2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[05XR8]

Trump is polling 30% in the Bronx, which hasn't happened since Reagan and means it's not just white males voting for him. If the Denocrats are underperforming in "safe" areas like that, that suggests to me they're out of touch with voters?
In the end, it's not just about Trump winning this (god help us all!), Harris is losing this race quite spectacularly.

I would also add that almost no country in the world has had an election post Covid where the incumbent has won. The whole world seems to be going through upheaval.

Oh, and if you know anyone in Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, they might want to start packing, as NATO is screwed. Ukraine is screwed too - I don't see how the Uk and EU keep Ukraine going on their own.

I couldn't believe Trump visited that barbershop in one of my old neighbourhoods.
Surprisingly, I was seeing, on tv, people say, "Kamala didn't do anything when she was in the White House" and she's talking too much Kumbaya with no real plans. Seriously. Some of this was even coming from relatives here in Australia. Apologising to me and saying they're leaning towards Trump this time.
I can't see how a dude that was bad with his own business, is giving those hope he'll fix everything with fist shafts.

Since now it's looking more and more like a Trump victory, the issue likely lies with Biden. If Biden has just stepped aside and not sought reelection we probably would be in a different position. Harris didn't have time nor ability to convince enough people she was different. Had their been an open primary, she probably could have.

I know people will be saying she should've taken Josh Shapiro for her VP pick but I think that would've lost Harris the young vote, especially on college campuses. It would be a hard sell if you had a Zionist as your VP while Israel is committing genocide. Shapiro was also very openly anti-free speech.

Also, I still don't believe America is ready for a female president. To many old people vote and they grew up in a generation where women didn't hold power, they stayed home and took care of kids. They trust a man, especially a white man, to do the job better.

Right now I can only hope it won't be as bad as many think it will be. I know that's optimistic, but what else can you do?

Your last question. I believe in getting at the local officials. If there are more representatives like AOC that will fight locally and have locals back them, that holds weight for day to day concerns to be addressed and rectified.

Biden stepping down and Kamala having a short time to make a difference was a good move. It really showed many people missed Kamala's point of everyone from the people to the government, working together to make change.

 

[Greycap]

It would be a hard sell if you had a Zionist as your VP while Israel is committing genocide.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem to matter a bit to have Putin's best friend as the actual president while Russia is doing the same, but...

Also, I still don't believe America is ready for a female president. To many old people vote and they grew up in a generation where women didn't hold power, they stayed home and took care of kids. They trust a man, especially a white man, to do the job better.

...ultimately it comes largely down to this, as sad as it is. Perhaps half that, and half of the religious cult following Trump has gathered and nothing is going to come between them and their great leader. To be honest I don't think any Democrat could have won this no matter what they would have promised or done, facts were never going to matter anyway as Trump's success has shown over the last eight years.

 

[GTboyz]

Personally I just hope my country leader can handle this era.

I hope other countries as well.

 

[Terronium-12]

I live in a country full of profound, overpowering, acute idiocy.

I can only hope there's still more to come. I can only 🤬 hope...

 

[Canada_25]

And you had such faith in the strength of your position you only chose to speak up now?

Many of those who voted for Trump may soon find out that the dildo of truth never arrives lubed, unfortunately, the rest of the world will get to feel that as well.

And where did I say who I was supporting? I was simply pointing out the supports intensity of some members here. I rarely speak up about my political opinions, but I like reading what others have to say. With that being said, I feel like there's more downsides to a Trump presidency for my country and my bank account than there would be with Harris.

Your reaction and a lot of reactions I'm reading now kinda proves my point.

 

[HenrySwanson]

This is why democrats lost, again. Because all they do is demonise people with a different viewpoint, which actually turns them away from the left.

Johnathan Pie said it best in 2016

Spoiler: Language warning

I think Democrats actually probably lost because Harris was unable to separate herself from Biden (59% unapproval rating) with regards to issues that Democrats presided over.

The fact that she, specifically, seems to have underperformed substantially versus down-ballot elections and referenda that sometimes even mirrored her policy proposals makes me think this was a tall order for any Democrat to win over any Republican, nevermind one cast into the role 6 months after the norm because of Biden's ego.

Both of you are right. It created the perfect storm.

Politics morphed into "us vs them", and while Democrats didn't "demonise" in the same way as MAGAs, those not fully passing some kind of purity test may still be othered. Look what happened to the Trumpers on this board.

Fear and hate win again and the economy rules things, plus ça change.

 

[Famine]

Look what happened to the Trumpers on this board.

Why, what happened to them?

 

[HenrySwanson]

Why, what happened to them?

They left.

And then others who didn't drink the kool-aid of Trump were left with two choices.

 

[Famine]

They left.

Oh. Why did they leave?

