1x controller down and about to give up!

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So I take it you don't need much help? :)

Oh well I'll add you anyway, get some online drift tandoms going.


Haven't seen a request as yet. Will add you very shortly. I think that from now on I will do most of my practice in my lounge so come on in, will be glad to have others on track.

Oh! And I might just have a matte paint for you :)👍
 
Hey Guys.

I find this thread most helpful, and there are some great tips from those that are in the know so to speak.

If i was to be so bold as to ask a question on drifting matters it would be this. What driver aids set ups are you guys using? I'm running straight out of the box default settings!! What can i change to better my chances of doing a good drift.

Many thanks
HRF
 
I use;

All driver aids off except ABS is set to 1. Use manual transmission. Use comfort hard tires.
Tune: comfort hard tires, LSD, Full Suspension, some power.

Set the LSD to 10/60/60 and lower the suspension a bit to make it look better.
I cant help you with the suspension settings but commonly they set them to soft in the front and stiff in the rear; but that could just as well be the other way round...

Hope that helps to get you started.

Tip for starter car: Mazda RX-7 fd '02 (premium)
 
I use;

All driver aids off except ABS is set to 1. Use manual transmission. Use comfort hard tires.
Tune: comfort hard tires, LSD, Full Suspension, some power.

Set the LSD to 10/60/60 and lower the suspension a bit to make it look better.
I cant help you with the suspension settings but commonly they set them to soft in the front and stiff in the rear; but that could just as well be the other way round...

Hope that helps to get you started.

Tip for starter car: Mazda RX-7 fd '02 (premium)

Thanks ZSP 👍 i shall try this out, and with a little luck get more than the wife sideways tonight 💡
 
Thanks ZSP 👍 i shall try this out, and with a little luck get more than the wife sideways tonight 💡

This is the first thing I do to potential drift cars.

LSD: Default - never seen a difference
Suspension:
Camber 1.5/0 F/R
Ride Height: Lowest
Spring Rate: Since they are comfort hards, not too high of a setting, if 15 is max, take front to 9.5-10.5 and rear 1.5 above front.

We want the back to be stiffer (lol) than the front, with the stiffer back it will not rock when you e-brake or are in the slide. Softer front for steering.
 
Would that (having the front stiffer then the back) be causing all that understeer when i make (too) abrubt corrections during a drift? Cause i have that alot..
 
Hey Guys.

I find this thread most helpful, and there are some great tips from those that are in the know so to speak.

If i was to be so bold as to ask a question on drifting matters it would be this. What driver aids set ups are you guys using? I'm running straight out of the box default settings!! What can i change to better my chances of doing a good drift.

Many thanks
HRF


Welcome aboard 👍

Glad that, born out of my sheer incompetence (and temper tantrum :ouch:) was a thread that has helped me no end and will continue to help others. until the tread drops from the front page and gets lost among all the other dead threads

I now have a good handle on what my cars should feel like and what I need to do to counter, or go with to drift.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still rubbish but this once lost lamb is now on the way back to the flock, with all credit going to others here. Guys I am grateful:tup:
 
JVB
Haven't seen a request as yet. Will add you very shortly. I think that from now on I will do most of my practice in my lounge so come on in, will be glad to have others on track.

Oh! And I might just have a matte paint for you :)👍


You know I added 'you' right after replying to you a few days ago and thought it strange that you didn't respond to my request.
Then to my surprise I find a request from you (spelling your user name correctly) lol. Hope you like your matte green!:yuck:

Still not seen you online to get some track time but I'm sure it'll happen soon.👍


Thought I'd add a comment that I made about the rarer paint items:

While on track with a few others I broke the silence by saying " ere, what is it with these paint chips? Are they like a GT enthusiasts crystal meth?" to which everyone listening had a good laugh.
 
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Athleast you're getting it now :) always welcome in my servers :)

I know I've said it to you directly but here's a public thanks to jimy28blahblah lol, dude, you have been a big help with little bits of advice that made the puzzle start to fit together. Diamond 👍
 
I sent a request, maybe I spelt it wrong? lol

No no, I sent you a request FIRST and I got your user wrong. Then you've added me correctly while I've been waiting for you to accept my invite.

Sorry if I did not make that clear in my first reply to you.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, just your post so I might be a little bit off here, but I think I can contribute something of value here.

NOTE: I'm swedish so mind my grammar.


Everyone who started driving games when GT5 released had the dream of becoming Dorikin aka Drift king, and I can see why: The smoke is awesome and it's not standard racing etc. Personally I like drifting and have not been much for the racing scene until I really got the hang of drifting full laps on Forza and GT5. You have no idea how much racing experience it takes do make a full corner drift, all of you who have the experience will agree, you who have not will call me a dumbass and frankly I don't give a damn 'bout your 12 year old asses.


My point here is; there is not a single man in the world who succeeded drifting without racing, because if you look closely on every competitor, they all have a record of grip racing before they started drifting.

TOO LONG DIDN'T READ: You gotta learn how to handle a car with traction in order to handle it without. Put on comforts on a stock typical JDM car and break the 1 minute mark on Tsukuba, after a month or so practicing you should have gained ALOT of experience in drifting without even doing it.

