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Ogier chose M-Sport because he did not want big contracts and now he wants factory backing. He must be happy with his Fiesta now.
 
prisonermonkeys
Can you blame him? Volkswagen pulled out at the last moment. He had limited opportunity to test the cars, and obviously didn't want to get pinned down in a dud like the C3.
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Ogier would probably get a couple of wins in the C3, I am still not convinced that it´s the cars fault. You could put Meeke in a Volkswagen and he would still crash on every event.
 
I am not blaming Ogier at all, Actually I think that he did the right thing.
No body knew how these news cars would perform.

And I believe that both Meeke and the C3 have to improve.
C3 and Yaris need more mileage to get 100%.
 
Motoyuki7
I am not blaming Ogier at all, Actually I think that he did the right thing.
No body knew how these news cars would perform.

And I believe that both Meeke and the C3 have to improve.
C3 and Yaris need more mileage to get 100%.
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Reason Ogier also ditched Citroen maybe have to do with spite? Remember when he drove for them in 2010 and 2011 but because he was able to challenge Loeb he got kicked out
 
Simmpa
I am still not convinced that it´s the cars fault.
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It's easily the weakest of the four. It just looks so ungainly. The Hyundai is the best car, followed by the Fiesta. The Yaris is third, largely by virtue of being underdeveloped, but it's so much more nimble than the C3.
 
prisonermonkeys
It's easily the weakest of the four. It just looks so ungainly. The Hyundai is the best car, followed by the Fiesta. The Yaris is third, largely by virtue of being underdeveloped, but it's so much more nimble than the C3.
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Citroen have fallen back because they have one very crappy driver and two young inexperienced drivers. Both Hyundai and M-Sport have drivers that are always consistent and have years of experience. And Toyota would be in a better position if Lappi had been with them since the start and if their engines had not overheated in Mexico and Argentina.
 
Simmpa
Citroen have fallen back because they have one very crappy driver and two young inexperienced drivers.
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And a pig of a car. Meeke might not be the most well-rounded driver, but he has to hustle the C3 to get the most out of it, which exaggerates the problems with his driving style. I don't think it's the sleeping giant you're making it out to be, and nor do I think that recruiting a star act to drive it will cure its problems immediately. It's bigger, wider and heavier than the other cars, and that puts it at a distinct disadvantage.
 
No comment yet about rally Poland? Tanaks retirement means there´s still some hope for Hyundai as they are just 22 points adrift in the Manufacturer Championship and 11 points in the drivers championship. Consider there are soon 2 tarmac events I think It´s over for Latvala and Tanak.
 
I still don't think Latvala was ever a genuine title prospect. The Yaris' pace is the most inconsistent across a variety of surfaces; the only reason why it's better than the C3 is because the C3 is consistently terrible.
 
prisonermonkeys
I still don't think Latvala was ever a genuine title prospect. The Yaris' pace is the most inconsistent across a variety of surfaces; the only reason why it's better than the C3 is because the C3 is consistently terrible.
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Consider Mikkelsens terrible run with the C3 maybe you are right, but I am still not conviced Kris Meeke would be a good driver given the right car, he have always been a disaster no matter what car he have.

When I think about how bad Citroen are this year it makes me think back of this blog

https://www.worldrallyblog.com/2017/01/13/wrc-news/13214/

Even before this new year I knew Citroen would be at the back because they had no impressive driver line up, two inexperienced new drivers and the Pastor Maldonado of WRC. One thing I badly predicted was how good Ott Tanak would perfrom this year. All previous years he always was inconsistent and making mistakes and I genuinly thought that it was a mistake to take him in a third time.
 
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Mikkelsen is doing a good job at actually showing Meeke in a half-decent light. Yeah, Kris may be over driving, but he needs to drive it like he stole it to get any kind of result from it. So what if Mikkelsen has had little testing I'm the new cars, he isn't that slow compared to the other drivers surely. Dropping Meeke was the right thing, and Citroen can only hope it works to keep him from crashing.

Put it this way, if Mikkelsen had jumped in and been on the pace, it would be the end of Meeke's contract.
 
Simmpa
I knew Citroen would be at the back because they had no impressive driver line up, two inexperienced new drivers and the Pastor Maldonado of WRC.
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I think the plan was to use 2017 to see exactly where they were at relative to everyone else and to give Breen and Lefebvre experience while planning a serious campaign in 2018.
 
prisonermonkeys
Rally Poland looks like it could be axed over repeated safety concerns:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130560/poland-set-to-lose-wrc-round-over-crowd-safety
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Even if it gets replaced with another European event I will be happy, we had the same god damned countries on the calendar for the last 4 years, I want some change now.

Since 2018 will feature 14 events I wish New Zealand will finally be added, I also hope for some new event in South East Asia, maybe Indonesia or Malaysia?
 
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Simmpa
we had the same god damned countries on the calendar for the last 4 years
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A lot of the rallies have changed their routes in that time. Saturday in Poland was completely new, with a loop of stages near the Russian border.

Simmpa
I also hope for some new event in South East Asia, maybe Indonesia or Malaysia?
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New Zealand and Croatia are the only two new events under consideration at the moment.
 
I can´t stop thinking if whenever Honda would join WRC as a way to save their dignity with their abysmal Formula 1 comeback as engine supplier
 
Simmpa
I can´t stop thinking if whenever Honda would join WRC as a way to save their dignity with their abysmal Formula 1 comeback as engine supplier
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I don't see how it would raise their prestige in the slightest, they have no history with WRC and generally aren't known for major off road racing so they'd be bottom of the barrel coming in. If anything, they'd be more likely to double down on their Indycar efforts rather than try to jump into a whole new arena.
 
EngieDiesel
I don't see how it would raise their prestige in the slightest, they have no history with WRC and generally aren't known for major off road racing so they'd be bottom of the barrel coming in. If anything, they'd be more likely to double down on their Indycar efforts rather than try to jump into a whole new arena.
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Doubling down on Indycar AND their Acura DPi program in IMSA next year.
 
Honda has some Civics at Rally Cross now and there are rumors that the new Type R will be 4WD.
But I don't know. They need to concentrate their efforts on making a good engine for Mclaren. :lol:
 

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