A+ level driver, playing as B ranked

[Crazy Taylor]

You know, he's not speaking like that since he's a low rank. If anything, his rank is higher than all 4 of my accounts, and I'm an S driver myself on all of them. Know your place first

With 4 accounts that makes you Big Papa Smurf.

 

[inri]

cjr3559, He could learn to be fast there if he put a small amount of time in because he has all of the fundamental skills that a high rank driver needs and a low rank driver lacks. I used to be multiple seconds off the pace at brands hatch and I fixed that flaw in a single day by doing about 50 laps of it and learning the track properly and now I'm something like in the top 0.3% for qualifying times in groups 2 and 4

 

[Alpha Cipher]

With 4 accounts that makes you Big Papa Smurf.

In my defense, my 3 sub accounts reached S all within 20 days and less than 100 races, so I spent as little time as I can in the low ranks
Sorry if I affected anyone though

So it's OK if the game knocks me down BUT it's not OK if I do it deliberately? Do I understand you correctly? And you do realise that the end result is exactly the same?

It's not okay that the game knocks you down, but it's even worse if you knock yourself down. The end result is the same, but the means of how you got there is what matters more

I am really quite OK on this point. I win nearly 30% of all races entered and even get on the leader boards sometimes. I have learnt heaps by following some very fast people around. BTW by dropping my ranking I also learned some very important lessons too, like how to dodge cars at first turns ;-) And before the new updates, how to dodge lapped drivers who suddenly want to race me now that I am lapping them.

The fact that you're doing quite okay and winning 30% of your races makes the fact that you tanked your rankings much worse

 

[Sven Jurgens]

cjr3559, He could learn to be fast there if he put a small amount of time in because he has all of the fundamental skills that a high rank driver needs and a low rank driver lacks. I used to be multiple seconds off the pace at brands hatch and I fixed that flaw in a single day by doing about 50 laps of it and learning the track properly and now I'm something like in the top 0.3% for qualifying times in groups 2 and 4

I've done 60 races on Interlagos since Jason's site started tracking. 3 wins of those 60, while 14 wins out of 46 races on Tokyo for example. I'm fast enough to race with the fastest group albeit in the very back, not everyone has it in them to be top 10 on every track. Nor do I want to spend even more time on this game than I already do lol.

Actually I guess I am top 10 material (in races finished)

Practice does not make perfect.

 

[Lord Protector]

I once dropped from SS to BB in a single race. I didn't abandon the race but it was very messy and I finished in back. And due to B SR I had my DR decreased too.

And yeah, on the way back to SS I won many races too easy but what else could I do.

 

[Nuschel01]

It's not okay that the game knocks you down, but it's even worse if you knock yourself down.

Well sometimes it even knocks players up

 

[cjr3559]

cjr3559, He could learn to be fast there if he put a small amount of time in because he has all of the fundamental skills that a high rank driver needs and a low rank driver lacks. I used to be multiple seconds off the pace at brands hatch and I fixed that flaw in a single day by doing about 50 laps of it and learning the track properly and now I'm something like in the top 0.3% for qualifying times in groups 2 and 4

Absolutely understood. But a great driver should have no trouble increasing their rank to A/A. If they can master all the tracks and car classes then Level 50 means all the more.

 

[inri]

Absolutely understood. But a great driver should have no trouble increasing their rank to A/A. If they can master all the tracks and car classes then Level 50 means all the more.

Sure, I agree with that. I just think that it's more time that lower rank players will have to spend racing against higher ranks, which in my unfortunately considerable experience isn't fun for anybody

 

[sundaydriving]

Been noticing this for some time... super fast driver, alien level, in pole position, ranked DR B and competing in the same room with B, A and sometimes A+ drivers. Checked one guy's profile online and saw he went from a long run of being DR S to B all of a sudden and is now collecting easy victories. This is, imo, the worse offense to the concept of sportsmanship and should be punished by Polyphony, or at least it could be fixed by not allowing a S ranked driver to fall beyond a certain limit of A rank.

