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Interesting to see almost universal disappointment in the SF70H winning the vote, yet somehow it won by a rather large margin.
I thought the point of the vote was to let the community decide what they wanted, but the community ended up with a car most of them don't want.
As soon as the F1 subreddit got involved it was over.
FYI, the results were similar before the poll was anywhere near Reddit (SF17H had double the votes of P2 in the first few days when the forum warriors still had a significant share of the votes), and if anything, the 512M made up quite a few positions, a week into the poll the 488 GTE was majorly ahead of 3rd place and several cars were neck and neck for P3.
I tried the SF15T last night as I've barely used it, I thought I'd try it just to confirm my disappointment of the winning poll. It was boring as hell on Spa, after a few laps of getting closer to the limit it be a a whole lot more enjoyable ( I didn't get nowhere near the limit though as I was pushed for time for one ), most of the voter won't be able to get close to the limit of the 2017 F1 I'm gonna presume so makes this addition kind of pointless.I'm seriously disappointed by this result. Only positive for me is the big regulatory changes introduced for the 2017 season, which will be interesting to experience in AC. That said, far from as interesting as nearly everything else in the poll's top 10.
Please elaborate with a readable font size. I have had great fun driving the Ferrari F138 on PS4.
Personally I'm disappointed with this result as I won't use it past giving it a quick test run. I'm happy for those who wanted it though.
15% of votes mean that 75% of people didn't want another F1 car though...
Whilst you made a mathematical error, your number was probably more accurate. As i doubt it's true 85% of the other votes absolutely did not want this car to be the winner, they just preferred something else.Lol can't believe I made that mathematical error lol
I could be wrong, but people who chose this F1 thing either
- haven't bothered looking at the list;
More than the reasons you mentioned, even if you are an alien in these modern F1 cars, almost every one you come up against will be sloths! So what's the point? Especially with Schumis car already in the pack. I would have had zero problems with the 641 or any pre 2000s F1 car winning ( really looking forward to the 67 F1 car btw).What are they going to do with it though? The AI doesn't use all the rocket-ship hybrid controls so there's not much point in racing it offline, nevermind that it doesn't have any other cars to compete against. The SF15 is very rarely used online as far as I know so I would expect this one not to be used much either, and I'm sure not many people have mastered how to use all the hybrid settings so even if it was used online the racing probably wouldn't be very competitive or entertaining. So that leaves you with hot-lapping and we already have other F1 cars we can do that with. However if the 512 had made it then it would have been great to race offline, online, and it had a friend car in the game to play with, so it would have been far more useful than yet another F1 car (IMO) that most people will drive once or twice and then park in their garage. And this is coming from someone who considers F1 his religion and has watched every race and qualifying session for at least the last 15 years and attended five F1 races in person.
After Brexit, Trump, Boaty McBoatface, and now this, I think it's safe to say the public can no longer be trusted with important votes.
There's ~30 posts in this thread, whilst the poll had over 30,000 votes. A tiny minority of those who voted expressing their view is not going to be as good an indicator of community opinion as the vote itself (especially when you'd expect the ones who are unhappy to be more vocal).
Not voting for something is not necessarily the same as "not wanting" it - otherwise you'd have to conclude that every car in the list wasn't wanted by most people, therefore none of them should be included.
Probably exactly what happened.As soon as the F1 subreddit got involved it was over.
I've been reading three different sim racing forums and Facebook today, the reaction is almost universally negative between all of those sources. I've probably read over 500 comments today and I'd guess about 90-95% of them were expressing disappointment. I'd say that's a pretty good sample size and a pretty good indicator.
Except that the theme running through the comments I've read say they have little interest in this car. The most common comment of the day seems to be along the lines of "I'll drive it once when it releases, then it will just sit in my garage". That indicates to me that the majority of people did not want it, especially since it knocked out a car they DID want.
I mean sure, if you came up to us and said "you can have the SF70H or nothing" most people would take the car, but that wasn't the case here and the SF70H eliminated a lot of cars that people DID want.
Obviously enough people wanted it for it to win, but of the regular forum dwellers (which is what I consider "the community") it doesn't seem to be a popular result at all.