 

[Alfa Romeo GT]

Well done Trump.
Let's make america great AGAIN

 

[Scaff]

And where did I say who I was supporting? I was simply pointing out the supports intensity of some members here. I rarely speak up about my political opinions, but I like reading what others have to say. With that being said, I feel like there's more downsides to a Trump presidency for my country and my bank account than there would be with Harris.

Your reaction and a lot of reactions I'm reading now kinda proves my point.

Not really, it lies with your lack of clear commentary requiring others to interpret what your attempting to say.

 

[Tornado]

On the other hand, it doesn't seem to matter a bit to have Putin's best friend as the actual president while Russia is doing the same, but...

It must be said that Trump voters almost certainly care even less about it than the Democrats ended up doing. When he was running the first time and talking about how America is expected to be the world police but endlessly bitched at over it and was complaining about how the EU wasn't pulling its weight in NATO? I distinctly remember people here scoffing at the sentiment but absolutely was seeing people in person latching onto it, even when I lived in a state that loathed Trump in 2016. Isolationism is in when domestically things are crap.
What Democrats do care about is the optics of such things, as borne out by how several pages of this thread were spent arguing about it even though we know Trump was conspiring to use it as a trap (because he said he was) against Kamala and Democrats were falling for it and the actual difference it made was likely a rounding error.


What this election was actually about was a repudiation of basically all of Biden's domestic policies, if not his presidency as a whole. Inflation inflation inflation. Not the stock market index or jobs reports. You see it in the swing states. North Carolina was never really that much in play, it turned out, and Harris performed accordingly. Meanwhile Trump's great buddy black white supremacist porn addict who was copy pasting a bunch of Trump talking points and they we co campaigning hand in hand in the state got completely annihilated in the governor's race. One of the first races called in the entire country. Those two were on the same ballot. I saw it yesterday morning.

 

[Liquid]

Sad but timeless.

 

[Strittan]

I live in a world full of profound, overpowering, acute idiocy.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Canada_25]

Not really, it lies with your lack of clear commentary requiring others to interpret what your attempting to say.

I thought it was pretty clear I was implying that this thread, for the most part, looked like a democrat's cheerleaders gathering.

 

[Fezzik]

I'm going to bed and will probably be waking up to re-evaluating moving back to the UK.... I have dual citizenship, though isn't the UK a **** show these days as well?

Nowhere’s perfect but compared to the upcoming apocalypse in the US it’s a paradise.

 

[Imari]

Politics morphed into "us vs them"...

Morphed into? It's been that way for a long time, but it only really hit it's fever pitch in 2016.

Fixed that for you.

You're not wrong, but the US has gone out of it's way to prove itself a world leader on this one.

 

[Famine]

I thought it was pretty clear I was implying that this thread, for the most part, looked like a democrat's cheerleaders gathering.

That's an interesting lens you've got there.

Most of what I've read over the past few months hasn't been pro-Democrat but anti-Trump. Few posts have been about voting for Harris, rather voting Harris as a nose-hold. Before that there was a lot of comment on the wisdom of letting Biden run again until he eventually did the right thing and stood aside.

 

[Carbonox]

They left.

...and some may have flipped once the implications became more grave over time.

 

[eran0004]

By acting like one man could break 230+ years of democracy you performing biggest act of pathetic defeatism. You just ate too much Dems propaganda. Trump is lying orange showman, not evil genius.

Pretending that democracy is invincible and eternal is dangerous. And quite dumb when you have experienced first hand how your own country has gone down the drain.

You don’t need to be a genius in order to dismantle the democracy, you just need to silence the intellectuals.

 

[TheCracker]

Nowhere’s perfect but compared to the upcoming apocalypse in the US it’s a paradise.

For now. Sadly the shadow of fascism is spreading across most of the western world right now. It feels like only a matter of time.

 

[Nielsen]

I live in a country full of profound, overpowering, acute idiocy.

I can only hope there's still more to come. I can only 🤬 hope...

You live in a country where people living in the biggest cities have gradually more detached themselves from the world around them. The distribution of colours on the election map should tell you that more than anything.

 

[05XR8]

I thought it was pretty clear I was implying that this thread, for the most part, looked like a democrat's cheerleaders gathering.

Not coming at you at all. To me, I think it was more like an intervention or a sanity must prevail coming together... of common sense like-minded folk.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Oh. Why did they leave?

They couldn't defend their position plus likely felt aggrieved at the dog-piling. Ironically even though they'll complain about safe spaces, that's exactly what they, and most people left or right, want.

 

[Famine]

They couldn't defend their position plus likely felt aggrieved at the dog-piling. Ironically even though they'll complain about safe spaces, that's exactly what they, and most people left or right, want.

It seems like you're saying that Trump supporters, and only Trump supporters, found themselves in indefensible positions and voluntarily went elsewhere to find places they could be with likeminded people rather than a place where views are challenged - creating their own "us vs. them" division.

