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Too bad there are these things called laptops
6th Gen Chevrolet Camaro: 2017 ZL1, Z/28
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Too bad there are these things called laptops
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What happened to the good old days where portable computers were a niche, NOW LOOK, now they're the norm and true desktop enthusiasts are being shoved into the cold by manufacturers.
I don't want some sissy computer.
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Please guys, I'm eating I don't need to laugh this much, I'll get a stomach ache.
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And nobody buys an iMac, MacBook or iPad for the shiny aluminum casing. Or the brand heritage*.
These are computers built by
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- Noob616
By this logic your car is only as fun to drive as the road it's on. My computer is fun to use in and of itself. The desktop I built myself is much more fun to use for web browsing than any other computer I've used. People I know complement it as well, I chose a unique case and it looks different than most desktops.
People buy computers for their inherent characteristics and looks all the time. You don't know what you're talking about, you know as much about computers as the liberals you hate do about cars. I'm not judging you for that either, you don't need to know all the geeky details to use them. Just like you don't need to know every detail about a car to use it.
Wow that never crossed my mind!
Grasping at straws man, you're missing the point. A computer is something central to your life and would be a necessity for your mission to eradicate animated equines. All you know about the most important piece of hardware in it, is that it's an "Intel something". How can you justify your opinions on people using cars as appliances, while you have barely a cursory understanding of the computer you use to write your posts on.
Tinkering with my computer, adjusting settings, adding new parts, and keeping it maintained is a fun hobby for me. I selected all the parts myself and made sure they all fit my needs and struck a good balance of price, performance, and reliability for what I wanted to use it for. Most people I know don't care about any of that. They buy a computer based on price, brand, sometimes hard drive space, they'll get something like an Alienware if they want to play games, or they'll buy Macbooks for the design and the brand's reputation. They buy a new one when it breaks and continue doing the same thing.
I don't care. It's their money and they don't care about how it works, they only care about what they can use it for. They're knowledgeable about other things that I don't know about. Different strokes for different folks man, if everyone were interested in what they own as much as you are in your car or I am in my computer, nobody would have any time.
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Nothing beats sliding beads up and down rails to run calculations. Nothing. It is a completely analog and pure experience.
These circuit boards and nano-whats and mega-somethings need to stop. All anyone ones needs is a wood frame, 10 rails, and a few dozen beads. Period. This sissification of math needs to stop and you're just part of the problem, @Noob616.
@White & Nerdy - Do you prefer analog or digital clock faces?
These circuit boards and nano-whats and mega-somethings need to stop. All anyone ones needs is a wood frame, 10 rails, and a few dozen beads. Period. This sissification of math needs to stop and you're just part of the problem, @Noob616.
@White & Nerdy - Do you prefer analog or digital clock faces?
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Don't really have that much of a preference, but if I were looking for a watch I'd want one with an analog face. (Think you pretty much got me on this one).
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Finally considering that was the point, you don't care...
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If only got anything anyone else said, ever.
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More about the looks thing. Classic-looking analog watch for me, please. Although I don't really have any reason to buy one at all at this point.
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Lemme guess, because you own a phone?
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Not just a phone. I'm surrounded by clocks nearly every waking moment, in my car, on my phone, computer, playstation, oven, and probably some I'm missing, not to mention the one that's just a clock. Business establishments pretty much have to have clocks. And if I don't have my phone with me, someone else does. Why bother spending several hundred dollars just to stick another one on my wrist?
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Because the watch is the essential "man" accessory. At least a few decades ago, which you seem to idolize. And they don't cost hundreds of dollars. Well, unless you want a decent self-winding, but I suspect you don't care about such an exceedingly complex device with all its small, unmanly gears and fiddle bits.
All that aside, you seem to be missing the point, as usual. And the point being that everything changes yet you are so convinced what you pick and choose to accept is the only acceptable option.
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And yet my 40 year old, not yet good looking, meh sounding slow Fiat did the exact same thing from numerous people when I took it out. Likely due to the 1600cc I-4, I'm sure.
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@White & Nerdy
*facedesk*
*facedesk*
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Most people think that owners of good-looking, loud, fast cars are douche-canoes and will comment as such.
Computers can also be immensely fun to use, I mean don't you have fun coming to GTP night after night going on and on about your pursuit of manly men?
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Why buy a four cylinder Camaro - price notwithstanding - and not the I4 BMW equivalent? The driving experience is likely to be better, it'll be better built, the engine and exhaust will likely bore you too. I drive a four cylinder every day, I hear them every day. Using the I4 in a style of car sold to the world with big displacement V8s whilst Europe and Japan were developing smaller displacement coupes is not the Muscle Car the world needs. Without a V8, the world doesn't need muscle cars full stop.
Instead of doing what everyone else does, do your own dang thing, do it right and do it well.
Instead of doing what everyone else does, do your own dang thing, do it right and do it well.
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If we're all throwing in our two cents, I'd say that I actually agree with @VXR above.
Here in the UK, we don't get muscle cars/pony cars, at least not through any easily-accessible channel. But throwing a four-cylinder in there wouldn't convince me to buy one if and when we did get them.