Probably exactly what happened.
My experience too, between an FB SIM group I'm in, Marco's FB, AC FB, AC forum and GTP. For every hundred comments I have read, I have come across way below a handful of people who voted for it, or didn't vote it but are happy with it. Those numbers simply do not add up,I've been reading three different sim racing forums and Facebook today, the reaction is almost universally negative between all of those sources. I've probably read over 500 comments today and I'd guess about 90-95% of them were expressing disappointment. I'd say that's a pretty good sample size and a pretty good indicator.
It is a sizable number, but it's still only a fraction of the people who took part in the poll, and no way of checking if it's a represenative sample of the participants (let alone all AC players). To me, 500 people expressing disappointment towards a car they didn't vote for doesn't tell me a lot, when I already know that 25,000+ people hadn't voted for that car.........
Likewise, if 500 comments suddenly popped up saying they're so happy the SF70H won, since I already know that ~4,500 people voted for it I don't think that would tell me much either. I don't think you can really read further into it than that without being purely speculative.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the vote results - my point being, the vote was so split that none of the cars could be touted as the one the community "wanted", because none of them got a majority. (Maybe you could argue that Kunos shouldn't have done a poll where the winner only needed a plurality, but that's the rules they went with.)
If you're going by comments, then again, a minority of comments doesn't necessarily speak for everyone. We also don't know what the reactions would've been if other cars in the poll had won instead (how many comments would have been produced by the new batch of people disappointed the SF70H didn't win?).
As an aside, the fact that all these cars were in the poll to begin with obviously means Kunos has some sort of permission to create them. So if they were able to reach agreement with Ferrari to do another pack, it's not like these cars will have been permanently consigned to the graveyard. (Kunos will have their own plans but a "community pack" which featured the cars that finished 2nd-8th would be a great idea.)
That may well be, but the poll wasn't just for the forum-regulars, it was for.......well anyone with an email address, but presumably most voters would've been people who play the game, or are interested in playing it (the F1 reddit thing being a possible exception, but as I mentioned it's already been said this likely didn't affect the outcome).
I don't fully agree with your definition of community, but I appreciate you being respectful about it........it's kinda amusing to see all the comments that amount to "you're just some idiot sheep/you're not a true AC fan if you voted for the SF70H". Incidentally they're a pretty good way of ensuring the community really is limited to just the regulars!
Interesting to see almost universal disappointment in the SF70H winning the vote, yet somehow it won by a rather large margin. I thought the point of the vote was to let the community decide what they wanted, but the community ended up with a car most of them don't want. Stupid internet.
Especially if the latest model is only 2 years old, is that enough to justify the SF70H?
Again, all I did was make an observation that of the people I have access to almost none of them are pleased with the outcome
doesn't change the fact that I have yet to see more than a very small handful of people who are happy about the vote results
I know this all seems like sour grapes, but I was saying from the very beginning, "Why is this a public vote?' Regardless of the outcome I believe the poll should have only allowed owners of the sim voting privileges.
I think the official poll should have been on their forum and not their main site. That way if people were really interested then they wouldn't have had issue signing up. Also should have called it SF70H and not 2017 F1.Now that it's over it really seems like it was 'Every car on the list versus the 2017 F1' - based on the reactions of the voting public. Did someone say that the F1 won the poll with 15% of the vote? If that is truly the number...wow. I have very similar feelings to many of you in this thread regarding the winning vehicle. I know this all seems like sour grapes, but I was saying from the very beginning, "Why is this a public vote?' Regardless of the outcome I believe the poll should have only allowed owners of the sim voting privileges.
If I'm not mistaken, the official forums will plainly show those who are registered owners and who are not. The PC based forums are open to only registered owners of the PC version of the sim, right? Are the console forums not protected as well? Why not put up a poll in each, both with the same candidates and then tally the results of both polls added together?
