errors & hitting walls. SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE! Some corners I was a gear up than usual, the gear ratios have not changed, but the car has more grip & is faster. I notice the speed I can carry through the Karousel is several miles per hour higher than per usual. It also feels a lot more tamer, like the physics have been dumbed down somewhat, & it feels like a different car that's much easier to drive.

All I know is this; I didn't feel the same buzz when driving, it felt a bit dull to be honest, & I didn't enjoy it.

 

[YZF]

To me the physics feel a lot worse after the update. After doing well over 700 miles in my KTM on Nurburgring 24 Hour, & knowing the car intimately, I turned a few laps after updating to 1.04. Straight out the box on the first lap I'm 5 seconds faster, even making errors & hitting walls. SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE! Some corners I was a gear up than usual, the gear ratios have not changed, but the car has more grip & is faster. I notice the speed I can carry through the Karousel is several miles per hour higher than per usual. It also feels a lot more tamer, like the physics have been dumbed down somewhat, & it feels like a different car that's much easier to drive.

All I know is this; I didn't feel the same buzz when driving, it felt a bit dull to be honest, & I didn't enjoy it.

TC - off?

 

[VBR]

TC - off?

All my Car Settings were exactly the same as before. The physics have changed.

 

[YZF]

All my Car Settings were exactly the same as before. The physics have changed.

Did you re-check your settings? Maybe some of them where reset?

And the fact that you are comparing laptimes by 'making errors and hitting the walls' says that maybe it's your driving not physics... Also don't test laptimes on Nurburgring.

Next time test on a more simple track. Nurburgring is very long and very tricky to master consistency.

 

[VBR]

Did you re-check your settings? Maybe some of them where reset?

And the fact that you are comparing laptimes by 'making errors and hitting the walls' says that maybe it's your driving not physics... Also don't test laptimes on Nurburgring.

Next time test on a more simple track. Nurburgring is very long and very tricky to master consistency.

I've already said that my settings were the same, of course I checked them! I was FASTER after making mistakes, not slower. THE PHYSICS HAVE CHANGED! I can drive the ring with a lot of consistency, that's mainly all I've been doing in GT games since GT4.

 

[riverfiver]

Dude, for sure they are worse... they cause the tires to lock.
That's why ABS is superior, it distributes correctly the braking to the wheels avoiding tire lock. That's why ABS exists.
Try to push hard the brakes of a car with no ABS at 150km/h, you will be lucky if you survive.

I tried this with my renault 4 on a highway that I had years a go
(going from work every day)
I was braking hard very hard and the brakes were locking but not fully locking to scary with that car in high speeds to fully lock the brakes
car was going 50cm left and right
Crazy ****

 

[NixxxoN]

I can drive the ring with a lot of consistency

Probably thats what you think... very very hard to lap the ring quickly and consistently all the time without mistakes.
And yea I agree its the worst track to compare times because any tiny mistake that you barely notice on the ring, and your lap time is increased by 1 or 2 seconds.

 

[Greycap]

SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE! Some corners I was a gear up than usual, the gear ratios have not changed, but the car has more grip & is faster. I notice the speed I can carry through the Karousel is several miles per hour higher than per usual. It also feels a lot more tamer, like the physics have been dumbed down somewhat, & it feels like a different car that's much easier to drive.

The physics may have changed, I don't doubt that. My own tests show zero time difference and very little handling differences though but it may depend on the car and the track. But the big question is, have you considered the possibility that it was wrong before and 1.04 made it what it should have been right from the beginning? Probably not, better to assume that every change is for the worse no matter what...

 

[amar212]

I am driving stock cars only and I do not find grounds to talk about changed physics.

However, I noticed different, more sensitive behavior of the suspension, which I find good. Also, lateral grip of the tires have been slightly increased which removed some of the low grip understeer while cornering.

Those probably influences perception of physics, but it is mechanical characteristics more-less. Also, it could lead to a different perception of vehicle behavior for those that have "tuned" vehicles, especially those with altered suspension values (low offsets, high bound/rebound, strong sway) that could probably lead to serious change of feel. However, it is not physics, it is their tuning IMO

IMO, both updates are good. Suspensions are more lively, especially in rebound phase while lateral grip has more "flex torsion". My subjective opinion.

 

[BWX]

Dude, for sure they are worse... they cause the tires to lock.
That's why ABS is superior, it distributes correctly the braking to the wheels avoiding tire lock. That's why ABS exists.
Try to push hard the brakes of a car with no ABS at 150km/h, you will be lucky if you survive.

