A daunting situation- Australia's quickly diminishing water supply

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With only a projected thirty-percent of Australia’s water supply left, and the announcement that all irrigation and the major supply of food production will be halted in less than 6-8 weeks without long consistent rain, I feel it’s time to raise a thread concerning this extremely serious situation.

Unfortunately, our governing bodies including corrupt John Howard and Steve Bracks who would rather spend taxpayer’s money on what occupies their dinner-table have done too little, far too late and consequently, must live with the burden that they have left Australia for dead as a third-world situation becomes advancing ever closer.

All I ask fellow Australians (and others, if you wish) is what your thoughts are relating to all this; will you stand tall or will you move country, and what are your thoughts on the government ‘supposedly’ trying to prevent such a catastrophic conclusion.

I can only hope that these fools concede to the fact that they have let down every member of the Australian population; as I have lost faith in any federal leaders, as well as I and every other Australian’s future.
 
Just reading about this in today's Independent (it's dominating the first three pages - of a UK newspaper!) and the situation does look grim, if indeed there is not significant rainfall in the coming weeks. Certainly, the prospect of an irrigation ban would be disasterous for Australian agriculture and very bad for the economy in general, but it doesn't take the IPCC (the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) or a genius to realise that in a global scenario where the trend over the past century has been one of warming, then Australia, naturally on the brink of water shortage anyway, was going to feel the heat sooner or later... the natural tendency is to 'blame the government' (as my mate Tim in Melbourne would say), and although John Howard probably does stand guilty of neglecting his duties towards addressing this situation properly, the reality is that there is very little you can do when Mother Nature is calling the shots.
 
Agreed.

If it doesn't rain, and all the rivers dry up. All the best policies in the world can't make water appear from the skies.

I don't think the government has handled it that badly. Because their really aren't a whole lot of solutions. The 2 majors ones so far have been drinking and using recycled water (Ew, everyone says, I'd prefer to die) or desalinising ocean water (Very expensive, on the plus, we'd have a **** load of salt...Anyone want to buy some salt?!)
 
i have no problem drinking recycled water, since all our drinking water goes through our filters at home anyway. But still recycled water would still be 100x better than the water a lot of countries have to drink. I think the govt just needs to introduce recycled water and those that dont like it can just not drink water. or buy bottled water. Something has to happen and they just have to harden up and stop being stupid. Im not sure whats gonna happen to our country but queensland is in a very bad position and i hope the govt does something soon to help fix it. We as the people have done a tremdenous amount of water conservation, adhearing to all the govt water restrictions, so now its time for them to do the same effort and fix all the leaky pipes and put into place some strategic project to help our situation. Its pointless to sit here and argue who's fault it is. maybe its howards fault or the guy before him orthe guy before him. Maybe its the citzens fault. Doesnt matter now, because we just have to work together and fix the problem. sitting back trying to figure out whos fault it is doesnt fix the problem. Govt needs to just bit the bullet and fix it and we as a nation need to bite the bullet and help and support the sollution the govt comes up with, which at this stage seems to be recylced water.
 
Dude- Australia is for all intents and purposes, an island.
If anyone has more water than they need, it's you guys.
 
Human beings require fresh water to live, not salt water. It is extremely expensive to desalinate sea water, but a developed nation such as Australia could atleast consider it as a viable option. But just because Australia is an island doesn't make a blind bit of difference, though. Using that logic, Switzerland should be screwed, but are they? Nope.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... when rain water becomes the new oil, Scotand will be the richest country on Earth, since we have more rain than you can sheik a stick at... so much so that the Aussies will probably invade us - and if our pubs are anything to go by, it's already happening! :nervous: :P
 
Human beings require fresh water to live, not salt water. It is extremely expensive to desalinate sea water, but a developed nation such as Australia could atleast consider it as a viable option. But just because Australia is an island doesn't make a blind bit of difference, though. Using that logic, Switzerland should be screwed, but are they? Nope.