Brake temp simulation
846 vote(s) 17.7%
VR support
1,195 vote(s) 25.0%
Steer ratio/brake pressure setup adjustments
236 vote(s) 4.9%
False starts/Engine stall
932 vote(s) 19.5%
Custom championships
368 vote(s) 7.7%
Possibility to change skin in "Pickup Mode"
124 vote(s) 2.6%
Sparks/Flashing lights
205 vote(s) 4.3%
Improved water/radiators interaction and simulation
221 vote(s) 4.6%
Time based races
217 vote(s) 4.5%
Pit stop strategy
457 vote(s) 9.6%
Who knows, maybe they have a set date with Maserati and Alfa for when the licence starts etc. We do know that the GTO was modeled a while ago. The 67 F1 too.There's something else bothering me. Kunos has on a few ocassions talked about cars coming to AC. Usually it takes several months, if not a whole year, which is fair enough in its own right. For example, the Alfa Romeo Guilia QV or Maserati Quattroporte were first mentioned in 2016, but still not in the game.
Now they asked the fans to vote for a Ferrari no later than July 9th, so the winner can be included at some point during the fall. How is that even remotely possible when cars announced in 2016 are taking forever?
I understand that licensing hurdles can be a pain, and it's most likely something they cleared with Ferrari well before this poll went online. However, why mention something like the Maserati Quattroporte in the end of year blog if licensing possibly wasn't taken care of at the time? If the very complicated SF70H makes it into AC on time, then it's almost crazy how we still haven't seen some of the cars Kunos talked about last year.
Who knows, maybe they have a set date with Maserati and Alfa for when the licence starts etc. We do know that the GTO was modeled a while ago. The 67 F1 too.
There's something else bothering me. Kunos has on a few ocassions talked about cars coming to AC. Usually it takes several months, if not a whole year, which is fair enough in its own right. For example, the Alfa Romeo Guilia QV or Maserati Quattroporte were first mentioned in 2016, but still not in the game.
Now they asked the fans to vote for a Ferrari no later than July 9th, so the winner can be included at some point during the fall. How is that even remotely possible when cars announced in 2016 are taking forever?
I understand that licensing hurdles can be a pain, and it's most likely something they cleared with Ferrari well before this poll went online. However, why mention something like the Maserati Quattroporte in the end of year blog if licensing possibly wasn't taken care of at the time? If the very complicated SF70H makes it into AC on time, then it's almost crazy how we still haven't seen some of the cars Kunos talked about last year.
There's something else bothering me. Kunos has on a few ocassions talked about cars coming to AC. Usually it takes several months, if not a whole year, which is fair enough in its own right. For example, the Alfa Romeo Guilia QV or Maserati Quattroporte were first mentioned in 2016, but still not in the game.
Now they asked the fans to vote for a Ferrari no later than July 9th, so the winner can be included at some point during the fall. How is that even remotely possible when cars announced in 2016 are taking forever?
I understand that licensing hurdles can be a pain, and it's most likely something they cleared with Ferrari well before this poll went online. However, why mention something like the Maserati Quattroporte in the end of year blog if licensing possibly wasn't taken care of at the time? If the very complicated SF70H makes it into AC on time, then it's almost crazy how we still haven't seen some of the cars Kunos talked about last year.
Well, the Porsches caused a lot of delays with planned DLC, but it was a pretty big deal so they saw the delay as justifiable. And there might have been some incentives from Porsche to push the 3 DLC packs ahead of prior planned DLC.
Probably a similar situation with the Ferrari pack, they've likely been in discussions with Ferrari for many months working out the logistics and deciding which cars would be made available. And since it's kind of a big deal with a lot of hoopla around it it's probably getting pushed ahead of single car offerings like the Alfa that aren't part of a heavily publicized pack. So it's not that it takes that long for them to make a car, it's just that other things are sometimes prioritized ahead of it.
When the RSR was delayed they whipped up that street Porsche in a matter of weeks so we know they're capable, but when the likes of Porsche and Ferrari want you to make their cars a priority it's probably wise to do what you can to comply.
I know how you feel @Nielsen. Have you ever watched the video Kunos released over 2 years ago announcing they just signed Lamborghini licensing agreements.
To save you 2 minutes watching the video, they announce the cars that they'll be bring to AC now that they had the Lambo deal. They list 8 cars: Aventador, Huracan GT3, Asterion, Miura SV, Gallardo GT3, Huracan Super Trofeo, Veneno, Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera. Four of those cars never made it to AC, although I'm being pedantic with the Aventador as we got the Aventador SV. Besides the Gallardo GT3 I'm glad we didn't get an Asterion and especially the Veneno, yuck.