Why does someone with S/A+ level wants to compete with B players? Not only it's unfair but it will compromise the ranking system, as A drivers will lose DR points by coming behind a B driver. Thoughts?

been ss and a+/s a few times but have ended up losing a huge amount of DR due to the ridiculous penalty system.

It doesn't take much to get nudged out of position at the start, so you collect your first penalty for that, then if you're unlucky you can get whacked by three or four following cars as they come through probably over agressively taking the racing line - each one another penalty. SR S can go to B, C or D very quickly. DR resets follow.

Then you get matched with DR and SRs B, C or D, where 2nd might be 2s slower, but last might be 8 or 9s per lap slower. its almost like they're playing a completely different game. They can be forgiven for being unusually slow in places where normally its flat out in DR A+/A, weaving all over the place into and out of corners and of course the obligatory divebombing into the first corner. The real issue is that it can be very difficult to anticipate what they're going to do next which is a problem when you're looking for an overtake. If you're not careful its very easy to pick up more penalties. But once you get some clear air the challenge is simply not to fall asleep. This is absolutely nothing like A/A+/S.

I don't think the easy wins at those levels are a positive to counter the negative at all. Putting you in lobbys where the rest of the field is so much slower cant be much fun for anyone. I have no idea what PD are thinking. Its a game, its supposed to be fun.

I think the penalty system is a farce and the cause of these problems. Both participants receiving a penalty in an indicident is a joke, the assignment of blame is often wrong and if lag is involved you might as well just abandon the race otherwise a teleporter might launch you into space.

 

[Ryan Sandall]

Literally had the exact thing happen to me
Went from a+ dr 68000 to I think C dr 15000
Due to a ping pong battle at Bathurst
Sr went down to C aswell I believe I’ll add a screenshot
Or just look up my Psn on kudos prime
Psn is ruzzwald

Got the graphs yeah the Sr was at 31 initially I believe and Dr 15000 but I Meade some up immediately

 

[sundaydriving]

Literally had the exact thing happen to me
Went from a+ dr 68000 to I think C dr 15000
Due to a ping pong battle at Bathurst
Sr went down to C aswell I believe I’ll add a screenshot
Or just look up my Psn on kudos prime
Psn is ruzzwald

Got the graphs yeah the Sr was at 31 initially I believe and Dr 15000 but I Meade some up immediately

Thats shocking. DR was never as high here but did get reset to DR C, SR D today I think. Back to B/A for now. The crawl back up continues...

 

[fastone371]

If it makes you happy, YES, I am a trophy hunter. As in my other post above, I will use any legitimate means to obtain the trophies decided by the developers in any of the games I play.

Get over it or start complaining to the devs ;-)



I do realise it rubs people the wrong way and that's why I chose to use it ;-) Because IT IS just a game after all ;-)

It appears i (and others) are being blamed for using legitimate means to obtain trophies and play the game as it was designed to be played. How you, or others, interpret it differently is solely up to you and I suggest you complain to PD. They are the ones that made the rules, not me.

Being the devils advocate, if it is only a game what is the concern over getting the trophies then??

 

[Crazy Taylor]

I've done 60 races on Interlagos since Jason's site started tracking. 3 wins of those 60, while 14 wins out of 46 races on Tokyo for example. I'm fast enough to race with the fastest group albeit in the very back, not everyone has it in them to be top 10 on every track. Nor do I want to spend even more time on this game than I already do lol.

Actually I guess I am top 10 material (in races finished)

Practice does not make perfect.

That calculates from 17th October 2017 to today (8/5/18) is 204 days. If you played everyday you would race just under 13 TIMES A DAY (having raced 2,650).

 

[DaigoD]

There should be a way for dropped down A+ drivers to gain back DR much faster. Maybe they should take raw qualifying pace into account. Or maybe DR gains should be increased when you win by a large margin.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That calculates from 17th October 2017 to today (8/5/18) is 204 days. If you played everyday you would race just under 13 TIMES A DAY (having raced 2,650).

View attachment 734742

That is correct, I have driven close to 750 hours

Sport Mode Completed Races 2650
Distinct Days Game Access 196
Distance driven 122,426.160 Km
Time driven 31 days, 4 hours, 7 min and 34 s.

