27 year old man convicted of a sickening crime

[Submerged]

Hello everyone,

This has been doing the rounds on BBC News and probably will soon go around the world at some point.

This is the news article in question: 35 year jail sentence, longest in recent memory?

Basically, a man decided to have sex with a 19 year old pregnant woman, two weeks before the birth. However, the man was a cousin of the current boyfriend and knew that the woman wouldn't agree to the act, so basically pretty much raped the woman, slit her throat, stabbed her again in the stomach (killing the unborn baby) and set fire to her bedroom.

After that, he went to a house party where the boyfriend was and showed no real emotion. Three days later, even gave them flowers in her memory.

The interesting fact was the conviction stage, he was convicted of arson, murder, rape and child destruction.

Child destruction basically refers to a case where someone has killed a pregnant woman and also the unborn baby as well, so it is another way of saying a double murder has occurred. However, the way the BBC News correspondence was explaining it, kinda sounded like "child destruction" charges could be levied towards doctors performing abortion as well. I think they need to word it a bit clearer...

Still, a awful, awful thing to have done

 

[t3hgt3ftw1n]

That is just cynical!. If I were the judge, I would put him on death row. No man/woman on Earth should commit such horrendous acts. 35 years isn't enough for a maniac like this.

 

[berty1979]

What a sick freak, death penalty would apply if it were possible.
I have never heard of 'child destruction' if it carries the same sentence as murder then I guess its just a different name. No comment on the abortion thing, I am avoiding that one with a 90 foot barge pole

 

[acascianelli]

How do you feel about that abolished death penalty now?

 

[TankAss95]

People who do that kind of stuff must be insane. I can't see why a normal, healthy person would be able to commit an act like this.

 

[berty1979]

We should bring back the death penalty in my opinion but limit the amount of appeals that can be lodged and set a maximum time between sentencing and carrying out the sentence.
As a legal expert (sarcasm) I would suggest 2 appeals and 2 years.
Methods could be lethal injection or a single bullet to the head 👍

 

[acascianelli]

...Methods could be lethal injection or a single bullet to the head 👍

This person does not deserve to die peacefully.

 

[Submerged]

How do you feel about that abolished death penalty now?

I don't feel anything about the "abolished" death penalty.

Also, its not in the spirit of this topic to go over reasons why people want the death penalty and why its actually not worth having the death penalty (people still commit horrendous crimes even with the death penalty).

This thread was set up to make people aware of this news article, as well as the fact that a judge saw fit to give a 35 years jail sentence which is almost unheard of in British law (as far as I know). Additionally, the "child destruction" charge was only highlighted by me as I first heard it explained on BBC News 24 and I felt they mis-worded it slightly that could also mean that doctors who performed abortion could come under that charge as well (which, as far as I understand, they aren't liable for that charge due to an 1967 Abortion Act <Wikipedia>).

 

[acascianelli]

I don't feel anything about the "abolished" death penalty.

Also, its not in the spirit of this topic to go over reasons why people want the death penalty and why its actually not worth having the death penalty (people still commit horrendous crimes even with the death penalty).

This thread was set up to make people aware of this news article, as well as the fact that a judge saw fit to give a 35 years jail sentence which is almost unheard of in British law (as far as I know). Additionally, the "child destruction" charge was only highlighted by me as I first heard it explained on BBC News 24 and I felt they mis-worded it slightly that could also mean that doctors who performed abortion could come under that charge as well (which, as far as I understand, they aren't liable for that charge due to an 1967 Abortion Act <Wikipedia>).

I apologize, I didn't indent to hijack your thread. I was just disturbed from reading about the crime.

 

[Ibonibo]

How do you feel about that abolished death penalty now?

Still good, if we see how Texas handels them, I am happy that in Europe there is no more of this.
This discussion though is for the other thread. Some people would deserve to die, but that is not our choice to make.

This person does not deserve to die peacefully.

And that is why we don't have it anymore. What do you want to do with him. Human centipede?

 

[berty1979]

acascianelli
This person does not deserve to die peacefully

You are right but removing them from the population is the main point here

Sorry submerged, I shall not mention the death penalty again

 

[Submerged]

I do not mind people saying: "oh, death is only good for this person now!"

or:

"Wish we had the death penalty"

As it is your current opinion at the time and is what this thread is for, for members to state their opinions on the topic at hand or present some well thought out opinions on some questions that I've asked in the original post (about child destruction charge).

