A daunting situation- Australia's quickly diminishing water supply

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Just looking up Newcastle, Aus. That's got one hell of a big coal reserve!

Yup. And as far as I know, China relies on it pretty heavily.

@ gonz

-Government here can be a bit similar. Politicians have to hold up their reputations.
-Bush is doing little to help the environment, saying it would hurt the economy. Let's see how much global warming will cost us in the long run.
-I disagree. Farming should be outside the city. Boise, Idaho has some farms in the middle of town. I'm sure the town is hurt by those in a few ways. Suburbia can be cut back, though. I'm sure there is plenty of land to go around there, like here. Look at Europe. Suburbs are way more compact (if at all existant). They manage fine, and there seem to be a lot of benefits.
-I don't see why suburbs use more water, unless you mean lawns and more faucets. A more centralized city would be more efficient, though with good mass transit, more central plumbing and electrical and proximity to everything.
 
4 days of rain is predicted for South Australia starting tonight or tommorrow.
 
Good for you. I just hope you guys can put it to good use. It seems very much needed. I wish I was there, seeing people celebrate over rain, seeing as how everybody is depressed around here because of it.
 
Wow, now THAT is a crisis. Granted, there probably isn't much that politicians can do now. But it's clear that something could have been done in the past. This kinda reminds me of the beginning of Superman I. I'm SURE that there have been scientists that have told them about th possible situation with the water, but they didn't listen.
 
4 days of rain is predicted for South Australia starting tonight or tommorrow.
But that only leads to another problem.

First teh ground is so hard most will either remain on the surface (and evaporate) or run straight to rivers and out to sea. And also, any water that runs to the see will be thick with dust from the dry ground and lead to a lot of silt going into therivers very quickly.
 
But that only leads to another problem.

First teh ground is so hard most will either remain on the surface (and evaporate) or run straight to rivers and out to sea. And also, any water that runs to the see will be thick with dust from the dry ground and lead to a lot of silt going into therivers very quickly.

Yes but it is a good start, apparently this winter we should have average rain fall unlike last year.

When this rain starts (Hasn't yet) there will be many accidents on the roads as always after long periods of dry weather.
 
A few points:
-There are plenty of things we can do to capture/ re-use/ re-cycle water: it just takes governments with vision to do it. 💡
BTW: A study was recently done that showed that if every household had a water-tank provided by the government: it would be cheaper than the proposed de-sal plant, and we would not need another Dam for 20 years!!
-I agree with you about the governments- I deal with local councils in my line of work, and I can tell you first hand that councils are populated with people that are too incompetent/ lazy/ stupid/ irresponsible to make it in the private sector. It's actually quite sad, bacause the good ones are frustrated/ often end up leaving. It's the ones that stay there the longest that get promoted, not the best/ smartest/ most suited (hey- it worked for John Howard right?) they typically lack any sort of vision, can't bring themselves to excercise discretion, and never seem to take initiative/ responsibility - only interested in what happens while they are in power!:crazy:
-Howard (as you most likely know) has done close to ZERO over the last 10 years when it comes to the environment, water, renewable energy etc, always saying that it's too expensive/ not good for the economy- now the consequences of that inaction is going to cost us much more-many times over. I guess you can't expect an old school bean counter to take into account what they call 'externalities' into their equations - social, environmental issues are put aside and not considered in his economic rationalist model. I can't get over how arrogant and ignorant someone can be to expect that everything else will be Ok if their balance sheet adds up.:grumpy:

Good to hear someone agree with me here. I only wish that Australia as a nation would stand up and acknowledge the Government's ignorant inactions and confront and speak up against him (similar to legal 'class action', but through the nation as a whole). I respect that many people have supposed 'better' things to do with their lives and such, but if Australia is to ever have good decisions made about its environmental state of affairs and to prevent a regretful future, which now seems possible assuming the completely ignorant attitude of the government doesn’t change, it needs to take stand and assume a good amount responsibility regarding Australia's future. They can simply ignore these facts by stating why they should attempt to change something they have no control over (which I’ve heard far too many times) or they can do something about the situation, their future and their children’s future. I've only just turned 15, but instead of conforming to most of the public's attitude and disposition towards ignorance of the circumstances concerning their future, I'm ready to take a stand against these issues in anyway I can make a difference.
I may be going off-topic as well with this statement, and this may be a completely different responsibility shift I’ve assumed, but it’s because I’ve finally realised that the government is going to do absolutely nothing useful concerning this situation, and now the only things Australians have to assume is the worst if they do not take action themselves.


4 days of rain is predicted for South Australia starting tonight or tommorrow.

Yes but it is a good start, apparently this winter we should have average rain fall unlike last year.

When this rain starts (Hasn't yet) there will be many accidents on the roads as always after long periods of dry weather.

Lucky you. Now all that is left is for Victoria to receive some 'real' rainfall.
 
There’s been a lot of rain here over the past month. A hell of a lot. Don’t think much has hit the catchments, though. As usual.
 
We had some rain today (south coast of England) first time in quite a while. We did some weed digging the other day (that's bad weed as opposed to very bad weed) and the ground was like mid summer hardness instead of April hardness.
 