Man, I must really suck at satire.
 
I really just want to know how badly it will affect Australia's economy. Sure, I could live on 'cheaper' meals, hydroponicly-grown food, body scrub (instead of showers) and recycled/desalinised water but if health starts to become an issue, then that's a main concern. But surely it wouldn't be that badc onsidering the general welfare of Australia (which unfortunately is due generally to water-dependent farming)...
 
desalinising ocean water (Very expensive, on the plus, we'd have a **** load of salt...Anyone want to buy some salt?!)
If you get it from a good reef area these guys would take it.
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/cat/info/23001/category.web
If it might threaten the reef I am sure these guys can find something to do with it. They seem to have foudn a way to use everything other kind of salt.
http://www.saltworks.us/index.asp?gclid=CL6U2v6q0YsCFQstWAoduXSyHg

If nothing else, it snows in a lot of places and salt is a big help on roads.

If it will stabilize my pH levels in my aquarium quicker than what I am currently using I'll buy it. You can get rid of salt, no problem. I have to use 6lbs for my aquarium every month (~1.5lbs/5gallons/week).

Of course, if you couldn't sell it would you be pulling enough from the ocean that just putting the salt back offshore somewhere would create a problem?


But if desalinization doesn't work this guy has an idea.
http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/forefront/spring2005/sedlak.html

Of course that won't solve everything. I have a question for the smarter types: I know that when I was a kid people talked about towing ice down from the arctic for freshwater. Was it true and is it plausible in this case?

I guess that in the end it may come down to a mix of all options so that you don't have to desalinate yourselves into poverty and the recycled water is heavily dilluted. Heck, if you can find a cost-effective way to direct recycled to just farming purposes then do that and use whatever non-stomach turning methods necessary for human consumption.


So, I guess you don't have any freshwater fishing in Australia?


Apparently not :yuck:
 
It is extremely expensive to desalinate sea water, but a developed nation such as Australia could atleast consider it as a viable option.

The state I live in (South Australia) a desalination plant is being built as we speak (or is about to be). Our state government has come up with a few ideas, all of them have large groups of people opposing them as they do for anything planned here.
 
Yea, somehow I think Australia will be ok. You can import water (expensive), and you can desalinate (expensive). And, it will probably rain in 6-8 months.

When we're prefectly capable of making water from the ocean, I don't really see any major catastrophe.
 
Isn't Tasmania quite a wet island?

I know it's small and only a tiny part of Australia.

It is quite wet, but since it's seperated from the mainland it's quite hard to get water from there to the mainland.

Another idea was run a giant pipe line (And by giant, I mean GIANT) that runs all the way from the very top of Australia, where it's tropical and has a wet season all the way down to the bottom. But I believe it was going to cost more then what desalinising was.
 
Well, it certainly is a very serious situation, and indeed many of us wish for the best, but mother nature is a cruel being, and there really isn't any way of predicting it. I'm sure there have been major droughts before in Australia, and I'm sure that "life found a way," as it has happened before in the US as well.

What it comes down to is that citizens and the government are going to have to crack-down on water-waste, and everyone will have to do their part in attempting to save their water supply. If worse comes to worse, I'm certain that the US and the rest of the 'civilized' world will come to your aid, whatever the amount may be, so you can rest assured that you are in good hands.

The subject of water recycling is interesting through; Don't most places in the US already do that with our water treatment plants? Its not like we just pump it off into the lakes and rivers and hope for the best... And I'd seriously hope you weren't doing that in Australia...

Hmm. The idea of de-salting the water is interesting too, as GE advertises the technology quite frequently here in the US during prime-time TV. If it is the only solution, then so be it, but even then, I'm sure environmentalists are going to be fired-up about it...

So what do we learn?

- Conserve water as best you can, no matter where you are
- Other leading nations should be taking notes
- The same nations should be helping Australia
- Someone call a Cherokee and send them down to Queensland, I think they need a good ol' Native American 'Rain-Dance.'
 