I had an almost brand new P.O.S. Hyundai Excel hatchback when I was a kid out of high school.
Biggest piece a crap I ever owned..
http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/excel/1990/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Excel




It had what I called "bicycle tires" on it. 175/70 R 13

One time I got it going full speed (about 92 MPH), and slammed on the brakes to see what would happen. It just locked both front wheels at full speed and went in a straight line painting huge "11's" down the dry road.

I could do it at will all the time. Scared the crap out of my g/f at the time.

I think it has a lot to do with how much grip the tires have, or how wide they are, in relation to the weight of the car, and the power of the front brakes in relation to the rear brakes..

Before ABS, TCS, etc., we learned how to actually drive a car. You won't instantly die if you slam on the brakes at full speed in a non-ABS car, if you know how to drive.

 

[SillyBillyP]

... P.O.S. Hyundai Excel hatchback ...

Whaddya mean "POS Hyundai Excel hatchback"? My Hyundai Excel hatchback is my pride and joy! Been making the repayments on that for five years now. OMG if anything ever happened to that car, I don't know what I'd do! Uh, just kiddin'

 

[OdeFinn]

I understand, that's what I'm talking about, I have been saying "pushing hard the brakes", I mean "fully pressing the brakes". Maybe a misunderstanding because my english is bad.
I mean brakes should be like this: *YT*

ABS Braking on Blonde driver is much better/quicker/safer.
Without ABS on good/race driver is making braking shorter, faster and more accurate than ABS.

That type of videos are good for "blondes", showing something, something what is not on ABS purpose.
ABS makes car driveable during braking when there is "blonde" driver, who just sits on brakes yells and honks horn.

Winter here in Finland shows easily who knows how to brake and who not, if you rely stopping on ABS you'll visit outside of road or check trunk of car on your front.

ABS is for heavy footed drivers.

 

[VBR]

Probably thats what you think... very very hard to lap the ring quickly and consistently all the time without mistakes.
And yea I agree its the worst track to compare times because any tiny mistake that you barely notice on the ring, and your lap time is increased by 1 or 2 seconds.

No, it's not what I think, it's what I done. I did 2 laps in the KTM after the 1.04 update & both of them were within 1 second of each other. Same story before the update. Just because some folk are inconsistent on The Ring shouldn't be a reason to assume everyone else is. Like I said, even with a few tiny errors I was 5 seconds faster after the update. My absolute best time before it without those kinds of errors was 5 seconds slower. The car is obviously faster as some corners I was a gear up than per usual.

But hey, don't read my posts thoroughly, or test it for yourself. Just carry on making knee jerk reaction comments, as it's very helpful.

 

[OdeFinn]

@VBR, I described that "dull" as "Spongebob" feeling, it is like swiping on street with sponge, soapbox with some friction...
Are they playing with gravity, mass, grip or what?

My GT6 is on hibernation, waking up only after new update, but will go back to sleep if any major bugs are still there.. Want to wait over this Bugs Mating Season, they are seeding too fast.

 

[BLACK86]

175/70 R 13

Thats a important point, my 86s eagles were 195/60/r14 which were on the car when i did the test, stock dunlop tyre size was 185/60/r14....i decided to switch to 195 as the 185's were rare therefore very expensive. also to clear any confusion because i dont think i was clear earlier when i did the test the car had non stock pads and tyres, suspension was stock.

Also thinking about it when the wheels locked my speedo needle was@70 maybe a touch under but because the car was rapidly decelerating i think the speedo would be showing a incorrect speed at that moment so really its highly possible that the car actually locked up below 60mph

 

[mirial]

And no ABS is probably a lot faster in the wet as well.

When you don't use ABS, the difference is like removing the stabilisers from your bicycle. At the same time, PD / Logitech haven't exactly made it an easy invitation to not use ABS because there just aren't any pressure sensitive pedals readily available.

Update 1.04 has mended the brake balance issue at least.

 

[Johnnypenso]

But one thing I do know is a lot of people are ignorant to tuning and physics on gtplanet. They feel a difference which could be from several things and automatically jump to conclusions without testing first.

 

[Astro_BS-AS]

Hi everyone. I, for myself, like a LOT the subtle new changes.

To test I use STOCK cars. Only lesser tires sometimes just to check, and the brake balance to 0/0 or 1/0, depending on the car. And no aids at all. No changes in suspension whatsoever, because that could change your perception of the car.

Now you can drive w/o ABS with a lot more feel of the tires. And now locking them a little doesn´t change your car for a bobsled instantaneously. (btw, withouth ABS has always been a change in the way cars behave... it´s like a hidden mini-ESP...).

