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I’m not sure if I want a protest. As much as I wanted Scott to win, I think I just want all this business over.
That was also absurd, but I'm referring to what eveyone else is, the Lowndes clash. So on that note, did you read any of the posts here?I sincerely hope you're referring to the speeding penalty. On that note, did you even read all of my post or just the part you wanted to nitpick with?
Yes, I'm a Lowndes fan but, I'm not biased in anyway that gives him a free pass for incidents that may be his fault.
No bias here
A bumper. Are you friggin serious?
Blind Freddy can see from the replay that Lowndes had more than a bumper on Scott.
If all CL had on SMc was a bumper, the #17 is the car that would've been in the wall.
Craig had numerous opportunities to play dirty team tactics but, he didn't.
So, anyone else think I'm biased?
Scotty hadn't even crossed the finish line yet.Stewards sure seemed pretty quick to make a decision on a championship-defining incident before hearing from the drivers,
Video is up on the VASC website, watched it plenty (for you too @aarror since you want to play the JW card). Coming off the corner exit, Scott had oversteer setting up a window for Craig to get at, Craig put his nose in and got into Scotty for a bit. Coming down the straight they had some space where Scotty moved left couldn't see Craig and they touched a bit again, he seems to get hooked on the damaged car of Scotty. As they continue going up the hill there really isn't that much room for Craig to be on the inside like that with the protruding wall and he hits it going door to door with Scott. I don't really give a crap that JW won, and I don't really see why the conversation about the ups and downs of Scott's racing seems to be justification for this final incursion. What I care about is a fair shake and time to actually comb over the incident and perhaps call up the drivers to get a perspective.
They did none of this, called it essentially as soon as the cars stopped and that was that. If that seems fair to you that's fine we have nothing more to converse cause I'm not going to spend all night trying to convince people otherwise. I saw it and rewatched it to make sure I wasn't just outright blindly supporting something that didn't happen and after watching several times now I think it was a racing incident as seen many times in the series without punishment and actually looked over for a decent amount of time.
I've gone back to watch it a couple times, but my position hasn't changed. To my eyes it's a block gone wrong, Scotty moved to defend but Craig was already there. As you said however, I doubt I'll convince you or anyone else else here to change your minds. But that's only to be expected, any title deciding crash is going to be polarizing.
I'll agree they should have taken more time to properly assess the incident, but I doubt the end result would be any different. This is a similar incident to Schumacher squeezing Barrichello at Hungary in 2010 (except there was no contact there), and Schumi got a penalty for that one. (A 10 place grid penalty for the next race).
I stayed at a few spots trackside. --Under the bridge at Nobby's roundabout. It had shade and we were standing on the bridge concrete supports.I really enjoyed the whole weekend, well not Saturday since I wasn't there and had to attend a Yugioh regional but had fun attending this event.
My only real complaint is that it was almost impossible to find any good room to watch the race when not in the grandstand. I eventually just stayed in the Hino truck for most of the race but Courtneys Car after dropping the muffler was crazy loud :shocked:. There was quite a lot of T8 fans (or maybe they were just Holdens) where I was, and everyone around me reacted like crazy. It got really close all the way to the end.
As for the penalties with Mclaughlin. The PLP can be debatable but clips of the pit entry with the speedo showed him entering 39 km/h when entering his pit box, which I guess was a violation. The PLP for Pit Speed seems more like a outdated rule (these were given a lot more back in the day) they still had to enforce. Simona was no debate. Lowndes, I have to say Mclaughlin messed up, he encouraged and even touched Craig Lowndes giving him no chance but to collide the wall, Mclaughlin was penalized fairly, the other brought up from other people here were not and someone shouldn't be unfairly treated just because other drivers were in fact they should've gotten fair penalties like Mclaughlin, you deserve it after messing up someone elses race.
Now want to take this time to say I am incredibly impressed with Simona. At the start of the year, I really didn't think she was special and only got in to Supercars so the series can flaunt some political points, and while I still think she didn't really earn her way in here, she definitely has earned her way into staying here. She has greatly improved from her realy slow beginnings to being someone who can pull a lot of speeding moments and can see her pulling great things next year too
Not really, 2 years ago Mark Winterbottom won.Can we rename this joke of a series to: Red Bull Supercars Series.
IS IT SERIOUSLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR A NON RED BULL GUY TO WIN THE TITLE?!
IS IT SERIOUSLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR A NON RED BULL GUY TO WIN THE TITLE?!
And the fact that SVG was clearly speeding in behind him.My only real issue was the speeding penalty Scotty received early on.
Agree with @aarror that it was a block gone wrong. My only real issue was the speeding penalty Scotty received early on. Which by all accounts seems like he wasn't speeding at all.
Winterbottom championship a couple of years ago was just a glitch in the matrix.
Not to mention T8 have a new car to sort out, then a new engine after that. Could leave them playing catch up for a couple seasons. (hopefully)I’m still disappointed after yesterday, Scott got screwed by that first PLP. But we move on all I know is 2017 was one hell of a season and with all the young guns joining next year 2018 is going to be even better.
That one single BS penalty created the whole snowball effect and cost him the championship. Without it, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Simona or Lowndes.
DJR even said that they didn't understand it as their data didn't show a breach!I hope someone works what the story was with the pit lane speed infringements - they showed one reply with McL's telemetry and all it indicated was that he was doing 38kph to his box and 38kph out again.