'69 Camaro for the Camaro-only race

[Big Nate]

I was browsing around and noticed the "all Camero" race under the American cars section, so I decided what the hey. I ended up buying the '69 Camero for it that's listed in the "Classics" section.

I first tried the race stock, with no mods, and could barely maintain 5th place, with the 1st thru 3rd cars leaving me far behind. So, I went to the tune shop and dumped a load of money on it, putting in a Stage-4 Turbo and pretty much the works otherwise, triple clutch, racing flywheel, port polish, racing chip, racing brakes with computer, LSD, 2nd stage weight reduction, even nitrous.

Then, I went back to race. The thing redlined out at 110-112 mph! I couldn't push it past that, at all, not to mention it wouldnt' corner. Now, I realize that I probably over did things, and that taking it back down some on the hp would fix some stuff, but what I'm really wondering is: is the '69 Camero even capable of winning this race? If so, what kind of tuning would I need to do in order to set it up to win?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Buy the fully adjustable transmission for $10,000. That will give you a 5th gear and you can do well over 200mph. (wish it would have been 6 but oh well) I crushed that entire event with my 69 Camaro.
At first I hated how the car handled then with a little work and the LSD I was able to get this car dialed in quite well. Still not an excellent handling car at all but its decent with some work. HAVE to have the fully adjustable LSD or this car is impossible to drive.

 

[Big Nate]

Man, I could have sworn I bought that tranny, cause I'm fairly certain I remember seeing it go to 5th gear. Did you tune the gear ratios at all? Also, with the LSD, what kind of settings do you recommend, or did you just drop it in and it's all good? I'll mess with it tonight, something's for sure wrong with mine hehe. Thanks for the tips!

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

If you do have the 5 speed tranny then just set the finaly setting to 13 or 14 something like that. Oh I think I set the LSD to around 20 for the torque.

 

[Carl.]

Is it the 69 Z28 or the 69 SS that you bought? Winning with a stock Z28 looks incredibly hard, if not impossible, but I did Midfield with a stock SS (only oil change), and it was an easy win. The SS seems to handle torque a lot better than the Z28, which in my tuned version spins like hell, even it 3th or 4th gear.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I bought the SS since I own an SS/RS in real life. Im actually surprised they didnt have the RS like in GT2 but oh well im happy to see the 69 Camaro in here.

 

[krabs]

Buy the fully adjustable transmission for $10,000. That will give you a 5th gear and you can do well over 200mph. (wish it would have been 6 but oh well) I crushed that entire event with my 69 Camaro.
At first I hated how the car handled then with a little work and the LSD I was able to get this car dialed in quite well. Still not an excellent handling car at all but its decent with some work. HAVE to have the fully adjustable LSD or this car is impossible to drive.

Buy a Viper its insane

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Buy a Viper its insane

A viper for a Camaro race. Nice reply. 👎

 

[krabs]

I almost hit 300mph but i cant reach it! Any Tips?????

 

[Carl.]

I bought the SS since I own an SS/RS in real life.

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Yup, really nice ride! What color will it be?

I also tried Midfield with the Iroc prize car, a bit more challenging but still easy, gives a lot more of A-Spec points. It's feels like finally driving the 89 Trans-Am GTA that my father sold just a few days before I got my license back in 95 (picture a very pissed-off teenager there)

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[JParker]

Is it the 69 Z28 or the 69 SS that you bought? Winning with a stock Z28 looks incredibly hard, if not impossible, but I did Midfield with a stock SS (only oil change), and it was an easy win. The SS seems to handle torque a lot better than the Z28, which in my tuned version spins like hell, even it 3th or 4th gear.

Hey JP, did you try any tuning with the Z version? I also bought the '69 Z-28, initially for the Professional Classics race and planned to also use it in the Camaro race. This thing oversteers like crazy. If so could you post some settings or at least some good pointers. I've bought pretty much everything, but didn't max out hp, I'm in the mid to high 400's.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

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Yup, really nice ride! What color will it be?
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It will be silver with silver pearl in the clear coat. no stripes. I already bought the clear coat for it and the pearl but I ended up spraying the gallon of clear onto my friends car over the weekend. He bought it from me since I was painting his car.

 

[Carl.]

Hey JP, did you try any tuning with the Z version? I also bought the '69 Z-28, initially for the Professional Classics race and planned to also use it in the Camaro race. This thing oversteers like crazy. If so could you post some settings or at least some good pointers. I've bought pretty much everything, but didn't max out hp, I'm in the mid to high 400's.

I upgraded my Z28, but didn't really bother to fine-tune the thing after trying the SS. The upgraded Z was powerful (in fact too much for the car), and the rear wheels were very eager for a spin at any speeds. I'm not that good with tuning, but first I'd try to soften rear / tighten front suspension a bit to see if it improves handling, and perhaps using a 1.5 way LSD. Using TCS would probably help a lot, but I try to keep it off for all of my cars under 5-600 hp.