I know how you feel though, @Nielsen. I've had the same thoughts many times especially regarding the freebies we have coming. For instance, August 24, 2015 was the last day that a very special mod Group C car was set to receive any further updates from the modders working on the project. An agreement was reached with Kunos where the car would become official content! I started playing AC in Oct 2015, so I was already hearing about how this car will now be an official car - but I did download the mod version to use while I waited for Kunos to give me the new "official" version. Which car am I talking about? The Mazda 787b! Kunos did make some small changes to the 3d mesh, physics & sound which was to be expected. When did they finally give it to us? March 22, 2017. I know it sucks that they get you all hot and bothered about a car and then you wait...wait...and wait. I think overall they do a pretty good job of putting new vehicles out there in good intervals. Sometimes I wish they did not even tell us models of upcoming cars. Maybe a month before a DLC pack is going to be available, but I can't stand all the guessing that goes on at the official forums. It drives me nuts.
Marco Massarutto posted teasers of the GTO a long while ago. He then posted a photo of him at the Ferrari HQ with the 312 under cover, but about a month ago he posted a photo of his G27 and on his TV you could see the cockpit of the 312.Maybe something like that. When was the Ferrari 312/67 first mentioned? I didn't know that Kunos was working on it until they revealed the contents of the Ferrari DLC.
The Asterion was canceled by Lamborghini, hence why it likely hasn't come and won't be coming in the game. The Gallardo GT3 was swapped out for the Huracan GT3 (possibly at Lamborghini's request). The Veneno I have no idea about for its non appearance so far but I'd swap that for the Sesto in a heart beat. So really we are only missing one Lamborghini, or 2 if the Asterion should be replaced. I would be interested to get an official answer.I know how you feel @Nielsen. Have you ever watched the video Kunos released over 2 years ago announcing they just signed Lamborghini licensing agreements.
To save you 2 minutes watching the video, they announce the cars that they'll be bring to AC now that they had the Lambo deal. They list 8 cars: Aventador, Huracan GT3, Asterion, Miura SV, Gallardo GT3, Huracan Super Trofeo, Veneno, Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera. Four of those cars never made it to AC, although I'm being pedantic with the Aventador as we got the Aventador SV. Besides the Gallardo GT3 I'm glad we didn't get an Asterion and especially the Veneno, yuck.
I know how you feel though, @Nielsen. I've had the same thoughts many times especially regarding the freebies we have coming. For instance, August 24, 2015 was the last day that a very special mod Group C car was set to receive any further updates from the modders working on the project. An agreement was reached with Kunos where the car would become official content! I started playing AC in Oct 2015, so I was already hearing about how this car will now be an official car - but I did download the mod version to use while I waited for Kunos to give me the new "official" version. Which car am I talking about? The Mazda 787b! Kunos did make some small changes to the 3d mesh, physics & sound which was to be expected. When did they finally give it to us? March 22, 2017. I know it sucks that they get you all hot and bothered about a car and then you wait...wait...and wait. I think overall they do a pretty good job of putting new vehicles out there in good intervals. Sometimes I wish they did not even tell us models of upcoming cars. Maybe a month before a DLC pack is going to be available, but I can't stand all the guessing that goes on at the official forums. It drives me nuts.
I do remember that Lamborghini trailer, but I had forgotten how it actually announced the three models now unaccounted for. Never say never, but I will be surprised if those are coming after all this time.
Marco Massarutto posted teasers of the GTO a long while ago. He then posted a photo of him at the Ferrari HQ with the 312 under cover, but about a month ago he posted a photo of his G27 and on his TV you could see the cockpit of the 312.
It was a very subtle teaser, hence why it probably wasn't picked up.Yes, Kunos has talked about the 250 GTO for almost a year now, but I didn't see those 312 teasers myself. Maybe the "news" didn't break to GTP, which is where I read most things related to AC. The main section of official forum is locked for console players, Marco's social media teasers don't seem to go entirely public, and Stefano hasn't done his developer streams in ages.