However your original post - "look what happened to the Trumpers on this board" - suggests that this was visited upon them by this site, specifically, with members "othering" them.

 

[Tornado]

So they won't even get the House back. What a disaster. An even graver miscalculation than 2016, at a significantly worse time.

 

[HenrySwanson]

What this election was actually about was a repudiation of basically all of Biden's domestic policies, if not his presidency as a whole. Inflation inflation inflation. Not the stock market index or jobs reports. You see it in the swing states. North Carolina was never really that much in play, it turned out, and Harris performed accordingly. Meanwhile Trump's great buddy black white supremacist porn addict who was copy pasting a bunch of Trump talking points and they we co campaigning hand in hand in the state got completely annihilated in the governor's race. One of the first races called in the entire country. Those two were on the same ballot. I saw it yesterday morning.

You won't win with stats like this:

 

[GlamFM]

How to win against Trump and the gang:


1. Inflation. Fight inflation with everything you got. Go after the megacorps that are bleeding us dry. Go after the people that took advantage of covid. Bring. The. Prices Down. Basically change the rules of capitalism. (Trump is not gonna do that)

Not making this your #1 priority will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

2. Migration. Look at migration and draw real conclusions. Look at what works, but also at what doesn't. It's OK if it hurts a little.

Not letting migration be a talking point let alone do something about it when it has to be done will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

3. Hate the term, but I'm about to use it: Wokeness. Plenty of things are good and right about it, but where did it go too far? No, a male boxer beating up women and and winning a gold medal at the olympics it not "beautiful" and does not have to be "celebrated", it needs to be prohibited.

Shaming people who do not buy into every aspect of "wokeness" will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

My government is currently only occupied with themselves and only makes the far right stronger by doing so. I fear Trump is only the beginning.

 

[Famine]

How to win against Trump and the gang:


1. Inflation. Fight inflation with everything you got. Go after the megacorps that are bleeding us dry. Go after the people that took advantage of covid. Bring. The. Prices Down. Basically change the rules of capitalism. (Trump is not gonna do that)

Not making this your #1 priority will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

2. Migration. Look at migration and draw real conclusions. Look at what works, but also at what doesn't. It's OK if it hurts a little.

Not letting migration be a talking point let alone do something about it when it has to be done will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

3. Hate the term, but I'm about to use it: Wokeness. Plenty of things are good and right about it, but where did it go too far? No, a male boxer beating up women and and winning a gold medal at the olympics it not "beautiful" and does not have to be "celebrated", it needs to be prohibited.

Shaming people who do not buy into every aspect of "wokeness" will get you Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/Weidel/Farage and so on.

My government is currently only occupied with themselves and only makes the far right stronger by doing so. I fear Trump is only the beginning.

4. Don't let yourself be led into obvious Russian propaganda.

The "male boxer" was nothing of the sort, but was made up by a Russian agency in order to disqualify the boxer from a competition it ran (to the benefit of a boxer from a more favoured nation) and then amplified by anti-trans bodies and talking heads during the Olympics - which confirmed zero trans athletes in the whole competition. Migration is just straight Russian playbook stuff used for "the Wall" (fence) in 2016 and Brexit. As for inflation, Trump wants to stick tariffs on everything - recently saying a 100%, 200%, or 2000% tariff on cars made by US firms in Mexico - which will only drive inflation up because the cars will cost more to the consumer, because he's a ****ing moron.

 

[GlamFM]

4. Don't let yourself be led into obvious Russian propaganda.

The "male boxer" was nothing of the sort, but was made up by a Russian agency in order to disqualify the boxer from a competition it ran (to the benefit of a boxer from a more favoured nation) and then amplified by anti-trans bodies and talking heads during the Olympics - which confirmed zero trans athletes in the whole competition. Migration is just straight Russian playbook stuff used for "the Wall" (fence) in 2016 and Brexit. As for inflation, Trump wants to stick tariffs on everything - recently saying a 100%, 200%, or 2000% tariff on cars made by US firms in Mexico - which will only drive inflation up because the cars will cost more to the consumer, because he's a ****ing moron.

I mean. No reason to get into it, but the final word on the athlete certainly hasn't been spoken yet. Using my own two eyes and also reading the new reports that came out yesterday certainly point to a more complicated picture. I probably shouldn't have picked her or any specific example really. Many people don't buy into the woke movement and/or feel left behind by it.

I'm explicitly saying Trump wont fight inflation, but they think he will. That is top priority for the pople right now. Put this on #1 on your agenda or lose.

Migration (at least in Europe) is a problem and has gotten out of control in the last couple years due to all the wars in middle east.
Pretending the problem does not exist is a death wish for any (European) politician with ambitions.