The problem with all this is, that it's not necessarily raining far less than it has previously done so, but that the government is being more careless as to essential, efficient practices. As Steve Bracks persists on rapidly increasing the population of Melbourne, local governments continue to allocate even more subdivision and sprawl than necessary infrastructure to support it all.

Everyone knew we needed a new dam long ago, what was the last time a good dam was built? 30+ years ago? And don't get me started that there's supposedly too much 'money' involved for a desalinization plant, imported water and/or giant pipeline, as Australia should be one of the last countries worrying if this problem ever arose globally. But instead the Howard Government now is so out of touch it doesn't take a breath before throwing away millions.
What are just some of the things they decided to waste our hard-earned money on?
  • $1 billion on political advertising;
  • More than $13.5 million spent on flying the Prime Minister and his entourage around the world over the past nine years;
  • $115 million spent on private recruitment agencies last year;
  • An estimated $10 million spent on media monitoring last year; and
  • $89,000 spent on massages for public servants last year.
No, what our money needs to be used for, and immediately, is to have imperative issues fixed such as mandatory underground water-tanks installed free-of-charge (or even for a few hundred dollars with government contribution) into every effected home in Australia (We have no less than 3 large ones, which are probably one of the greatest investments we've ever made), have subdivision cut down, and have a large pipeline and a desalinization plant ready if necessary.

Another problem concerning water wastage is that relatively minorand temporary showers of rain (As seen today) tend to cause the government and society to forget about the situation for a certain period of time before it hits back even harder soon after. What the country's main priority should be is to sit down and access a national feasibility study in order to keep Australia becoming desolate in the future. And what the hell is wrong with local and national councils? In order for individuals to even attempt to build crucial dams on their property is a nightmare; all permits concerning water-saving devices should never have come to this, they need to be simplified if not abolished if Australia is ever to subdue such water-shortage problems in the future.
 
I don't think the government has handled it that badly. Because their really aren't a whole lot of solutions. The 2 majors ones so far have been drinking and using recycled water (Ew, everyone says, I'd prefer to die)
I was once told that the drinking water in London has probably been through 6 sets of kidneys before you drink it!
 
Stop irrigating. You don't need to anyway. Do what the US does, make all of your food in factories. You don't need water for that!

What the world really needs to do is to sit down and think about a lot of environmental problems. It is inevitable that other parts of the world will experience problems like this and others. Get the developed world together and find a solution that can go global. If it costs a ton of money, we can't shy away from it. Africa has been in a bad position for a long time and the ones who can solve the problem have done nothing. We need to band together as a world (US included). That seems the best way to get something done.

Austrailians just need to work together with anything the Government puts forward. No one man can solve the problem, yet one resistor can easily cause a lot of trouble.
 
As someone who always thought that the Aussies were just like us (Americans), I can't belive how short-sighted your government is. We don't even have water issues (that I know of) in the US, and yet we mandate how much water a house can use, and in some cases, what days you can do things with that water.

Plain and simple, someone in the government needs to come-up with some water legislation similar to what we have in the US, or hell, the rest of the world, and try to fix those problems. I'm sure we don't want to see Mad Max fully-realized in Australia, but come-on, these are rather simple solutions to a rather large problem.
 
And don't get me started that there's supposedly too much 'money' involved for a desalinization plant, imported water and/or giant pipeline, as Australia should be one of the last countries worrying if this problem ever arose globally.

Exactly. The 2006/2007 budget provides for a cash surplus of 10.8 Billion Dollars. We're going to spend $800,000,000 on upgrading a strip of road. But we can't afford technology to supply us with water?
 
A surplus? Really?

God, I can't even think of the last time we had one of those in the US...
 
A surplus? Really?

God, I can't even think of the last time we had one of those in the US...

We've had 9 in a row. It's one of the major reasons I think that the current government keeps getting re-elected, as the last one drove us deep into debt.
 