On average 3.8 hours a day, 13 sport races a day. The trick is a second tv in the living room, jumping on at exactly :03 :23 :43 for a quick race in between doing stuff. My time spend qualifying is less than 1% of that, rarely more than a few laps a day. I drive 1 or 2 laps to remind me of the correct braking points then practice live until I have some extra time in between races to update my quali lap.

Anyway it was just a rebuttal to the remark I should practice more I think I'm pretty close to my skill cap!

Actually the wild swings in match making is probably what keeps it interesting so long. If I was perfectly matched every race without any incidents etc I imagine it would get rather boring. 2650 races later, still never sure what to expect next!

 

[MrBrunoA]

Literally had the exact thing happen to me
Went from a+ dr 68000 to I think C dr 15000
Due to a ping pong battle at Bathurst
Sr went down to C aswell I believe I’ll add a screenshot
Or just look up my Psn on kudos prime
Psn is ruzzwald

Got the graphs yeah the Sr was at 31 initially I believe and Dr 15000 but I Meade some up immediately

There should be a way for dropped down A+ drivers to gain back DR much faster. Maybe they should take raw qualifying pace into account. Or maybe DR gains should be increased when you win by a large margin.

This confirms my thoughts that the ranking system is flawed. Can't think of a reason why something that takes so long to build up could be lost after one single race. Using PD's logic, Max Verstappen would be back to driving go karts this year.

A simple solution would be fluctuating DR within a range, so that once you reach A+, for instance, you could fall back to mid A only and so on. Or at least make losing DR a very slow process, comparable to gaining it.

There should be a way for dropped down A+ drivers to gain back DR much faster. Maybe they should take raw qualifying pace into account. Or maybe DR gains should be increased when you win by a large margin.

It should never drop so much because the ranking downgrade affects more than one individual. As I wrote in the original post, having B or C drivers with A+ skill racing with true B and C drivers is not fair. Imagine doing your best possible race as a A ranked driver and losing DR because you finished behind the C driver who's an alien in disguise. Happened to me many times recently.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

I had won a race at Monza a few days back, so I thought I'd try a couple more. This is what I get for thinking it was a good idea...

2 bad races in a row combined with 2 disconnections in a row = rating assassination. It wasn't intentional by any standard on my part, as it's going to be a slow(ish) climb back up to my usual Top 1% status according to Kudos. Sometimes 🤬 happens!!!

Cheers

 

[TT92]

In my defense, my 3 sub accounts reached S all within 20 days and less than 100 races, so I spent as little time as I can in the low ranks
Sorry if I affected anyone though

The urge here to make a negative comment about this is almost overwhelming but I will resist ;-) BTW I only play on 1 account.

It's not okay that the game knocks you down, but it's even worse if you knock yourself down. The end result is the same, but the means of how you got there is what matters more

The fact that you're doing quite okay and winning 30% of your races makes the fact that you tanked your rankings much worse

Before I ranked down I think I had something like 4 poles and 6 wins from 40 races and it looked like I was never going to get there n(92 wins). So yes, I ranked down and it taught me heaps, mainly to not care about my "precious rank" and once that pressure is off stay calm and stay in control of my race.

Now that I have ranked back up again (and have the trophy) all the pressure is off, I am racing faster and cleaner and winning quite regularly. I am actually (believe it or not) quite enjoying the game and the penalty system no longer troubles me. I do still get annoyed (not as much as before) at being deliberately punted but when I see the guy has a big red letter next his name back in the lobby it then makes me smile because I know I wont be matched with him next time.

I should add, there is one more scenario we have not discussed and this is, what about the very fast "dirty driver" that lurks in the lower ranks. I am sure we have all seen them. Someone that is very fast but because he is just pure filth will never rank up with his demolition derby, win at all costs attitude. So is fair that this guy takes wins away from less skilful players? Perhaps he playing on his sub-account because this is how he gets his fun ;-)

The point I am trying to make is that this game (yes I know, it's not a game to some) is played by many different types of people with different attitudes about racing/gaming and PD have come up with a system that will supposedly group various players together by skill and morals. The system is not perfect but it is what we have and so I will say again to anyone reading this, just deal with it, play it the way that you get the most enjoyment from, proviso being you do not deliberately harm others but doing it. Deliberately crashing into people or spoiling races just because you can is totally unethical.