But when it is phrased as: "How do you feel about the abolished death penalty now?" isn't what this thread is about. There is another thread for that. Additionally, each country has different laws that will always seem alien to the other countries when it comes to muder, rape, pimping and so on.

Edit:

I apologize, I didn't indent to hijack your thread. I was just disturbed from reading about the crime.

That's fine, its now understandable why you responded the way you did. It wasn't clear from the original post you made what you were actually feeling at the time and why you presented it as you did. Sometimes a little bit more expression or statements of what you are thinking at the time will help to get your point across and present it in a more understandable light

 

[sumbrownkid]

What a horrible, horrible turn of events for that family.

That child and mother deserve justice.

 

[Submerged]

No doubt that the guy will have to be sectioned away from the other prisoners, as I'm sure that most of the prison population would like to teach him a thing or two...

 

[PeterJB]

How do you feel about that abolished death penalty now?

I am unmoved. While I in no way condone capital punishment, I would be more than happy to see this man locked away for the rest of his life.

 

[Sam48]

I am unmoved. While I in no way condone capital punishment, I would be more than happy to see this man locked away for the rest of his life.

I would agree with that. In my opinion, being locked up for life is worse than the death penalty.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

I remember when this happened. Extremely rough area and it didn't really surprise me that it happened.

The sad thing is that everyone will have to pay thousands of pounds to look after him in jail now.

 

[Crumpet]

No need to execute someone about it.. Such is inhumane.. It is a shame, yes.. But we'll always have certain people like this in our society..

Jail is harsh enough, you sleep next to your own toilet.. He should keep a lid on his wrongdoings while in Prison, as it won't settle with the other inmates..

 

[Slash]

I'd inject him with Boomslang venom...you do not want to know what happens if that gets into your system...

 

[Submerged]

One thing that I found surprising about the decision, was that it was 35 years, not the standard 25 years of life imprisonment.

Is there other cases when there has been a decision of more than 25 years for a life imprisonment in British law in recent times?

It also sounds like the jailed person probably had some mental issues....

 

[Tired Tyres]

He was given life with a minimum of 35 years behind bars. A 25 year sentence for murder could see you released after about 15 years.

 

[mattythedog]

What I don't get is why it's life imprisonment, with a minimum of 35 years. With the crime he committed, he should be in prison until he dies, not potentially released on good behaviour in 35 years. Life should be life!

 

[Tired Tyres]

Given our distinctly Victorian attitudes to prison I personally doubt he will live anywhere near that long.

 

[Sphinx]

Jail is harsh enough, you sleep next to your own toilet.. He should keep a lid on his wrongdoings while in Prison, as it won't settle with the other inmates..

They should try flushing it afterwards, but if they still slop out, then putting a lid on it would be the best way to go IMO. If I were his cell mate I know that I wouldn't be able settle if he didn't.



The judge called him 'calculating', but he wasn't very calculating when it came to disposing of evidence in order to cover his tracks.

How do you feel about that abolished death penalty now?

"Let him have it, Chris!"

 

[Liquid]

Given our distinctly Victorian attitudes to prison I personally doubt he will live anywhere near that long.

We no longer have victorian attitudes towards prison otherwise life would be life, there would be a distinct lack of rehabilitation and paedophiles wouldn't accidentally be released early.

Because of things such as recognition of human rights we're not allowed to simply lock people in a hole and throw away the key, even if we want to.

 

[Coxis]

Isn't 35 years way too lenient considering the crime? The guy is 27, he'll be 62 by the time he's released...

 

[Sphinx]

Isn't 35 years way too lenient considering the crime? The guy is 27, he'll be 62 by the time he's released...

35 years minimum.

 

[Liquid]

Isn't 35 years way too lenient considering the crime? The guy is 27, he'll be 62 by the time he's released...

'Life sentence' does mean life sentence in English/Welsh courts but by law there is a minimum term to be served before the prisoner can apply for parole. However in exceptional cases life can mean forever if the judge decrees the sentence a 'whole life order'.

Tree'd by Sphinx.

 

[Gdog96]

It's times like this I wish I was a judge.

 

[Encyclopedia]

That's awful.