Plain and simple, someone in the government needs to come-up with some water legislation similar to what we have in the US, or hell, the rest of the world, and try to fix those problems. I'm sure we don't want to see Mad Max fully-realized in Australia, but come-on, these are rather simple solutions to a rather large problem.

We have had water restrictions of sorts for a few years now, well before this drought was a problem, doesn't make much difference if it doesn't rain.

BTW like I said before South Australia (my state) is investing in desalination, it is going ahead as we speak. atleast SA is doing something.
 
You guys might wind up doing the same thing there as we are doing with Global Warming. You may see the individual states taking matters into their own hands instead of waiting for the national level to do something. Is the drought in all of Australia, or just parts?
 
I was once told that the drinking water in London has probably been through 6 sets of kidneys before you drink it!

Not too surprising, water recycling is quite safe as far as I know. Saves a fair bit of water usage too I'd imagine.

Philly, the affected area is anywhere excluding all the rainforests in the north and north east, iirc.
 
Is the drought in all of Australia, or just parts?

No it isn't. Although it would be safe to say the Majority? Where i live in Newcastle (Eastern Coast, 200km North of Sydney) We are fortunate enough to have some of the best catchment facilities in Australia. Chichester Dam, Tomago sandbeds and Grahamstown Dam All combine to facilitate our Hunter region, with a recent calculation of a total water storage of 78.6% im lucky to live in a city where there is no major water restrictions.

Through our generous water supply we are able to supply the Central Coast (100km North of Newcastle) with a healthy water supply, to save them from major drought concerns, and water restrictions. Although our water storage is on a steady decline, recycled water is only just now being implented in Central Coast. An example of even how local and state governments are slow to respond to this major issue, not to mention our national system. Unfortunately our supplies can't help a major city like Sydney who is suffering from major water restrictions, as they would simply suck us dry in no more then 3 days. Its unfortunate that their catchments are simply in the wrong places, as when it does rain they are not recieving nearly enough water. Sydney's total water storage is sitting at 37.9% and goes down by roughly 6500 megalitres a week. Although Eastern NSW is one of the least suffering, if the least suffering region in Australia, it is still looking grim.
 
I think Dubai use sea water as they only recieve a about four days rain fall a year. It would be interesting to compare the prices.
 
BTW like I said before South Australia (my state) is investing in desalination, it is going ahead as we speak. atleast SA is doing something.

Your lucky your state isn't in control of the obtuse Steve Bracks though, he's done nothing but send Australia downhill ever since he undertook the job as premier. I would love to see him and his team fall through and hit rock-bottom, but by logical means he already has. One minute he was complaining about Victoria's ecological footprint and their over reliance on water and the next he was swimming in a million-or-so litre pool that he just wasted 1/10 the state's water supply on, all without a care in the world.
Everything that comes out of his mouth is excruciatingly idiotic; if your state ever feels the need to overrun the imbecile, feel free.
 
Through our generous water supply we are able to supply the Central Coast (100km North of Newcastle) with a healthy water supply, to save them from major drought concerns, and water restrictions. Although our water storage is on a steady decline, recycled water is only just now being implented in Central Coast. An example of even how local and state governments are slow to respond to this major issue, not to mention our national system.

I take it most of the big cities have recycling water programmes in place?


Just looking up Newcastle, Aus. That's got one hell of a big coal reserve!
 
The problem with all this is, that it's not necessarily raining far less than it has previously done so, but that the government is being more careless as to essential, efficient practices. As Steve Bracks persists on rapidly increasing the population of Melbourne, local governments continue to allocate even more subdivision and sprawl than necessary infrastructure to support it all.

