2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Jezza819]

Wipe what…?

The Crimes
The Stains
The Victims Tears

All of the above. Whatever conservatives are accused of Trump will just pardon them. There might be some token convictions that get probation but I wouldn't bet a lot on it.

 

[UKMikey]

All of the above.

You mean the first two. I doubt they care about the victims.

 

[Imari]

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"I put up with this **** when I was a kid and now I want my turn to be grandpa."

 

[Scaff]

Have fun America, you're getting a National Emergence in the new year...

Trump Confirms Plans To Declare National Emergency For Mass Deportations

www.huffpost.com

 

[Liquid]

I think the way things are heading, the Statue of Liberty should be forfeited back to France.

 

[Danoff]

Have fun America, you're getting a National Emergence in the new year...

Trump Confirms Plans To Declare National Emergency For Mass Deportations

www.huffpost.com

Is this going to include human rights abuses and lots of pain for lots of people? Yes. Is it going to harm the economy? Yes. Is it going to cost a lot? Yes.

But are we going to make America great as a result?

 

[UKMikey]

Is this going to include human rights abuses and lots of pain for lots of people? Yes. Is it going to harm the economy? Yes. Is it going to cost a lot? Yes.

But are we going to make America great as a result?

MAGA: They're eating the wabbits

 

[TB]

MAGA: They're eating the wabbits ducks

 

[GranTurNismo]

This is an interesting read. While it would be quite hyperbolic to claim that Kamala Harris lost because she spent time touting the Cheneys on the campaign trail, it does symbolize a larger problem with both the Harris campaign and the Democratic Party.

Liz Cheney Was an Electoral Fiasco for Kamala Harris

Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020. And time spent with Cheney prevented Harris from reaching out to the voters she needed.

www.thenation.com

I find this paragraph especially compelling:

"Every day was precious, and every signal sent to potential voters was significant. The days spent with Cheney, and the resources expended to promote endorsements from neoconservative Republicans, cost the Democrats in significant ways. They sent a signal to potential Democratic voters, many of who recalled the Iraq War and other Cheney projects, that the focus of the campaign was on outreach to the right, They ate up time that could have been spent campaigning in union halls in working-class communities with figures such as United Auto Workers union president Shawn Fain and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. They burned up time that could have been devoted to sincere, if difficult, conversations about Gaza. They foreclosed opportunities to reach out to Latino communities in swing states. The list goes on and on"

"Moderate Republicans" simply don't exist in any sizable numbers, yet the Democratic Party has particularly relied on this myth this election cycle. I meant, the type of never-Trumper-turned-centrist hardly seems to exist outside of legacy news media altogether. Data indicates that in spite of Harris' efforts to court this group, that 94% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2024 (the same figure as in 2020), while just 9% of self-identified conservatives voted for Harris in 2024, compared to 14% of them voting for Biden in 2020. I'd even go as far to say that the current DNC modus operandi is reliant on the myth of the moderate Republican- these types are vastly overrepresented in legacy media (while the growing progressive left hardly gets any airtime, even if it is adversarial), as cynical justification to keep the party from moving leftward on economic issues and not alienating its dark-monied influences. The Democratic establishment has shown themselves to want to be a less liberal and populist party mostly due to the influence of the donor class, and the only thing holding them back from going further in this direction is the party's actual voter base. The most influential party leaders (who are still largely the same folks who ran Bill Clinton's campaign) believe the way to win is to always move right, right, right. The Democratic Party has been pushing that Trump is some sort of exception, a glitch in the system, and that if he's beaten then "the fever will break." Cuddling up to the Cheneys both moves the campaign right and reinforces this farce that Trump is different from the Republican party as, hey look, Republicans are voting for Kamala! By even painting Trump as exceptional and different from the Republican party, they made him a desirable candidate for people who hate both parties and just want to vote for an outsider.