Give me a reply which will make no sense at all so I can laugh at ignorant people who does not know what they are talking about. Happy drifting and I love y'all.
 
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Thank you for this. At least now. I know Im not the only one that has had a rough time learning to drift. I have a hard time getting gold on the drift trials. My goal is to at least be able to get gold for every drift trial within the first 5-6 tries. At least now I can get bronze in the first few tries. =)

I find this awkward and kinda confusing.

Remember this: Stiff front, soft rear for the suspension but not too stiff or too soft (play around until you feel it's right for you). Negative camber at the front is important aswell as the rear.. my Silvia has 5.0 camber front and 4.2 at the rear.

And then…. I read….

We want the back to be stiffer (lol) than the front, with the stiffer back it will not rock when you e-brake or are in the slide. Softer front for steering.

I dunno I’ve tried both and I still suck :P What gives? And is this Ferooz guy that is always #1 on GTPlanet?

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead….but honestly it helped me get better….NOT GREAT by any means. and lets hope my links to the quotes work.

Thanks.
 
This might get a bit long...

First off, the drift trials. The most important aspect of getting a high scoring drift is your line. The closer to the racing line you are, the more points you receive. And not just at the apex of the corner, but throughout the entirety of the drift sector (ie yellow markers to red markers).

The next most important part is your speed, and tied in with this, the amount of wheelspin. More speed equals more points, and same with with wheelspin. It should come as no surprise then that it's easier to get high scores with more powerful cars.

Just for doing the drift trials, I would recommend using either a Corvette (ZR-1 is a great drift trial car), or one of the Vipers. Tune it to the max, then restrict the power to somewhere between 600-700 hp. If you are just starting out, I would suggest using CM or CS tires. Once you start getting the hang of things, switch to CH.

Now, I guess I should say that you should read that above paragraph with caution. If your goal is just to be able to gold the drift trials (nothing wrong with that, who wouldn't want to, it's easy credits), then follow that advice. However, if you want to learn how to drift for the sake of drifting, with hopes of one day becoming the online drift king, I would suggest taking a different route. Basically I would suggest finding a relatively light weight (1000-1250ish kg) car, with about 300-500 hp and using CH tires right from the start. And practice practice practice, it won't come over night. A guy could write a whole book on how to learn how to drift, so I won't really go into it here. There is nearly endless info scattered throughout the drift forum, just takes a little searching, and don't hesitate to ask as many questions as you want. Most people around here are always willing to help. Just keep a positive attitude :)



In regards to the suspension. Both are true...confusing, right? The thing is, there is no "magic setup" that will make you drift. It depends on several variables, namely the car, the weight balance of that car, the power output of that car, and also the drifter him/herself. I have certain cars (like my Tom's Chaser, thanks to Gunz for that one :D), where the rear is softer than the front. I have other cars (like my RX-8) where the rear is stiffer than the front.

The main thing to understand is that a softer the rear end is, the more grip it will have. In my experience, lower powered cars tend to work better with a slightly stiffer rear end, and higher powered cars work better with a softer rear end.

Also, I disagree with Heath_1's camber settings. With a proper setup, you shouldn't really need more than 3.0 in the front, and 1.0 in the rear.

Anyways, hope that helps. Welcome to :gtplanet:, and happy drifting 👍
 
Yep, I struggled for weeks until I decided to cut my hp down to 300ish and I finally got the hang of things. Then I recently learned how to tune a drift car the proper way and my progress skyrocketed. I went from barely being able to link corners to doing reverse entries at 120mph. The best way to learn is low power, light weight, and a lot of patience. You need to literally research what drifting is and how it's done. I started off with slowing down, then just flooring it, which always resulted in spinning. Once I understood that steering and brake modulation were just as if not even more important that throttle, that was the first big step in drifting. I'm still not even to pull potential as I'm yet to try anything with more than 420hp but research, understanding, and practice are the keys. Hopefully this helps someone out even though this thread is well over a year old.
 
JVB
Hello to all.

Going to make this short but will add more later due to it being stupid o'clock in the morning and I really should be in the land on nodd.

I am on day 5 of doing little else but spinning cars off the track while attempting to pull off some kind of drift.

Day 2 was a dark day in my gaming life as I got that mad the red mist descended and I lost it and smashed a controller. For that I am ashamed but I am still dead set on becoming a virtual drift king.

Over the last few days I have collected and modified about 8/9 different cars and messed with tunes countless times and every car/ every track I have the same end result = fail.

It would seem that it is very easy to tune a car to slide regardless of what power the car is but 5 days of front end gripping and stuffing the nose into the apex of the corner your trying to drift through, or having the back end overtaking the front causing you to lose all points built up through the last corner(s) and come to a painfully slow halt in the middle of the track is really starting to get to me.

The past 2 nights have been spent trying to get my head around the settings of the car, what ever that car may be but I feel that I'm getting more and more frustrated by making major adjustments (eg. Start with STD suspension settings that are given when you upgrade to coil overs and then set LSD right down as low as it'll go on all 3, take 2 grip test laps, back to LSD settings and max one of them, 2 grip laps back in again, max another, so on and so on.
Yes the car does act differently as peramiters are changed but the results are always the same = unstable and unable to progress with my drifting quest.

