2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Fezzik]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

 

[Meythia]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

I think it is:

Ukraine - my best buddy doesnt like them, he says they stole something. So because he asked me, I will not sell them anything anymore
Isreal - one of my other best buddy playgrounds, of course I will hand them every toy they want.

 

[Danoff]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

Ukraine - "I like Putin because Trump likes Putin"
Israel - "I don't like brown people"

Money and war is not really part of the thinking. That's just the public excuse.

 

[Danoff]

I just think as democratic voters (as you and I seem to be despite having opposing views on most issues), it would be irresponsible to not focus on what the Democratic party ought to change and how. Deflecting back to WHAT ABOUT THE GOP is pointless.

It's not a deflection, it's a response.

The response is that voters are not moved in the way that you think, and Trump's rambling insanity is an example of this. And it is true that voters in one bloc are not moved in the same way as voters in another. But fundamentally the idea that Harris needed to tweak a message is wrong. Voters need to learn. It's not a matter of political parties getting better at manipulating, or messaging, it's a matter of voters learning.

The problem cannot always be with leadership. I know that it's easier to point fingers and blame leadership, if only our leaders had... no. If only WE had.

If you looked at the campaign Harris ran and the campaign Trump ran and thought that the problem was with the campaign Harris ran, you weren't looking. At some point the failure of voters is so blatantly obvious that we are forced to reckon with it. This was a failure of the American people.

Let them hang themselves doing unpopular things as the Democrats can clean out their own damn house. It doesn't matter if you think Harris ran a flawless campaign or if 2024 will effectively be the last free and fair election. We have to act like the above weren't the case. To be blackpilled and say post-hoc that the Democrat would have lost anyway no matter what is just irresponsible and only facilitates the party to be encouraged to cling onto poor strategies.

The strategies weren't poor. The people were.

We, as a voting entity, failed our leadership, not the other way around. We, as a voting entity, ****** around and will find out.

I could go in to all the reasons why Americans made the wrong choice, but one of the many many reasons that they made the wrong choice is that voters on the left expect their leaders to be perfect, and align with their political desires perfectly, and if they don't, they will withhold support until that becomes the case. In refusing to compromise, they lose their only voice. This is somewhat characteristic of the left as a group, who tend to protest and argue and demand. Meanwhile, the voters on the right rallied behind the most insane choice - even for them. Christians rallying behind Trump to enact religious moral laws in the US? It's insane, but it worked. They compromised on literally everything about their leader, and look where it got them. This was not a strength of Trump, it was conviction of the voting group. It got them what they wanted, though they still do not understand why they shouldn't have wanted it. They will learn too.

The left must learn a critical lesson in all of this. Divided they fall.

That's one of just a thousand ways that the American people failed. They failed because they valued money above all else. They failed because they valued individuality over team. They failed because they don't understand how to even be a team or motivate. They failed because they don't understand leadership. The number of ways that the people failed is many, and it is cultural, and it has been brewing for a long time.

What was made abundantly clear during this election - this country has lost its way, abandoned its principles, sacrificed its character.

 

[Meythia]

Meanwhile, the voters on the right rallied behind the most insane choice - even for them.

That is going to repeat whenever there is a rightwing choice, because this is how rightwing voters mindset ticks.
Can take a look around the globe and it happens pretty much everywhere, just with a few spots of resistance.