I play the game as it was designed within the rules set out by PD. If you, or others, disagree with these rules then you need to complain to PD about it but criticising me and others that abide by the rules is really quite pointless IMHO ;-)

 

[TT92]

Being the devils advocate, if it is only a game what is the concern over getting the trophies then??

You answered your own question in your question. it's a game! Obviously the object is to "beat the game" and "win".

 

[Nando deBem]

My problem with the DR system is, it was really hard to get to S (A+). And then I got lucky with a streak of Gr.1 races (my favorite class) and went up to ~65k points. Then, I slowly have been losing points. If I get a disconnect, I lose 2k. Everytime I get a bad race, my fault or otherwise, I lose 1k. Usually, if I get top 3, I gain 200 points. It’s just not worth it. I have to rely on people not sending me off track just to maintain my rank. All this situation plus God of War... and it’s been a while since I really played GT Sport.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

The urge here to make a negative comment about this is almost overwhelming but I will resist ;-) BTW I only play on 1 account.

Go

Before I ranked down I think I had something like 4 poles and 6 wins from 40 races and it looked like I was never going to get there n(92 wins). So yes, I ranked down and it taught me heaps, mainly to not care about my "precious rank" and once that pressure is off stay calm and stay in control of my race.

Now that I have ranked back up again (and have the trophy) all the pressure is off, I am racing faster and cleaner and winning quite regularly. I am actually (believe it or not) quite enjoying the game and the penalty system no longer troubles me. I do still get annoyed (not as much as before) at being deliberately punted but when I see the guy has a big red letter next his name back in the lobby it then makes me smile because I know I wont be matched with him next time.

If you don't get there then you don't get there. You're just not good enough then.

I should add, there is one more scenario we have not discussed and this is, what about the very fast "dirty driver" that lurks in the lower ranks. I am sure we have all seen them. Someone that is very fast but because he is just pure filth will never rank up with his demolition derby, win at all costs attitude. So is fair that this guy takes wins away from less skilful players? Perhaps he playing on his sub-account because this is how he gets his fun ;-)

No, it is not fair and they as just as bad as you are. If anything, I recommend to that fast dirty driver to just stop playing the game altogether. Or at least stick to the lobbies since the world needs less people like him.

play it the way that you get the most enjoyment from, proviso being you do not deliberately harm others but doing it.

But you are. I don't see how deliberately lowering your ranks to get easy wins is worse than deliberately crashing someone else off to get easy wins.

I play the game as it was designed within the rules set out by PD. If you, or others, disagree with these rules then you need to complain to PD about it but criticising me and others that abide by the rules is really quite pointless IMHO ;-)

Like I said, it is a specific mindeset that creates people like you. Not a flaw of the game itself. How many times do I have to repeat this?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

My problem with the DR system is, it was really hard to get to S (A+). And then I got lucky with a streak of Gr.1 races (my favorite class) and went up to ~65k points. Then, I slowly have been losing points. If I get a disconnect, I lose 2k. Everytime I get a bad race, my fault or otherwise, I lose 1k. Usually, if I get top 3, I gain 200 points. It’s just not worth it. I have to rely on people not sending me off track just to maintain my rank. All this situation plus God of War... and it’s been a while since I really played GT Sport.

God of war is taking a lot more time than I anticipated. I haven't done any races at night for a while now.

What do you really need DR for above 40K? I find that even from 35K up I get matched in the fastest rooms as long as SR is maxed and there it's just a matter of qualifying well enough. It's the same people to race against. Perhaps it matters more for FIA events? I haven't done those since last year. The concept of only doing a race once is foreign to me! (and 10 minutes qualifying is way too long )

 

[Nando deBem]

God of war is taking a lot more time than I anticipated. I haven't done any races at night for a while now.