There’s been a lot of rain here over the past month. A hell of a lot. Don’t think much has hit the catchments, though. As usual.

Exactly right, same point as a few of us have made (including me).. The catchments are simply in the wrong places. Which is all a bit to late to counteract now. We've been having alot of rain here also, which is good.
 
@ Gtpro: Have you heard of 'Water Decellenization'? It's something along the lines of filtering and other modes of water purification, that are able to turn ocean water into drinkable freshwater. I'd give you a link, but I just saw this, and I gotta run.

As soon as you know further, take it up with some friends, get a bunch of people to sign a petition, take it to your nearest countyseat/city hall equivalent, and hopefully some major government action will unfold.

Sounds like a serious problem that needs to be fixed yesterday! The best of luck, friend.
 
Rain came, and is still coming. All day yesterday it rained and most of the time today.


@ Gtpro: Have you heard of 'Water Decellenization'? It's something along the lines of filtering and other modes of water purification, that are able to turn ocean water into drinkable freshwater. I'd give you a link, but I just saw this, and I gotta run.


Water desalination has been discussed all though this thread so far already.
 
Havn't read the whole thread , but here in Saudi we use desalination from sea water on both sides of the country (Red sea , presian gulf) as we don't get a lot of rain
 
Glad you guys are getting rain. It's just started here, too.

Good thing... our water table was getting horrbily low. God-damned (****ing) Water Parks and Golf Courses... stealing our water!
 
Rain came, and is still coming. All day yesterday it rained and most of the time today.

How is that rain affecting your situation? One would think Australia would be able to use this rain. Or is all of it just washing down the streets and out to sea?
 
It also rained all day yesterday, all night and stopped this morning, but has just started now again mid day.

How is that rain affecting your situation? One would think Australia would be able to use this rain. Or is all of it just washing down the streets and out to sea?

Helping, especially farmers. They say (on TV) we need about 70-80mm of rain before it soaks in enough to start properly flowing into our reservoirs, I think we are coming in around 70mm now and forecasts say after a couple upcoming days of dry weather more rain will come.
 
It's good to see that you guys's situation is improving, or that at least you will be good for another little while.
 
We had some rain today (south coast of England) first time in quite a while. We did some weed digging the other day (that's bad weed as opposed to very bad weed) and the ground was like mid summer hardness instead of April hardness.

Yeh, isn't april meant to be a rainy season, its rained twice this month where I live. Its going to be the hosepipe ban all over again.
 
It's good to see that you guys's situation is improving, or that at least you will be good for another little while.

Not much so for many parts of Victoria, again, though; the area I live in hasn't recieved one drop of rain during this whole rainfall happening.
 
Not much so for many parts of Victoria, again, though; the area I live in hasn't recieved one drop of rain during this whole rainfall happening.

Yeah, the 'massive rainfall' was really not much for me either. Maybe the roads slightly damp and that's kinda it.
 
Exactly right, same point as a few of us have made (including me).. The catchments are simply in the wrong places. Which is all a bit to late to counteract now. We've been having alot of rain here also, which is good.

The catchments aren't in the wrong place- when the dams were built, they were in all the right spots.:indiff:
We can't go on building more dams where the water happens to be falling now- imagine spending billions of dollars and several years on a new dam- only to have the weather patterns change again?:ill:
Its like arguing that to fix the traffic problems, we need to build more roads- that just creates an incentive for more people to drive, creates more traffic!

Increasing water supply will only allow our wasteful management and use habits of water to continue for a few more years, until we need to find more supply!:ouch:

How about making the most of the water falling on/ all around us.💡
Like I mentioned before: a recent report (Australia institute?? I think??) calculated that if every house had a rainwater tank, we would not need a new dam/ desalination plant for 20 years!💡
Do a few other things (not overly difficult or expensive) and we would have plenty of water for another 100 years, like for instance:
-If you legislated that toilets should only use grey water (eg from your washing machine/ rainwater tank) instead of drinking quality water to flush.💡
-Re-use grey water/ tank water for gardening
-Plant more natives, that typically require less water
-Fix leaking water supply pipelines, currently leaking BILLIONS of litres a year
-Make water more expensive? It's dirt cheap- just look at your water bill! No wonder people don't value it!:dunce:
-Ban water intensive crops, like rice (:dunce: ) and cotton
-Ban selling artesian water (for next to nothing) to water companies- Coke pays about $2 for enough water to fill an olympic pool- drained from our underground water supplies.:grumpy:

This stuff is really simple, easy to do, relatively cost-effective. If you really wanted to go the 'full hog', you could start doing things that actually inconvenience you/ require real lifestyle changes, like getting composting toilets.

The solutions are all there- there are plenty of experts telling us what we can do, lots of people willing to try to fix the problem too.:)
Problem seems to be that our leaders lack vision, and people don't tend to do these kind of things until it is really having a big, personal impact on them- in the case of water/ climate change- by the time this happens, we may be too far down the track!:guilty:

💡 Some really simple, ultra low-tech, NO COST things you can do:
We have been re-cycling the water from our washing machine- simply putting the hose to one of our bins- (you would be amazed at how much water you get) - and then use it to water the plants- easy, and you save literally hundreds of litres of water! Some of us also do little things, like put a bucket in the shower, by the end of your shower, it has collected a bunch of water you can use in the garden!
 