I think that the weight transfer has been tone down a little. That, and the better suspension work that amar212 mentions makes the car feel much more natural.

I´m using a DFGT, btw. I´d like a little more FF from the wheel, but apart from that, it´s a great patch.

Quite great in fact.

 

[BWX]

ABS Braking on Blonde driver is much better/quicker/safer.
Without ABS on good/race driver is making braking shorter, faster and more accurate than ABS.

That type of videos are good for "blondes", showing something, something what is not on ABS purpose.
ABS makes car driveable during braking when there is "blonde" driver, who just sits on brakes yells and honks horn.

Winter here in Finland shows easily who knows how to brake and who not, if you rely stopping on ABS you'll visit outside of road or check trunk of car on your front.

ABS is for heavy footed drivers.

...

 

[Johnnypenso]

So, I have semi- blond colored hair.

Delete your post or edit out the offensive, bigoted, borderline racist language..

Seriously?

 

[BWX]

Seriously?

Seriously.

If I described someone with "dark skin" using that term the same as "stupid".. would that be racist or offensive or against AUP?

Yes.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Seriously.

Sad then, very sad.

 

[BWX]

Sad then, very sad.

Sad is that someone can use a person's color to call them stupid.

Ask Jordan, the owner of this website if he thinks that is "ok"..
I would guess not.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Sad is that someone can use a person's color to call them stupid.

Ask Jordan, the owner of this website if he thinks that is "ok"..
I would guess not.

It's not a person's colour, it's the colour of their hair, which is why it's sad.

 

[Razgriz_2142]

So, I have semi- blond colored hair.

Delete your post or edit out the offensive, bigoted, borderline racist language..

such a minor thing to be riled by, in the contet of what was said by the post you quoted it means more or less blonde seems to be a term for inexperienced drivers it might stem from a mistranslation or expressing the term in his native language since he's Finnish.Not exactly rocket science to have a scan and understand the context of his post.


I honestly dont see how what he said was even slightly bigoted or racist and remarks like yours me think people are far too PC and take offence to anything nowadays no matter how silly they are.

Anyhow on topic yesthe they have changed the physics, i've found certain cars more grippy, although th penalty for going off the track in terms of slwoing down seem unrealisitc they do add a sense of keep to the track or your toast

 

[VBR]

Gran Turismo Planet - The Real Arguing Simulator!

 

[Super1600]

So BWX, you are raising this fest just because some comment on blonde drivers?
Is it worth :censored:ing up the whole thread just because you're slightly offended? I think not.

 

[Swagger897]

It's not a person's colour, it's the colour of their hair, which is why it's sad.

So you share the same ideology as Hitler then?

But anyways, the ABS feature for me is sad. A car should have the shakes before hitting full lock if it has ABS, not just slowing the wheels to the eventual lock...

 

[BWX]

such a minor thing to be riled by, in the contet of what was said by the post you quoted it means more or less blonde seems to be a term for inexperienced drivers it might stem from a mistranslation or expressing the term in his native language since he's Finnish.Not exactly rocket science to have a scan and understand the context of his post.


I honestly dont see how what he said was even slightly bigoted or racist and remarks like yours me think people are far too PC and take offence to anything nowadays no matter how silly they are.

Anyhow on topic yesthe they have changed the physics, i've found certain cars more grippy, although th penalty for going off the track in terms of slwoing down seem unrealisitc they do add a sense of keep to the track or your toast

Let anyone talk about "dark curly hair" meaning someone is stupid and see how that goes over.

It's complete BS that I should have to tell someone to not say that kind of crap on a public forum.

It's even more BS that I have to defend telling someone not to say that kind of crap.

I told him to delete it, not necessarily for me, for everyone that finds it offensive, but doesn't necessarily have courage to confront the bigoted/ insulting remarks.

So BWX, you are raising this fest just because some comment on blonde drivers?
Is it worth :censored:ing up the whole thread just because you're slightly offended? I think not.

I'll stand up to bigoted, insulting remarks no matter who says them or no matter who finds it inconvenient. -and I don't really care what anyone thinks about it, and I don't care if someone starts insulting, black, white, brown, or any other race or creed, or ethnicity. I stand up to all the haters.

A mod can come in here and delete the offending post, and all my posts complaining about it for future viewers of this thread.

edit
And I do it in real life.

 

[starknight97]

@Terronium-12 or some other mod get this back on topic plz? delete this post when you respond.