2016 Z35 Nissan Z

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@Hayden. I didn't really see any 'ZG' style long noses in those sketches (if that's what you mean't), but i really like where they're heading with the design. By the looks of things, it looks like the cowled/recessed headlights could make a return though. :drool:
 
R1600Turbo
Edit: Just some clarification, that concept has nothing to do with the new Z.
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Indeed - to me, that seems much more likely to be the next Juke. I spoke to Nissan's CCO at Le Mans this year and he said that the new Juke would be shown at an upcoming auto show. A Frankfurt concept reveal - or possibly Tokyo in October - would fit in with those comments.

That said - I don't object entirely to the idea of a Z crossover. The styling needs to work, and it certainly needs to be fun, but Nissan is at its best when it's making quirky stuff.

That, and I agree with the comments in the Autocar story that you can't really go "up" from the 370Z.

I like the current 370, and I really like the Nismo version, but it'd need fundamentally changing in its next generation to continue selling. The market has changed, and while I'm sure there's a modest market out there for a brutish six-cylinder coupe, it's only modest. They're just not fuel-efficient enough now, the power delivery characteristics now seem outdated next to modern turbo'd fours (and truth be told, the 370's engine is a bit nasty anyway) and if you keep giving it more power than it has to get more expensive too.
 
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Indeed - to me, that seems much more likely to be the next Juke. I spoke to Nissan's CCO at Le Mans this year and he said that the new Juke would be shown at an upcoming auto show. A Frankfurt concept reveal - or possibly Tokyo in October - would fit in with those comments.

That said - I don't object entirely to the idea of a Z crossover. The styling needs to work, and it certainly needs to be fun, but Nissan is at its best when it's making quirky stuff.

That, and I agree with the comments in the Autocar story that you can't really go "up" from the 370Z.

I like the current 370, and I really like the Nismo version, but it'd need fundamentally changing in its next generation to continue selling. The market has changed, and while I'm sure there's a modest market out there for a brutish six-cylinder coupe, it's only modest. They're just not fuel-efficient enough now, the power delivery characteristics now seem outdated next to modern turbo'd fours (and truth be told, the 370's engine is a bit nasty anyway) and if you keep giving it more power than it has to get more expensive too.
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I wouldn't necessarily say "new Juke" more like "Juke replacement".

And I personally think that the Z can keep a V6 but it also needs to downsize a bit and offer a turbo-4 with ~250hp as well. If you're not going to give us the IDx, give us something similar.
 
R1600Turbo
I wouldn't necessarily say "new Juke" more like "Juke replacement".
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One and the same thing. I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but if you're implying Nissan plans to replace the Juke with something not carrying the Juke name, I'd be very surprised.

The Juke has been a huge success for Nissan globally, and there's now brand equity in the name. Automakers typically only change (non-sequential alphanumerical) names if they want to put the previous model behind them for some reason - Ford Escort became Ford Focus, Vauxhall Vectra became Vauxhall Insignia, Fiat Bravo became Fiat Stilo... and then Bravo again after the Stilo left a sour taste with buyers. Making the Juke a success and then replacing it with a newly-named model confuses buyers and risks losing the goodwill of the current model.

Quoting myself:
Nakamura cautioned that he ‘cannot say too much’ on the look of the next Juke, but the car won’t simply be a rehash of the existing car.

Instead, it will be ‘innovative and exciting’ and ‘inherit the spirit’ of the current Juke.
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From that, I read that it'll look quite different from the current Juke, but it'll keep the youthful feel.

He may have been quite clever by maintaining the name Juke throughout the conversation, but in my experience manufacturers are more open when they plan to change a car's name - they'll generally say so, even if they won't reveal what they're changing it to.
 
RE: The Juke

Honestly, its at the top of my list as a used vehicle right now. Personally, I love how it compromises its practicality for its crazy looks, gives it a bonkers level of performance considering what it is, and in the end ends up being preeeeety much the only "fun" option in the segment (well, Outlander Sport and CX-3 may say otherwise). Its a hot hatch on stilts, and I dig it. As much as it hurts me to ever consider owning a crossover, its the one for me.

