Abolish The Death Penalty

Famine
The only way to ensure that you can change a murderer (first degree, obviously) into someone you can guarantee will do no more harm is if you execute them.
Click to expand...
I would like proof of such a guarantee, because I can think of several other methods that would guarantee that they would kill no more...

Edit: Now I see what you're saying, but still, there's potential for greater good than any evil may entail in any person, whether it's Bill Gates, some homeless dude on the street, or a guy on death row...
 
okay, what about the Death Penalty as a crime deterant? Do you think someome is more likely to follow through with thoughts of murder in a Capital Punishment State, or a 20 to life w/ parole state? Obviously if they are crazy enough they don't care either way, but what about the people who've never done anything illegal in theire life, and actually take a moment to think about possible consequences of their actions.... Dont' you think fear of the death penalty will discourage them much more than a life sentence? Heck, we should use the Death Penalty a whole bunch more and and then lets' see how crime rates drop....
 
How about if we just execute the murdering bastards and leave it at that .
You murder and you die . Solves the problem. No more murders by that one .
Next up.
Who cares if a murderer can be rehabed ? Lets rehab Saddam ! He can go to work at a gas station ! better yet lets rehab Charles Manson ! Ted Bundy ! Wayne Gacey ! And Berkowitz ! They'd make a killer rock band !
I cant wait for them to save me ! Somebody get me some prozac ...
 
The death penalty is for protection of civilized society. People on death row can't be intergrated back into society, because they will repeat their actions that got them there in the first place.

Kristof
 
Jpec, look dude, you want proof that the Death Penalty gauruntees that they are no longer threats....look up a statistic on how many dead people have committed crimes.

Edit - Reread what you said. It's not the government's place to try and find whatever potential good may be left in someone that has taken the life of another. At that point, the argument is moot IMO.
 
I completey agree^ I have to disagree with Jpec07 on this one. Dead people can't commit crimes, i don't care what Hollywood says.

So, if a murderer of a family of three, says' he's been "Saved", or rehabed or whatever 3 months into his sentence....do we just let him go? He's rehabbed isn't he? Who are we to not believe him, right?
 
ShobThaBob
Jpec, look dude, you want proof that the Death Penalty gauruntees that they are no longer threats....look up a statistic on how many dead people have committed crimes.
Click to expand...
Hey blind man, read my edit. I kinda figured that out and posted fixing my error. And no, if they really are "saved" or whatever they should feel an obligation to stay in jail for their full sentence (if they did manage to grow a conscience in that short time, it would nag them soo much for what they did that they would keep themselves in jail to reconcile). The fact is that a punishment is a punishment. No matter what they say, you keep a criminal in jail for however long they were sentenced.
 
Jpec07
And no, if they really are "saved" or whatever they should feel an obligation to stay in jail for their full sentence (if they did manage to grow a conscience in that short time, it would nag them soo much for what they did that they would keep themselves in jail to reconcile).
Click to expand...


Man, I'm sorry, that's a great ideal, but this ain't fairyland. This is the realworld and people just don't tend to work like that. Let me know when you come back to reality on this issue.
 
It's clear, in reading your responses, that many (most?) of you didn't actually read much of what I wrote. A lot of the questions you ask are answered and backed up with hard statistics.
 
I've noticed that as well. What about the statement that executions cost more than life imprisonment? If this is true, then the death penalty would seem to be just petty revenge, rather than actually doing some good for society.
 
I would like to see a more detailed reason for why the death penalty cost more, it seems ridiculous to me. How in the heck does it cost so much more.......?
 
It is indeed a bit counterintuitive. I'm afraid you'll have to wait for me to return from a vacation in Alaska before I get into it. See you in a few weeks. :)
 
It has to do with the appeals processes and such. Doesnt matter really, we arent debating whether the death penalty in it's current form is cost effective, just whether the death penalty overall is morally right or some crap like that. I dont think the death penalty in it's current form works, but I do think that it's a good idea.
 
Jpec07
The fact is that a punishment is a punishment. No matter what they say, you keep a criminal in jail for however long they were sentenced.
Click to expand...

Nobody who ever goes to jail comes out a better person than they were. They're bitter, more cold-hearted, and generally angry at everyone. Not to mention you become a better criminal in jail. And by the way, you can still kill people in jail, so the only way that murderers are 100% effectively stopped from killing is by killing them. What happens if a murderer gets out of jail angrier than when he went in? Doesn't take a whole lot of thought on the issue, does it?

