6 wheel F1 Williams

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Iv´e read that williams ´s gonna build a test model of a 6 wheel f1.

why don´t you hype a bit of this thread?:P
 
Zoxxy, are you talking about that article in Aftonbladet? if so, an ignorant journalist who knows dik about F1 wrote that one.

Williams made a computer model of a car w 2 pairs of back wheels, the vacuum-skirts previously used and a lot of other banned stuff. Theoretically it could hold up to 10 g laterally.

The only problem is that Aftonbladet, swedens biggest daily paper publiced it as a car williams is about to build for racing in F1.

Idiots, I say that they are idiots to publish something like that.
 
Particularly since the F1 technical regulations expressly limit the number of wheels at four (Article 12.2 of the regulations).
 
Six+ wheel cars are banned in F1 and have been for a long time. Williams built a 6 wheel car, a 2-4-0 type with 4 wheels at the back, back in the early eighties. The car was quick in testing but the ban came in before they got near racing it.

I don't see why Williams would build another now, what would be the point?

Anyway, a few years ago Williams ran the six wheeler at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, and the car set a new record up the hill. It has been beaten since.
 
this car was designed for f1racing magazine

it had a lot of illegal things besides the six wheels. active suspension etc.

also, it would be hard to find a driver who can cope with thosae types of g forces. 6g cornering 10g braking. only the REALLY fit drivers like Webber and Schumacher might be able to drive the car
 
Was in the November issue of F1 Racing, it would lap Silverstone in just over a minute
If only the design rules were not limited...
 
Originally posted by Bollocks#999
Was in the November issue of F1 Racing, it would lap Silverstone in just over a minute
If only the design rules were not limited...

December 2003 Issue
 
Originally posted by GTJugend
Zoxxy, are you talking about that article in Aftonbladet? if so, an ignorant journalist who knows dik about F1 wrote that one.

Williams made a computer model of a car w 2 pairs of back wheels, the vacuum-skirts previously used and a lot of other banned stuff. Theoretically it could hold up to 10 g laterally.

The only problem is that Aftonbladet, swedens biggest daily paper publiced it as a car williams is about to build for racing in F1.

Idiots, I say that they are idiots to publish something like that.

ahhhh...ok:D
 
You never know, they might make it a 2 seater and run it like the renault Espace F1, a special treat to those generous enough to sponsor them.
 
No one remembers the Tyrell P34? I believe Williams had a 6 wheeler too, back when they had TAG engines, and were sponsored by SaudiAir.
 
Originally posted by Bollocks#999
Was in the November issue of F1 Racing, it would lap Silverstone in just over a minute
If only the design rules were not limited...

...and where, praytell, would one be able to sit in a grandstand and watch said event. Three or four miles away?
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
No one remembers the Tyrell P34? I believe Williams had a 6 wheeler too, back when they had TAG engines, and were sponsored by SaudiAir.

Indeed I remember the P34, the Williams which had a Ford Cosworth DFV engine and was based on the FW08. The other F1 6-wheeler was the March, which saw the light of day (on a test only) in 1977.

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The Williams and March (like the new Williams) were technically more challenging than the P34 Tyrrell because they were four wheel drive. But the Tyrrell was the one that actually raced, scoring a 1-2 at Anderstorp in 1976, and numberous other podiums that year.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
...and where, praytell, would one be able to sit in a grandstand and watch said event. Three or four miles away?

If it was in Aus. yes, with the fences having been moved further and further back here:mad: the only good spot is in a grandstand, but if you cant afford a grandstand ticket (like myself) then ya get to look through a 5 metre high fence, makes for crap photos:irked:
 
What is gained with the extra axel? I'm afraid I don't understand the benefit. They're adding quite a lot of weight and mechanical drag just to get a little more rubber on the track.
 
Originally posted by Bollocks#999
If it was in Aus. yes, with the fences having been moved further and further back here:mad: the only good spot is in a grandstand, but if you cant afford a grandstand ticket (like myself) then ya get to look through a 5 metre high fence, makes for crap photos:irked:

Well, having been to races in Australia and Silverstone, I feel I can comment on this one: Yes, Vat, I think the Stowe grandstand would probably be in Warwickshire. But Bollocks, I don't think the Albert Park grandstands would move. However, the fencing would be upgraded to the point that it was primarily comprised of rail lines held together with roof support joists. I would imagine the view would be similar to that out of a 14th Century castle.
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
What is gained with the extra axel? I'm afraid I don't understand the benefit. They're adding quite a lot of weight and mechanical drag just to get a little more rubber on the track.

Traction. The increase in contact patch would be sufficiently significant that it would be worth it. Also, with the car running active suspension, plus the aerodynamic load from the skirts (think in terms of tons, rather than kilos of downforce) would allow a serious quantity of grip.

The weight issue is taken care of by the fact that the thing is already significantly underweight, so they have room to spare, and the driveshafts and hubs probably aren't that heavy anyway.
 
Why is it still using grooved tyres and not slicks?

I've seen F1 wheels for sale and the advert always says, "you won't believe how light they are."
 
Interesting. So there's insignificant weight added by this. Cool.

Next question, are the rear axels fixed or do they have a touch of steering control to them? Seems like you could rip through some tires pretty quick in the corners if the wheels weren't angling a bit.
 
I can see I'm going to have to find the magazine with the original article in it!

The grooved tyres are, I believe, because of the constriction that engine and tyres would remain untouched.

Yep. I think the driveshafts are less than a pound each. Although the tyres are actually quite heavy. I would imagine that all six wheels would have some form of active steering, probably though toe control in the active suspension.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Well, having been to races in Australia and Silverstone, I feel I can comment on this one: Yes, Vat, I think the Stowe grandstand would probably be in Warwickshire. But Bollocks, I don't think the Albert Park grandstands would move. However, the fencing would be upgraded to the point that it was primarily comprised of rail lines held together with roof support joists. I would imagine the view would be similar to that out of a 14th Century castle.

:lol:

Wouldnt make for a good viewing opportunity then, is what your saying?

...I'd still go but
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
What is gained with the extra axel? I'm afraid I don't understand the benefit. They're adding quite a lot of weight and mechanical drag just to get a little more rubber on the track.

Adding to the other said I read that the 2:nd rear tyre would have advantage of being able to have a slick tyre in rain, the first 2 removes so much of the water to make it possible - lots of traction in wet conditions.
 
Although they'd need an extra 6 men in the pits, which would get a bit crowded, or make the rear wheelmen do twice the work, which would waste time.
 
There was a real 6-wheel Williams made in the off-season of 1981-82. It never raced. I've heard all sorts of reasons why it didn't make it, some saying it was too fast, or too slow, whatever.

But in the end, the FIA doth say, formula one racing cars could only have 4 wheels, the number of wheels shall be four...six is right out.
 

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Originally posted by pupik
But in the end, the FIA doth say, formula one racing cars could only have 4 wheels, the number of wheels shall be four...six is right out.
:lol: :lol: 4 wheels, no more, no less.
 
that middle eastern sultan (sultan of brunei?) (the one with the car obssession) I heard he had a 6 wheel ferrari. But he could probably get a 6 wheel anything, what with the money he had.
 
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