RE: The Next Z

I'd like it to be cheap, but not Nissan cheap. They're great at building cars to a price, but if that means that they have to cut a bunch of corners on interior quality and overall performance to put it in-line with the BRZFRS and MX-5, I don't know if its really worth it. Sure, the $30k or so that it takes to get a decent 370Z today is a decent value, but it straddles such a weird place between the BRZ and Mustang GT, its almost as though you're better off saving $3k, or spending the extra $3k to get something newer/better.

I'd be really curious to know what their data on Z owners says about where they want to go, or where they should go. I think a lot of the armchair fans on the Internet want a stripped down, smaller 160Z (Juke powertrain, proper wheel/tires, crank windows, etc) - would the typical Z owner/buyer settle for anything less than a VQ? Or even a bigger output turbo? I could totally see Nissan using that 2.0T from Mercedes that the Q50 is getting (Again with the idiotic model naming, yeeesh!), but that can't be cheap.
 
They should make the V6 smaller. Let's say, 3 liters even. Then they should take one turbo, and then take another turbo, and put them both on there.
 
Tornado
They could call it "300Z". Then add an "X" so it sounds cooler.
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And while at it, reduce weight as much as possible and apply semi-active 4-wheel steering to make it a competitor to Cayman/low end 911 like it used to be. Give it more variants than just cabrio, coupe and Nismo. Take a page from GT86 and offer a strippermodel with no power windows, AC, radio, give it steelies and unpainted bumpers.. But, since we're talking of the Nissan/Renault, I don't see that happening because it would be a small niche model.. But one can hope.
 
Leonidae@MFT
And while at it, reduce weight as much as possible and apply semi-active 4-wheel steering to make it a competitor to Cayman/low end 911 like it used to be. Give it more variants than just cabrio, coupe and Nismo. Take a page from GT86 and offer a strippermodel with no power windows, AC, radio, give it steelies and unpainted bumpers.. But, since we're talking of the Nissan/Renault, I don't see that happening because it would be a small niche model.. But one can hope.
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ALL THE MONIES
 
Tornado
They should make the V6 smaller. Let's say, 3 liters even. Then they should take one turbo, and then take another turbo, and put them both on there.
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^ Oh so a homage to Le Mans eh.

To be quite honest, with the market the Z cars usually fight in and with I don't see why this wouldn't be a smart thing to do. I mean really, you get the marketing aspect that can claim there are ties to Le Mans (probably not the time to do that yet, maybe next year if they actually deliver on what they plan), ties to the bigger sibling the GT-R, and you get a car that slots in and fights the American domestics, the Germans, the other Japanese (are there any?) and basically call it a day.
 
I own a 2004 350z, and honestly some of the appeal is the fact that it is not turbocharged, I think z owners realise it's not a race car and wont rev it highly all the time to reach a powerband so low end torque for everyday driving is very nice to have. The best thing they could do in my opinion is add some sort of electronic differential, because even with my 275 base tyres and at 10mph, when you steer and apply maybe 70% of throttle at 2000rpm the inside wheel spins up and it can go sideways which is not always what you want. Limited slip diffs are great for getting power down and don't hamper it much at high speed, but for everyday driving it would be nice to have something more forgiving when it's wanted. with an electronic diff you could even adjust it more towards locked to have some fun, and have the best of both worlds.
As for styling, IMO nothing radical is needed and I already love the looks of the 350 and 370z, but for colours i'd like some decent options which are not monochrome like they have been in the past
 
Top Gear renders the next-gen Z Based on the Gripz Concept

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You know, I can see that. The Z seems to have similar a Nissan family cues when each Maxima changes. 2020 VGT for sure but, I also see that new Maxima in it. Good job.
 
That would look a lot more visually appealing than the 370. I felt that car dated quickly.
 
VXR
That would look a lot more visually appealing than the 370. I felt that car dated quickly.
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Because they 370 is visually no different then the 350 that hasn't changed since 2002.

It's basically been the exact same car for 13, almost 14, years now.

What are the differences between the 350 and 370 anyway?

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