While I think about it,,,,,,,,, Anyone know if you can turn off the booing from the spectators when you mess up? That in it's self is soul destroying enough for me to think about giving up and go play black ops again. what were the makers thinking? "let's get the players to Learn a skill and demoralise them each and every time they make a mistake by booing them! That'll keep them interested for sure!"
Right, that's it for the minute but I will make an effort to wright up in better detail what I've got and how I've got to where I an now.

So much for keeping it short!


Hey,I can coach you if you want,but i can't coach off right away since i need to build my cars from ground up...again
 
I was fortunate enough to get the drifting bug when the psn was down. so i spent alot of time going round tsukba over and over and over again in and s2000. then an f40 for god know what reason. But it is simply practice, im one of those that uses the handbrake to start the drifts etc. Some people hate handbrakers, i look at it like this if its good enough for BDC drivers and D1 then its a good enough method for me. I truely belive that all the set ups do make a difference, ive seen the 10/60/60 diff set up quoted and used many times. Personally i couldnt get along with it and even now i still mess with diff, suspension, camber, toe and power. but dont give up and youll find it simple drops into place one day
 
coming from forza ive had the whole drifting with a wheel learning experience before.

so really it wasn't as hard for me to get used to my wheel on gt5.

the one thing i can say though.. since making my handbrake. ive been drifting 10 times better. when your learning though you dont want to be to be changing cars every 5 minute! pick a car you like and stick with it.

but yeah after making this.. drifting got 10 times easier.. and like 1000000000 times more fun!

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JVB
Well well!

Just logged back in, half expecting a handful of middle finger comments from members that can, but................

No! All very helpful. A general thank you to all that have contributed to this thread so far.

My intention for this thread is to form something like a diary, no, sorry, thats a little 'old school' It will become my blog ( yeah I'm up to date with the lingo )

Right now as I write this, time is an issue. I will however give all that can be bothered better insight to the cars and tracks and settings that are currently in use ( although the settings don't really hold much weight because they are being altered frequently while I try and form some sort of understanding of what the changes do to the driftableness of the car )

I intend on uploading a few photos of my self dubbed "controller killers" for you to enjoy aswell but this post is being entered via my iPad so for the minute it's not possible.

I'll take a minute to respond directly to some of the replies.

JVB
👍 This is very good of you. Thank you very much for a direct offer to help, I will take you up on that and promise to return anything you feel happy to send me.

I will have to look at the time difference between us to see if it's possible to join you for an online lesson one day soon.:nervous:

JVB
I kneel before you Sensei.

Do you have any posted videos? Love watching those who can although it reminds me of just how far I have to go

Edit: just seen your banner/ tag lines, I'll just go sit in the corner and perfect my wax on, wax off

JVB
I do use GT mode practice all the time, drift within practice still boo's you but chances are you know that and what you mean is to go into time attack ( think that's what it's called without switching on to see ) so that way it's not looking for the drift criteria = no booing

This will also cloud my 'progress' or lack of, by not scoring the drift or showing when I over cook the drift by scraping my points for that corner.

Some people are never happy are they?!?!? LOL.

JVB
Might of been the time in the morning, but the coaching request was not from me ( sorry for pointing this out if you knew that already and I'm the one getting my wires crossed )

It will take a lot to push me back to black ops but I'm not far from it. Not going to enter into a long winded rant about the game as it's not the place to do it but the lag I get playing online is beyond belief. I see target I start to squeeze aim and I'm a gonner. View kill cam and the guy has ran past an opening, seen me in peripheral vision and turned round,aimed and started shooting off to one side of me and centred sights on me while firing in order to drop me. And all of this happened in an impossibly small amount of time as far as my game goes.
I'm far from the best but I can tell the difference between my game play not being good enough and there being other forces affecting the game result .

JVB
Being stupid, where do I find the RX-7? Is it one that's got graphics all over it?
I have 3, an old old one 1980's type, an all out race one in mainly yellow with a race body and lastly a blue one with graphics all over it but in it's standard body form

You know, I think this is one of the main problems I face. I'm finding it nigh on impossible to hold a throttle position, I do however feather the throttle as best I can but it is a full range feather, nothing to full once or twice, maybe even 3 times before slide out in limbo or spin if I was slow enough entering the corner in the first place

JVB
Don't have a Z4 but I did pick up am M coupe?or is it an M roadster? Think that's what it was named. A real life rare model that was based on a z3 but it's got a fixed roof and an estate looking rear.

I suppose it's going to be a totally different beast though

Woahhh, hexa double post 0.o
 
I suggest for you not to buy a wheel for drifting. If the booing in the game really upsets you while learning to drift with a controller, learning with a wheel might kill you... just saying.
 
never go into a corner, go through it. In order to be a drift king you must understand drifting better then all others, it is about fun not guidelines so in realistic spot you will drift any way you want. Dont let people tell you what drifting is it is what you see it as.

I go through a corner at whatever speed i like, my idea of drifting is pushing a car past it's limit.
 
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