For me, the appeal of a muscle car or pony car is the V8 engine. I already have thousands of different four-cylinder options available to me. If I wanted something that was fast and had four cylinders, I'd get one of them - it'd almost certainly suit our roads better than a pony car with a four-pot dropped in at the behest of emissions regs, regardless of how powerful it was. If I was going to buy a Mustang or Camaro, make mine a V8 please.
I certainly don't agree with all the meat-headed anti-four cylinder sentiment that some people on this forum display but I can totally understand the desire to hang onto V8s in cars that were basically designed around such engines.
Design, incidentally, is a totally different argument for me. The retro re-hash thing is getting a bit old now.
Here in the UK, we don't get muscle cars/pony cars, at least not through any easily-accessible channel. But throwing a four-cylinder in there wouldn't convince me to buy one if and when we did get them.
For me, the appeal of a muscle car or pony car is the V8 engine. I already have thousands of different four-cylinder options available to me. If I wanted something that was fast and had four cylinders, I'd get one of them - it'd almost certainly suit our roads better than a pony car with a four-pot dropped in at the behest of emissions regs, regardless of how powerful it was. If I was going to buy a Mustang or Camaro, make mine a V8 please.
I certainly don't agree with all the meat-headed anti-four cylinder sentiment that some people on this forum display but I can totally understand the desire to hang onto V8s in cars that were basically designed around such engines.
Design, incidentally, is a totally different argument for me. The retro re-hash thing is getting a bit old now.
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We didn't have rails in my days, you just stacked up the stones, grunted and pointed. If you were lucky, you could use the same number of fingers to come to an agreement. Due to their unique nature and shape, the stones would sometimes fall over, which is why we get the term stack overflow. Also, why Chevy used the ad campaign "Like A Rock".
Anyhow, these latest Camaro drawings are phantasmagorically ugly, and it reminds me of the half-ass design language of the last-gen Monte Carlo, but updated to look more outdated.
Look, Chevrolet...even Buick realized you can't court the 50 to 70-year-demographic forever. You need to start making your product attractive to the 18-34 crowd (okay, skip the 18-21 year olds - 99.5% of them don't have any money, anyhow), who doesn't care about the 1970s, which provided exactly squat towards society's cultural contributions*, let alone one that harkens back to one of the bleakest decades of road car performance and design.
Want to offer a V8...excellent! But you need to offer something more than just a beefed up vehicle which you can barely see over the steering wheel if you're not 6'2". And please fire whomever though the 2013 models needed a re-design to look more utilitarian, or send his resume to IKEA or HON Office Products.
Go find new roads, Chevy.
* Except Monty Python and Led Zeppelin, but they weren't American. Come to think of it, Lotuses were pretty interesting at the time.
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In the long-term, I think a lot of this will depend on whether or not GM actually decides to make Chevrolet a true global brand or not. With them buying up advertising space on the Manchester United jerseys this season, this leads me to believe that Chevrolet will try to evolve their lineup for global appeal, but that will likely be limited to the Spark/Sonic/Cruze/Malibu at the moment. Still, halo cars like the Camaro and Corvette bring people into the dealers, and if the Mustang is going global, GM really can't afford to not fight in that market.
Its a frustrating time to be a Chevrolet fan. For every new product that makes me excited and want to race down to the dealer to give them a down payment, the lot is saddled with products that are either out of date, or were never ready for prime time despite their release. When their best products are on opposite ends of the spectrum (C7, Tahoe, Sonic and Impala), it makes for a weird shopping environment when they can't push the bread-and-butter vehicles to a regular shopper. Compare it to the Ford dealer down the street, and it is a very dramatic departure when nearly every model is competitive or class-leading, and appeal to a very wide variety of shoppers. GM is definitely on the reactive side of innovation right now, unlike Ford or Chrysler. Those two really don't have much to lose when it comes to pushing out new products, where one is already the class-leader, and the other, looking to break into the segment. Its really unfortunate to see GM floundering with a lot of great ideas and really good products that are completely offset with junk, just trying to push them out the door as fast as they can so that they can make it to the next development cycle.
A Camaro that truly innovates could re-direct a lot of energy at the company, and that'd be absolutely fantastic. But, we're talking about GM, here. A company who's corporate headquarters are inside of a hotel that's styled like something out of Pyongyang, and has design renderings hanging up all over that are from 2002. I can't get too excited. Yet.
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That I can understand, but in that case - as with the Mustang - I expect most people would go for the V6, which I'm guessing will be cheaper? That's if they don't phase out the V6 in the Camaro, of course. But they must churn that engine out like nobody's business so it's one of those things I imagine that's fairly easy to keep going.
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But GM is global they have the best China sells and then they offset themselves with sales in other regions through other brands like Opel. Ford doesn't really have that kind of reach and neither did Chrysler and still doesn't since it's more Fiat's reach than their own and before them it was Diamler's. The point is for me that people with the conservative attitude are what make GM not want to do to much more than what they're doing now with Chevy, which allows them to do a whole host of things when it comes to Buick (now being used to bring in the young as much as the old) and Cadillac as I've said. Problem is I probably wont be able to afford a Cadillac for a few more years and Buick...well I just don't like them.
So I rely on Chevy to do different things and so far they have to an extent but when you have a mass group that thinks this is the 70s still that's an issue. Also I know what you mean about the shopping environment it was only a year to year and half ago I was last a Chevy dealer looking around...wasn't a great day.
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Yes they did.
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