Part of a fundamental peril the Democratic Party faces that the GOP simply doesn't, is that by being composed of competing coalitions, spending too much time messaging to one group will eventually placate others. It is reasonable to argue that the Harris campaign aggressively campaigning to a group that hardly even exists did, in fact, anger the party's more liberal base and is partially why Harris so underperformed. The electorate did not move further right, rather key Democratic constituencies did not turn out to vote for Harris. Many Democratic voters are unmotivated by the party's constant talk about compromise, unity, respectability politics, and wishy-washy messaging on nearly every issue outside of abortion, while the GOP makes no effort to have any veneer of bipartisanship and will do anything to push through its nakedly partisan and unpopular agenda. Also, Democratic voters don't see the Cheneys as role models simply for standing up to Trump, as they make no effort not to be anti-choice, anti-LGBTQ+, war hawks, etc. Who do they even appeal to? Who are these mysterious voters that like a right wing pivot by a Democrat, but don't ultimately vote for the actual right wing party?

 

[Danoff]

This is an interesting read. While it would be quite hyperbolic to claim that Kamala Harris lost because she spent time touting the Cheneys on the campaign trail, it does symbolize a larger problem with both the Harris campaign and the Democratic Party.

Liz Cheney Was an Electoral Fiasco for Kamala Harris

Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020. And time spent with Cheney prevented Harris from reaching out to the voters she needed.

www.thenation.com

I find this paragraph especially compelling:


"Moderate Republicans" simply don't exist in any sizable numbers, yet the Democratic Party has particularly relied on this myth this election cycle. I meant, the type of never-Trumper-turned-centrist hardly seems to exist outside of legacy news media altogether. Data indicates that in spite of Harris' efforts to court this group, that 94% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2024 (the same figure as in 2020), while just 9% of self-identified conservatives voted for Harris in 2024, compared to 14% of them voting for Biden in 2020. I'd even go as far to say that the current DNC modus operandi is reliant on the myth of the moderate Republican- these types are vastly overrepresented in legacy media (while the growing progressive left hardly gets any airtime, even if it is adversarial), as cynical justification to keep the party from moving leftward on economic issues and not alienating its dark-monied influences. The Democratic establishment has shown themselves to want to be a less liberal and populist party mostly due to the influence of the donor class, and the only thing holding them back from going further in this direction is the party's actual voter base. The most influential party leaders (who are still largely the same folks who ran Bill Clinton's campaign) believe the way to win is to always move right, right, right. The Democratic Party has been pushing that Trump is some sort of exception, a glitch in the system, and that if he's beaten then "the fever will break." Cuddling up to the Cheneys both moves the campaign right and reinforces this farce that Trump is different from the Republican party as, hey look, Republicans are voting for Kamala! By even painting Trump as exceptional and different from the Republican party, they made him a desirable candidate for people who hate both parties and just want to vote for an outsider.

Part of a fundamental peril the Democratic Party faces that the GOP simply doesn't, is that by being composed of competing coalitions, spending too much time messaging to one group will eventually placate others. It is reasonable to argue that the Harris campaign aggressively campaigning to a group that hardly even exists did, in fact, anger the party's more liberal base and is partially why Harris so underperformed. The electorate did not move further right, rather key Democratic constituencies did not turn out to vote for Harris. Many Democratic voters are unmotivated by the party's constant talk about compromise, unity, respectability politics, and wishy-washy messaging on nearly every issue outside of abortion, while the GOP makes no effort to have any veneer of bipartisanship and will do anything to push through its nakedly partisan and unpopular agenda. Also, Democratic voters don't see the Cheneys as role models simply for standing up to Trump, as they make no effort not to be anti-choice, anti-LGBTQ+, war hawks, etc. Who do they even appeal to? Who are these mysterious voters that like a right wing pivot by a Democrat, but don't ultimately vote for the actual right wing party?

Democrats: "We could have adjusted our message just a little bit to more perfectly capture some voters".
Trump: Simulates sex with a microphone, pontificates about Hitler.

Edit:

To be clear, if any of you are thinking that the democrats should have polished their campaign a little more to win over voters, you do not understand what happened.