@CAMAROBOY69: Silver's all good. Looking forwards for the updated pics!

 

[Carl.]

Winning with a stock Z28 looks incredibly hard, if not impossible.

I fully retract that statement, I tried again and won at El Capitain with a 12s lead with one. First thing I'll do is to tune down your Z28 to a something the chassis can easily cope with, that alone was the issue for mine. It still requires to be driven smoothly, but it's not that hard, and far from undriveable.

 

[Big Nate]

If you do have the 5 speed tranny then just set the finaly setting to 13 or 14 something like that. Oh I think I set the LSD to around 20 for the torque.

Ok, this was totally my problem. I set the tranny to 13 (auto) and it worked flawlessly. It now maxes out at around 170 mph or so, more than enough to beat the Camero race, and I've started it going through the American Muscle Car race series, completed the first one but I was having trouble with the 2nd at Infineon last night, the car gets loose easy on the corners so I have to watch it. I'm sure I'll complete it fine tonight, was driving sleepy last night heh.

In addition to the transmission, I also set the LSD torque to 20 like you suggested, and lowered the car to 110 both front and rear. I also set the spring Bound to 5 (I think it was) and left the Rebound to 8. It hugs the corners well, but as I said I would lose the backend sometimes, but that's probably just me giving too much gas too soon. I need to lower the weight some more me thinks (currently at stage 2) and possibly stiffen the bar some. I'm also going to try lowering it all the way to see what that does, but I might get too much bounce.

I'll let you all know, if you are interested. The '69 Camero SS has turned into my pet project hehe, even though I won't be using it for many races (because of restrictions).

 

[JParker]

Ok, this was totally my problem. I set the tranny to 13 (auto) and it worked flawlessly. It now maxes out at around 170 mph or so, more than enough to beat the Camero race, and I've started it going through the American Muscle Car race series, completed the first one but I was having trouble with the 2nd at Infineon last night, the car gets loose easy on the corners so I have to watch it. I'm sure I'll complete it fine tonight, was driving sleepy last night heh.

In addition to the transmission, I also set the LSD torque to 20 like you suggested, and lowered the car to 110 both front and rear. I also set the spring Bound to 5 (I think it was) and left the Rebound to 8. It hugs the corners well, but as I said I would lose the backend sometimes, but that's probably just me giving too much gas too soon. I need to lower the weight some more me thinks (currently at stage 2) and possibly stiffen the bar some. I'm also going to try lowering it all the way to see what that does, but I might get too much bounce.

I'll let you all know, if you are interested. The '69 Camero SS has turned into my pet project hehe, even though I won't be using it for many races (because of restrictions).

Although I used the Z instead of the SS they should be comparable. I left the front near defaults with the following exceptions; camber 2.3, height 110, bound 7, toe =+/-1 cant remember (out), but went pretty radical on the rear; 2 clicks off the springs, height 90, bound 4, rebound 5, stabilizer 3, camber 2.0, toe +/-1 cant remember, and for the LSD; raised intial torque to 20, lowered decel effect by 5, ratios added I think 3 clicks to auto, and raised final gear by around 100-150.
The car handled quite well, considering the spin monster it starts out at. Setting up corners was still quite sticky. Throttle control is a must. I don't think its possible to get rid of the oversteer in corner acceleration. With 1 click of ASM oversteer, and 3 clicks of TCS, it is however almost eliminated. My Z by the way is fully tuned, all mods including stiffening (was hoping to help with oversteer, by inducing a little understeer) no such luck. It is in the low to mid 400Hp range.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Ok, this was totally my problem. I set the tranny to 13 (auto) and it worked flawlessly. It now maxes out at around 170 mph or so, more than enough to beat the Camero race, and I've started it going through the American Muscle Car race series, completed the first one but I was having trouble with the 2nd at Infineon last night, the car gets loose easy on the corners so I have to watch it. I'm sure I'll complete it fine tonight, was driving sleepy last night heh.

In addition to the transmission, I also set the LSD torque to 20 like you suggested, and lowered the car to 110 both front and rear. I also set the spring Bound to 5 (I think it was) and left the Rebound to 8. It hugs the corners well, but as I said I would lose the backend sometimes, but that's probably just me giving too much gas too soon. I need to lower the weight some more me thinks (currently at stage 2) and possibly stiffen the bar some. I'm also going to try lowering it all the way to see what that does, but I might get too much bounce.

I'll let you all know, if you are interested. The '69 Camero SS has turned into my pet project hehe, even though I won't be using it for many races (because of restrictions).