What do you really need DR for above 40K? I find that even from 35K up I get matched in the fastest rooms as long as SR is maxed and there it's just a matter of qualifying well enough. It's the same people to race against. Perhaps it matters more for FIA events? I haven't done those since last year. The concept of only doing a race once is foreign to me! (and 10 minutes qualifying is way too long )

I like my DR letter! lol

Nothing really, just to show off a bit.

Update: I was leading Gr.1 tonight and spun. Came 4th, and lost ~100 points.
I won the next race, gained ~150 points.

 

[lisanorm]

I have met more friends in lower ranks (yes i do lower mine sometimes) than i did in the higher ranks and yes i don't care what anyone say's i have stated this elsewhere before.

 

[TT92]

"In my defense, my 3 sub accounts reached S all within 20 days and less than 100 races, so I spent as little time as I can in the low ranks" Go

OK then I will. You are a hypocrite and you have the audacity to criticise me!

If you don't get there then you don't get there. You're just not good enough then.

As it turns out I am and I have. Now I find wins come quite easily.

No, it is not fair and they as just as bad as you are. If anything, I recommend to that fast dirty driver to just stop playing the game altogether. Or at least stick to the lobbies since the world needs less people like him.

See my comment above about hypocrisy ;-)

But you are. I don't see how deliberately lowering your ranks to get easy wins is worse than deliberately crashing someone else off to get easy wins.

Now you are just being obtuse!

Like I said, it is a specific mindeset that creates people like you. Not a flaw of the game itself. How many times do I have to repeat this?

No more times because I think our conversation is at an end. We will have to agree to disagree.

Also by my reckoning your 3 sub accounts did more damage than my one downgrade and play through. By your own hypocritical standards you have harmed more people than I and will continue to do so when ever you play on one of those sub accounts. At least I have the integrity to play as myself and cop whatever comes my way - good or bad.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

OK then I will. You are a hypocrite and you have the audacity to criticise me!

Yes, it is hypocritical and I do think it was unfair of me to have such easy wins to get to S. I knew this, so I tried to get to S as fast as I can so I can do as little damage as possible. I do feel bad about it, and I'm sorry for that. However, yes I do have the audacity to criticize you because unlike me who tried to get out of the lower rankings as quickly as I can, you purposefully lowered your rankings. While the result is the same in the sense that we had unfair and easy wins, the means that we got that isn't the same and that's where you're worse.

If you're good enough to get wins, then why did you tank your ratings in the first place?

So I'm a dirty driver? Is that it?

I'm not being obtuse. Please, tell me how purposefully lowering your rankings to get easy wins is not worse than crashing someone else off to get easy wins. Because I really can't find a reason why that's the case.

Like I said in my first statement, while our result is the same, the means in which we did it is worse and your means is worse. You can flak me all you want for being a hypocrite, because I am, but what I won't stand for is you denying that you're in the wrong.

 

[Nando deBem]

Is it really easier to win in lower ranks? I mean, I’m A+, and all races I participate in are filled with B and C drivers. Some A, maybe 2 or 3 A+... I can’t see how getting in a lower DR is gonna help them.

 

[lisanorm]

Who bloody cares,i really do not know why people have to argue over petty crap.

Do i argue all the time about me being A or B driver and i keep getting flogged by all the fast guys,NO i just get on with it.When i lower my rankings (cheating as some would put it) do i bitch and whinge about all the people i let go past so they can get wins.NO.

So pardon me when i say who ****ING cares.....

 

[Nando deBem]

Who bloody cares,i really do not know why people have to argue over petty crap.

Do i argue all the time about me being A or B driver and i keep getting flogged by all the fast guys,NO i just get on with it.When i lower my rankings (cheating as some would put it) do i bitch and whinge about all the people i let go past so they can get wins.NO.

So pardon me when i say who ****ING cares.....

You’re like Robin Hood! Or something... did I get that right? Do you let people win? I think I didn’t understand it.

 

[lisanorm]

Yes believe it or not,that's up to you.Not everyone is greedy