Everyone knew we needed a new dam long ago, what was the last time a good dam was built? 30+ years ago? And don't get me started that there's supposedly too much 'money' involved for a desalinization plant, imported water and/or giant pipeline, as Australia should be one of the last countries worrying if this problem ever arose globally. But instead the Howard Government now is so out of touch it doesn't take a breath before throwing away millions.
What are just some of the things they decided to waste our hard-earned money on?
  • $1 billion on political advertising;
  • More than $13.5 million spent on flying the Prime Minister and his entourage around the world over the past nine years;
  • $115 million spent on private recruitment agencies last year;
  • An estimated $10 million spent on media monitoring last year; and
  • $89,000 spent on massages for public servants last year.
No, what our money needs to be used for, and immediately, is to have imperative issues fixed such as mandatory underground water-tanks installed free-of-charge (or even for a few hundred dollars with government contribution) into every effected home in Australia (We have no less than 3 large ones, which are probably one of the greatest investments we've ever made), have subdivision cut down, and have a large pipeline and a desalinization plant ready if necessary.

What the country's main priority should be is to sit down and access a national feasibility study in order to keep Australia becoming desolate in the future. And what the hell is wrong with local and national councils? In order for individuals to even attempt to build crucial dams on their property is a nightmare; all permits concerning water-saving devices should never have come to this, they need to be simplified if not abolished if Australia is ever to subdue such water-shortage problems in the future.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

A few points:
-It's raining plenty here in Sydney (right now as I write, it's been raining 3 days, looks like continuing)- guess where all that water is going? - down the drains and out to sea.:dunce:
-We have been spoilt for a long time: water is dirt cheap, despite it being precious and scarce. We use fresh, drinking quality water to flush our toilets and water our gardens!!:dunce:
-There are plenty of things we can do to capture/ re-use/ re-cycle water: it just takes governments with vision to do it. 💡
BTW: A study was recently done that showed that if every household had a water-tank provided by the government: it would be cheaper than the proposed de-sal plant, and we would not need another Dam for 20 years!!
-I agree with you about the governments- I deal with local councils in my line of work, and I can tell you first hand that councils are populated with people that are too incompetent/ lazy/ stupid/ irresponsible to make it in the private sector. It's actually quite sad, bacause the good ones are frustrated/ often end up leaving. It's the ones that stay there the longest that get promoted, not the best/ smartest/ most suited (hey- it worked for John Howard right?) they typically lack any sort of vision, can't bring themselves to excercise discretion, and never seem to take initiative/ responsibility - only interested in what happens while they are in power!:crazy:
-Howard (as you most likely know) has done close to ZERO over the last 10 years when it comes to the environment, water, renewable energy etc, always saying that it's too expensive/ not good for the economy- now the consequences of that inaction is going to cost us much more-many times over. I guess you can't expect an old school bean counter to take into account what they call 'externalities' into their equations - social, environmental issues are put aside and not considered in his economic rationalist model. I can't get over how arrogant and ignorant someone can be to expect that everything else will be Ok if their balance sheet adds up.:grumpy:
-Development and increased population can occur perfectly well- if it is properly managed/ planned for. Rolling out carpets of suburbs over great farming land (eg. Kellyville in Sydney's West) is absurd- food production should occur near city centres where possible- cuts down on transport requirements, fuel, we get fresher food, etc etc.
-Higher density is important and helps to save water too: the cul-de-sac suburban model is un-sustainable: it arose from post-WW2 US, and is seriously failing throughout the world where it was taken up. (I guess I'm part of the problem, as I live in a (established-so slightly better) suburb :guilty:
Increased densities/ cities have worked all around the world for many centuries: it works extremely well, but again, only when its done properly. Governments can't expect for large sections of the population to live in little shoe boxes, give up their yards etc. without providing something to compensate, like: more public spaces/ parks/ gardens/ plazas/ markets etc. In summary: in an ideal high- density city, when you step out of your door, you are should be in a vibrant community (this also avoids a lot of social problems- such as the elderly being isolated for instance). Unfortunately, in a typical suburb: you step out of your door and... you are in the middle of a street. You have to get in your car to go anywhere!!
Sorry- I just realised I was going a little off-topic here
 
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