2016 Le Mans 24 Hours - 15th to 19th June 2016

[karl53]

Well, that would have been great if it was the 23:56 of Le Mans, but it's a 24 hour race and they failed to make it to the end.

Cars don't just break out of the blue, decided by some dice roll or random number generator like in a game. The car broke due to faulty engineering or drivers going past the limits of what the car could take. This is simply something Toyota must improve, and come back next year wiser, stronger and hopefully competitive for the full 24 hours.

I completely understand and agree, the car broke, it was Toyota's mistake and it lost them the race.
But to say they didn't have what it takes just makes it seem like they never had a chance, at least in my opinion.

Audi didn't have what it takes, and they never really had a chance, hence why they finished 10(?)+ laps back, but Toyota had the race in the bag with 10 minutes to go. They had 90% of what it takes if makes you happier .

 

[IforceV8]

Yeah they don't post it till it's been declared.

I was digging around in the sporting regs but I could not find anything about the "7%" rule that was mentioned. Do you remember seeing that rule?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/gte-pro-race-winning-ford-gt-penalized-post-race/

This was the article provided in this thread about the penalties.

I like how you deleted the part that says joint protest

Additionally, Ferrari has issued a joint protest against Ford post-race, alleging that the American manufacturer’s Ford GTs violated the ACO’s performance
window between the LMP2 and GTE-Pro classes.

I was digging around in the sporting regs but I could not find anything about the "7%" rule that was mentioned. Do you remember seeing that rule?

I'll try and dig it out.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Wow, came here to catch up on things after being away and missing the race completely, and I have to say... stay classy GTP.

 

[FordGTGuy]

I like how you deleted the part that says joint protest

I'll try and dig it out.

I didn't delete anything, what you quoted is literally not in the article(that I quoted) I linked and what was linked about the penalties in the thread earlier and where my knowledge of the penalties came from.

Go to the page, Ctrl+F and type "joint" and tell me if you get any results.

 

[lxmmy]

Wow, came here to catch up on things after being away and missing the race completely, and I have to say... stay classy GTP.

I thought you would be glued to this. You missed a great one with full of drama.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I thought you would be glued to this. You missed a great one with full of drama.

Had a weekend of walking in the Lake District with friends. Would love to have watched the race, but outside of hoping Priaulx would be in a class winning car, I wasn't too invested in it. Looking forward to catching it on YouTube!

 

[trustjab]

I dont get people tryin to diminish competitors like Toyota. And I wont even touch the Ford vs Ferrari bs.

I mean, saying things like Toyota didnt have what it takes and trying to play down their competitiveness is off-putting imo. Every team gives it their all to win. No reason to say such and such didn't deserve it or they aren't worthy if they lost. Toyota had no reliability issues on the #6, just like the #2 Porsche. The #5 went the whole race and had a problem on the very last lap. Where's the critics on the #1? How about the critics of Audi? Why even get hung up on it at all?

It was a great race and Toyota proved superior until the very very end. Then Porsche picked up where they faltered.

This is an amazing feat for Toyota. To pick up from last year being nowhere and accelerating the 2017 project by a year is already demanding. To be as fast, actually FASTER (on one lap and a stint) than the Porsche 919 a whole year early is awesome. Hell yeah the result is hugely disappointing, gut-wrenching! But looking at the bigger picture, Toyota proved all the critics wrong.

Almost no media outlet thought they'd compete with Porsche nor Audi on merit. They did just that with what could be called a 'rushed' car. Just imagine what further refining and running will do for the TS050. There's always a positive to take away. Bring on Nurburgring and next year's Le Mans. Toyota wants a rematch!

 

[FordGTGuy]

I dont get people tryin to diminish competitors like Toyota. And I wont even touch the Ford vs Ferrari bs.

I mean, saying things like Toyota didnt have what it takes and trying to play down their competitiveness is off-putting imo. Every team gives it their all to win. No reason to say such and such didn't deserve it or they aren't worthy if they lost. Toyota had no reliability issues on the #6, just like the #2 Porsche. The #5 went the whole race and had a problem on the very last lap. Where's the critics on the #1? How about the critics of Audi? Why even get hung up on it at all?

It was a great race and Toyota proved superior until the very very end. Then Porsche picked up where they faltered.

This is an amazing feat for Toyota. To pick up from last year being nowhere and accelerating the 2017 project by a year is already demanding. To be as fast, actually FASTER (on one lap and a stint) than the Porsche 919 a whole year early is awesome. Hell yeah the result is hugely disappointing, gut-wrenching! But looking at the bigger picture, Toyota proved all the critics wrong.

Almost no media outlet thought they'd compete with Porsche nor Audi on merit. They did just that with what could be called a 'rushed' car. Just imagine what further refining and running will do for the TS050. There's always a positive to take away. Bring on Nurburgring and next year's Le Mans. Toyota wants a rematch!

Toyota had an absolutely awesome race and I think they earned as much respect and fans as they would(or even more) if they would have won.

 

[Blitz24]

Do all Endurance series fail to qualify a car if it doesn't complete the final lap? Seems that in theory someone could podium if they park the car for a few hours and then just somehow be one of 3 finishers.

 

[TS050]

every time I see a "yeah but it's not the 23 hours and 57 minutes is it" comment I feel like throwing things through windows

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

stay classy GTP.

I presume you found the pages with the "which female drivers at Le Mans are the hottest" posts after the Morgan caught fire?

