2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse Ralliart Concept [56k Warning]
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- a6m5zero
I don't know if your post was in response to mine, but it sounds a lot like Wolfe's post. Again, I was never talking about driving on ice. In Portland, Oregon area, it rains most of the year. What I said was, I see many RWD sports cars lose control trying to race on a wet pavement. I see AWD Subarus and Mitsubishis(Eclipse/Talons mostly) spank others all the time. Most of the time, they launch and corner like they are on a dry pavement. I am not trying to put down rear wheel drive cars, or its' ability to drive on ice. I don't even drive on ice and really rarely on snow, so I couldn't even begin to criticize anything.Onikaze
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Not true. Its more like every 3rd block, and I could see it getting 5mpg.Driftster
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All joking aside, I get plenty of mileage between oil changes. But, even when driven like gramps, I MIGHT get 10mpg. Thats if I'm lucky. There is no denying it, the 4G63 is a thirsty engine, especially when there is lots of boost, like my car (560hp, 28psi). Even with MIVEC, and all the electronic trickery you have, it just isn't going to sip. It takes large gulps. I could see this thing getting about 15-18 in the city. But, once you get over about 400hp, the mileage drops like a stone.
Hilg
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Tires tires tires. Traction is all about the tires, not the drive configuration. Yes, if there is LOTS of power, having AWD can help split that power up and get it down better. But, with the right tires, any car can handle well, rain or shine. Hell, I've gotten sideways big time in my Talon before. Slightly worn Kumho MXs and even with AWD, it was slippery. Same thing with FWD or RWD cars at the dragstrip with slicks. Good tires for the situation, and you'll grip.a6m5
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a6m5
Simple Answer: Those drivers suck, and should have their keys taken from them.
The only time a good driver has an excuse on wet roads is when the rain first hits and the oil on the road slicks up, and for a few minutes it's slicker than ice.
After they've gotten soaked, it's just a matter of knowing what you're doing.
My first RWD car was a '91 Mercury Grand Marquis, and it was January, in Louisville, with inches of ice EVERYWHERE, and the only time I ever hit so much as a curb was when I was fooling around and tried to slide out of a parking lot, through a gap in a median, and line up at a stoplight, and just bumped the curb from sliding a little too far.
I got in, knowing it didn't have winter tires on it, and was almost worried that it might be hard to drive, but that evaporated when I realised I still had control, I just had to be smooth.
Same with rain, driving my 2000 Crown Victoria PI Cab, I loved rainy days because I could bust J-Turns without worrying about frying the tires.
FWD is better for the average driver who doesn't know what they are doing, anyone with a little knowledge, awareness, and dare I say, skill, is better suited with another drivetrain layout.
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I agree tires are important, but I think AWD helps cornering as well(again, on wet pavement). If AWD isn't helping the footing on tight, wet corners, then maybe those WRXes are just great cornering cars, because they are able to stay in their lanes. My FWD car will literally starts sliding out of the lane, while my buddy's Impreza RS with same Z-Rated Dunlop tires(actually mine's got less miles) are able to pull away from me. I also have seen many Mustangs, Supras, etc. fishtailing in the rain. Again, I'd agree the tires are important, but AWD is a huge advantage to most drivers in the rain.JNasty4G63
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I do see what you are saying, but nobody's perfect. I know I'm no race car driver, but I'd like to think I'm a fairly decent driver. I can say I'm definitely able to driver fast, safely. But to say average drivers suck and should have their keys taken away, I think is bit extreme. IMO, even the experienced drivers are not perfect. Once in a while, they'll misjudge or make a mistake. I rarely see (fully)capable drivers on the road.Onikaze
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Well, it's the prize car for the Tsukuba 9-hour endurance race...I'm not sure if there's another way to get it...
This was the car that earned the nickname "Godzilla," for its sheer dominance in Group A racing.
@a6m5: Yeah, I thought you were talking about ordinary driving...such complaints are common, and are misinformed. Didn't realize you were talking about street racers. Sorry if my post sounded mean-spirited, I didn't really intend that.
Anyway, my point is that the advantages and disadvantages of FWD and RWD are multiplied when rain or snow is involved. FWD is more stable, but stability's no good if you're understeering towards a tree. RWD provides more control, but control is no good if you don't know how to use it.
While it's true that most people don't really know how to control RWD, ordinary people know what oversteer and spinning out are. They've seen it in movies, they've been taught about it in driving school, and so on. However, most people do not know what understeer is. (imagine them asking themselves, "Hey! Why isn't my car turning?!") And we all know which drivetrain is more susceptible to understeer.
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Not at all. I already know that JNasty is a nice guy, and seems like you and Onikaze are pleasant people to talk to as well. I do appreciate the input. 👍Wolfe2x7@a6m5: Yeah, I thought you were talking about ordinary driving...such complaints are common, and are misinformed. Didn't realize you were talking about street racers. Sorry if my post sounded mean-spirited, I didn't really intend that.
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Thanks man. At least a few people on here know that. I can't seem to get a certain OTHER person to understand that. But, oh well. Thanks man.a6m5
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I thought I told you to never mention that in public. DAMN YOU!!!!Driftster
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