How about making the most of the water falling on/ all around us.💡
Like I mentioned before: a recent report (Australia institute?? I think??) calculated that if every house had a rainwater tank, we would not need a new dam/ desalination plant for 20 years!💡
I also remembered reading this, although I'm unaware as to whether it was properly forwarded to the Government. Regardless, they won't do anything about it.

-Re-use grey water/ tank water for gardening
Check.
-Plant more natives, that typically require less water
Check.
-Make water more expensive? It's dirt cheap- just look at your water bill! No wonder people don't value it!:dunce:
Yes, but to a certain extent; Australians shouldn't be suffering such a setback for reasons related to the negligence of the people in power.
-Ban water intensive crops, like rice (:dunce: ) and cotton
Cotton? Good luck with that, I'm sure our export markets won't mind, and the Australian economy will thrive. Go another notch down, and there goes the fundamental goods for most foods today; sugar.

This stuff is really simple, easy to do, relatively cost-effective...

The solutions are all there- there are plenty of experts telling us what we can do, lots of people willing to try to fix the problem too.:)
Problem seems to be that our leaders lack vision, and people don't tend to do these kind of things until it is really having a big, personal impact on them- in the case of water/ climate change- by the time this happens, we may be too far down the track!:guilty:
If only all Australians had a few braincells kicking around to understand this.

💡 Some really simple, ultra low-tech, NO COST things you can do:
We have been re-cycling the water from our washing machine- simply putting the hose to one of our bins- (you would be amazed at how much water you get) - and then use it to water the plants- easy, and you save literally hundreds of litres of water! Some of us also do little things, like put a bucket in the shower, by the end of your shower, it has collected a bunch of water you can use in the garden!
Similar but even more efficient, is that every single drop that is used for our household appliances is reused; greywater-ingenious. Too bad most haven't grasped this.

-I have reduced my water usage by about 40 percent; I no longer have two showers a day, clothes are worn two-five times over the duration of the week, when rain comes, I scavenge every bucket I can find, even if it holds only 2l and throw it under any open storm-water pipe (I'm not sure if this is common in Australia, but I managed to actually save more water than I used a weekend back) and I now only drink water from home-tanks (Though I have barely drank street-water for 2 years now). A water-saving act I've tried is that when you're having a shower, only use water to bathe the body beforehand and to rinse the soap off, by following it strictly I'm sure I've managed to cut my shower water usage in half. It n\may be relatively extreme, but it works.

You do bring up a good if not rather exhausted point though, but unfortunately most ignorant Australians, including the government won't take strong, effective water-saving methods and reports seriously enough until it is completely gone.
 
I still believe desalination is the way to go.

It's great and all having every house with rainwater tanks, but it still has to rain to fill them up. It's rained maybe 20mm here in a good 3 months. Hardly enough to do anything with.

The same goes with building new dams, I don't think anywhere it rains enough for them to be filled.

I also think that water-saving methods are just delaying the inevitable unless something is done. I think Steve Bracks said Victorians had a 50% reduction in the water they used. But that just means that instead of water running out in 24 months, they'll run out in 36 months, these alone are not enough. Victoria's current total water capacity is around 30% I think, so in those extra 12 months, to get back to a save zone, we'll have to catch about 1,000,000 Megalitres of water.

We're a bloody island, we're surrounded by water...
 
I still believe desalination is the way to go....
We're a bloody island, we're surrounded by water...

Desalinisation = more greenhouse gases = increased temperature = more el nino = less rain = more desalinisation...

Desalinisation is only an option because gutless politicians are afraid of the backlash from ignorant voters who get all excited when vested interests stir them up by saying they will be drinking sewage. Recycled water is as good to drink as anything we have now - probably better in some cases.
 
I still believe desalination is the way to go.

I would agree with you if there wasn't enough water- eg. like in U.A.E. where they make extensive use of desalination plants, since they have virtually no rain.

The point is that we have enough water falling on us- its just a matter of using it properly. Its not hard, its not expensive, its not going to really impact negatively on your lifestyle.:)

Building an un-necessary de-sal plant just keeps us using water inefficiently- and soon enough, we will need another de-sal plant...:guilty:

Why spend the billions, increase pollution etc. for something that is just not needed?
 
Desalinisation = more greenhouse gases = increased temperature = more el nino = less rain = more desalinisation...

Desalinisation is only an option because gutless politicians are afraid of the backlash from ignorant voters who get all excited when vested interests stir them up by saying they will be drinking sewage. Recycled water is as good to drink as anything we have now - probably better in some cases.


Yep... in fact, I'll bet there are lots of people who have drunk lots of recycled water and not known it!:dunce:
 
Most of our tap water is recycled water in Blighty iirc. Doesn't bother me, been through so many processes it's as good as the real thing.
 
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