Oh yeah the Camaro HAS to be at stage 3 weight reduction. Glad to hear the other adjustments helped you out. I lowerd mine all the way down for the look and the performance advantage. I believe mine is around 500HP. I think too much more than than and you will eat off tires. I used my Camaro for one of the endurance races yesterday.
The Camaro sure sounds like a ricer though. Not like the hardcore muscle sound that my real life Camaro has with the Flowmasters.
I also recorded the pic stop that the Camaro did yesterday during an endurance race. I will eventually post it.

 

[JParker]

Oh yeah the Camaro HAS to be at stage 3 weight reduction. Glad to hear the other adjustments helped you out. I lowerd mine all the way down for the look and the performance advantage. I believe mine is around 500HP. I think too much more than than and you will eat off tires. I used my Camaro for one of the endurance races yesterday.
The Camaro sure sounds like a ricer though. Not like the hardcore muscle sound that my real life Camaro has with the Flowmasters.
I also recorded the pic stop that the Camaro did yesterday during an endurance race. I will eventually post it.

I was also disappointed in the sound. I was expecting a nice deep rumble and boys was I wrong. The thing sounds like the V6 in my Toyota 4x4. Lowering the rear more than the front and extreme softening of the rear suspension was key. The big camber at the rear seemed to help with the high speed subtle turns at the Ring. Before when simply navigating slight curves at high speeds the rear was EXTREMELY loose.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here are my setting for the 69 Camaro. These might not work for everyone but they should be a great help to some of you.

Buy all 3 stages of lightweight
-weight 1190
-519hp and nitros (set nitros low or you will fry tires quicker 20-30 range)
-NA stage 3
-sports chip

Brake controller setting
-17 front------16rear

-Triple clutch
-racing flywheel
-carbon driveshaft

-Suspension settings
-----------front--------------rear--------
Spring rate 7.0----spring rate 7.0
ride height 94-------ride height 94
shock bound 8---------------------8
rebound----- 9---------------------9
camber angle 2--------camber angle 1
toe--------------0-------------------0
stabalizers-----7------------------7


Full customize Transmission
Final 3.89
Auto 13

Full customize Limitied-slip
Initial torque 20
accelerator 40
Decelerator 23

driving aids 9,9,4 these could be adjusted down a little. mabey 8,8,4

 

[JParker]

Just to confirm the settings I posted above. I completed the Pro. Classics, Camaro race, Muscle Car Championship, and Sportscar Championship last night. The only change I made to the settings above was that I removed all of the ASM, Lowered the front to 105, and took the Auto tranny setting to 14, with a 38XX final gear. I kept 4 TCS. The oversteer is all but gone, I'm guessing thanks to the TCS. Front toe is -1 and rear is +1. I'm going to test it tonight with lower TCS settings to confirm oversteer handling improvements.
If anyone would like, I'll jot down the complete settings tonight and post tomorrow.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

nevermind I thought you were using my settings..

 

[Big Nate]

Here are my setting for the 69 Camaro. These might not work for everyone but they should be a great help to some of you.

Buy all 3 stages of lightweight
-weight 1190
-519hp and nitros (set nitros low or you will fry tires quicker 20-30 range)
-NA stage 3
-sports chip

Brake controller setting
-17 front------16rear

-Triple clutch
-racing flywheel
-carbon driveshaft

-Suspension settings
-----------front--------------rear--------
Spring rate 7.0----spring rate 7.0
ride height 94-------ride height 94
shock bound 8---------------------8
rebound----- 9---------------------9
camber angle 2--------camber angle 1
toe--------------0-------------------0
stabalizers-----7------------------7


Full customize Transmission
Final 3.89
Auto 13

Full customize Limitied-slip
Initial torque 20
accelerator 40
Decelerator 23

driving aids 9,9,4 these could be adjusted down a little. mabey 8,8,4

Tried these last night, and they worked great! I did remove all of the ASM though, for whatever reason I just can't get used to driving with it on. Everything else I kept them same and blazed through the American Muscle Car races. Great job dude!

 

[PARAGON GT]

Sorry to dig up a thread from the distant past.

But I didn't want to start up a new thread to be told to search.

Can anyone tell me Which is the better of the two '69 Camaro's?

I under stand that better is a relative term when discussing the cars in this game. But I would like to know which has the better building potential.

I have messed with both cars. Both of which were stock.

But I can't decide which one to build.

Which one can produce the most HP?

Which one can shed the most pounds?

And best of all . . . Why is the 302 in the Z-28 putting out more power than the 350 in the SS?

*EDIT* - Doh!! Ok, I'm a tool box.

I was compairing a stock SS to a not quite stock Z-28. I didn't notice the port polish / engine balance at the bottom of the screen which would explain why the Z had more power than My stock SS had.

 

[dudejo]

a good inexpensive mod for the muscle cars is the 1-way differential.

that alone makes throttle control a LOT easier.

followed by, of course, the custom gearbox.

the rest is up to your tastes.

though if i can recommend something, widen the gears if the car spins too much out of slow corners.