 

[noshog]

Its a hard road being a Toyota fan
I didn't even get to start watching until the 12hr mark, I was surprised to see Toyota fighting it out for the lead, I was determined to watch the last 12hrs and see my Toyota guys pull out a victory, it was exciting stuff
Stayed up til 1am (NZ time) hoping, praying, fingers crossed for a Toyota win...Then the unbelievable happened
My alarm went off at 6am this morning to get up and go to work, its going to be a hard and sad day at work...Still cant quite believe it. Gutted for all the guys at Toyota ! But still proud to be a Toyota fan....As they say, theres always next year.

On the bright side, I was hoping for a Ford win in GT class, I at least got that and a Scott Dixon podium too 👍

Still it was a great race One of the best LM24hrs I ever watched

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I presume you found the pages with the "which female drivers at Le Mans are the hottest" posts after the Morgan caught fire?

Trust me she ain't got nothing on Christina!

 

[Dan]

I read once on the internet that it's a rule that was set in place because Chevrolet, way back in time, used to build up a huge lead and then just park in the pits until they could just roll out and finish. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

Why didn't they just prevent Chevrolet from withdrawing and forcing them to continue racing, just like everyone else? Toyota was in a completely different scenario. They wanted to race the entire time, but couldn't because of technical/mechanical problems.

 

[TheCracker]

every time I see a "yeah but it's not the 23 hours and 57 minutes is it" comment I feel like throwing things through windows

Records will always show that Porsche won in 2016. In years to come, few will remember who almost won.

 

[Jahgee]

You'd think everyone here worked on the Toyota team, the way everyone flipped out at the few (admittedly low quality and unfunny) jokes made at Toyota's expense

 

[Brend]

every time I see a "yeah but it's not the 23 hours and 57 minutes is it" comment I feel like throwing things through windows

Out of curiosity, why? It isn't. Toyota didn't finish the race.

 

[IforceV8]

FWIW the fastest P2 time 3:36.259 x 107% = 3:51.397
Fastest Ford GT lap 3:51.514 outside of 107% by a fraction

Best theoretical lap P2 3:35.471 x 107% = 3:50.553
Best Ford GT lap 3:50.968 again just outside 107 %

The gap from P1 to P2 was also just over 107%. 3:34.650 to 3:35.471

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I completely understand and agree, the car broke, it was Toyota's mistake and it lost them the race.
But to say they didn't have what it takes just makes it seem like they never had a chance, at least in my opinion.

Audi didn't have what it takes, and they never really had a chance, hence why they finished 10(?)+ laps back, but Toyota had the race in the bag with 10 minutes to go. They had 90% of what it takes if makes you happier .

It's no one's mistake. You're racing hard for 24 hours, it happens.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Records will always show that Porsche won in 2016. In years to come, few will remember who almost won.

While that's mostly true, some stand out more than others. This was one of those years.

 

[BoneSawTX]

Why didn't they just prevent Chevrolet from withdrawing and forcing them to continue racing, just like everyone else? Toyota was in a completely different scenario. They wanted to race the entire time, but couldn't because of technical/mechanical problems.

Because it's false and never happened. Go look at the lap totals Corvette racked up and overall finish position in their GT1 wins. They were ridiculous.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Records will always show that Porsche won in 2016. In years to come, few will remember who almost won.

True to a degree, but these exceptional events usually take many years to fade from the collective memory of racing fans. 1999 was 17 years ago and yet everyone (here) knows about the tyre blow up that denied the TS020's victory.

 

[Jahgee]

True to a degree, but these exceptional events usually take many years to fade from the collective memory of racing fans. 1999 was 17 years ago and yet everyone (here) knows about the tyre blow up that denied the TS020's victory.

No idea what you're talking about

 

[Northstar]

No idea what you're talking about

Probably because you were 2 at the time.

 

[Jahgee]

Probably because you were 2 at the time.

Good point , I was just pointing out that his post was a bit presumptive

 

[Hun200kmh]

Ok, ok @Jahgee you just proved me wrong. @TheCracker you win!

 

[lxmmy]

yet everyone (here) knows about the tyre blow up that denied the TS020's victory.

Not really, as the BMW V12 was in prime position to win and the only possible way for them to win is that BMW would crash or have mechanical damage prior to the puncture.

 

[RACECAR]

To a certain American Anti-Turbo fan:



That is the sound of a winner

Regardless of the massive farce before and after, that is the car that crossed the line first in class and followed by another Turbo car. Try to "clean" that up

And while I'm at it:

And since this forum clearly has no intention of learning at all:

There isn't too many times where I dreaded coming to a thread after a 24 Hour race but by god, guess this fixes that. Its kinda sad because for years I enjoyed coming here after seeing the race but today, there is none of that. Disappointed for Toyota sure but at the same time, I'm not devaluing Porsche of their win. Hell, they made it a race by being so close so to say only one of these teams deserved is BS. Both deserved but guess what, Ladyluck doesn't give a damn what you think. As for GT PRO, it happened. The end. All this farcical crap isn't changing anything. All the while, Townsend Bell and Sweedier won in GT AM (Awesome result considering how crap indy went) and I can't believe only a few have acknowledged the winner in LMP2. If anything, it deserves more praise and attention then the BS surrounding GT Pro. Overall, I would say I'm disappointed but that clearly isn't gonna change people acting like fools so...take care I guess.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Not really, as the BMW V12 was in prime position to win and the only possible way for them to win is that BMW would crash or have mechanical damage prior to the puncture.

The pace of the recovery that Toyota did that morning (after the lead BMW crashed) indicated that the remaining BMW was going to get caught. We will never know of course .... but ....

... you (sort of) proved my point. Maybe not everyone knows, but many people know about the 1999 race and the Toyota's misfortune that year.