Oh, and in regards to the first post, I couldn't read all of that stupid garbage. But I'll reply to one of the issues...Who cares if a murderer decides that what he did was wrong? It brings no-one back, and I'm sure if they were that shook up over killing someone, they either wouldn't have done it, or would wish to meet with the same fate they distributed to their victim.
 
If we tolerate capital punishment we ultimatly are no better than the accussed. In a way we are saying its ok to kill someone when they deserve it. How many people out there can take that out of context and take justice into their own hands? Who are we to take life? I'm sure that criminals would much rather prefer to die than rot in a cell for the rest of their lives. So why give them what they want?
 
paperbckwrter
I'm sure that criminals would much rather prefer to die than rot in a cell for the rest of their lives. So why give them what they want?
Click to expand...


well that would be true if they rotted. but they don't. American prisons are not worse than death. If they were then i think things would be different.
 
I would like to see the victim's family decide the fate of a guilty person. If they decide life in prison, then if should be carried out. If they want the death penalty, then they should have the opption to throw the switch.
 
That takes it down to the level of revenge. Criminal Justice works both ways - besides which, how would the family that threw the switch feel if evidence later came to light which exonerated the executed? Now it's not just a case of wrongful conviction and execution, but a family is condemned to feel guilty for the rest of their existence for killing an innocent man.

Which members of the family should be allowed a say in the decision? Only those over voting age, or the victim's only surviving relative, his 14 year old daughter?
 
its a redone crime,

how many inoccent people get killed by their own goverment?


but does a person who killed over 3 people still deserve to live? does he? I guess were stuck here
 
The death penalty should be abolished! Costs too damn much, so does life in prison. I say, we send the guilty subject to the same sick ***** who killed Nick Burg, let them mess with for a little while, it wont cost us a thing..and he's going to end up dead anyway...

But wouldnt it be easier if we used these people as test subjects? In the concentration(sp) camps they took prisoners at random and conducted tests on them. It was basically all torture tests, but to see how people react to things like that. They took people put them in a dark cramped humid isolation and made them listen to tapes of babies crying 24/4 for weeks straight, they eventiually cracked... All life sentence prisoners would make good organ donators, why should these peole who arent going to see the outside world again have "human rights?" their not human if you ask me.

In foreign countires i've heard if you get caught stealing, you get your hands chopped off, simple as that...that is a DAMN good idea. you want to rape someone? go ahead, but were going to castrate you if you ever get released from prison, i mean how can a blind man with no arms and no legs murder someone again? aside from the death penality thats the ultimate punishment, and the only way to make sure it wont happen again
 
well, wahts the diffrence between that, and sticking them in a chair and electrocuting(sp) them for 14 minutes, is that not horrible?

I'm not saying put them in concintration camps, starve them, and gas them..

but the government slaughters cows and leaves them inside out..wouldnt it be easier to do tests like that on murderers? leave those poor cows alone, they dont kill eachother
 
Famine
That takes it down to the level of revenge. Criminal Justice works both ways - besides which, how would the family that threw the switch feel if evidence later came to light which exonerated the executed? Now it's not just a case of wrongful conviction and execution, but a family is condemned to feel guilty for the rest of their existence for killing an innocent man.

Which members of the family should be allowed a say in the decision? Only those over voting age, or the victim's only surviving relative, his 14 year old daughter?
Click to expand...
The families should work that out amongst themselves. If one family member objects, the court should take that into effect. Yes, I still think the judge has the final say regarding the fate of the prisoner, but he/she should take the consideration of the victim's family members.
 
but the government slaughters cows and leaves them inside out..wouldnt it be easier to do tests like that on murderers?
Click to expand...

no,

i still wouldnt compare cows to murderers. I just dont think its right to make tests with them. They killed or raped whatever, and they gotta pay for that by getting killed. Doing test with them would destroy the connections with other nations, it make the country a bad name, real bad name and they will get compared with the nazis, defenetly.

Do test with cows, do em with pigs, with mice.....go ahead

just dont go to far, and make experiments with intelligent, and almost died out animals. Nor humans...thats just messed up
 

Similar threads

wlashack
Deep Forest track limit penalty
Replies
19
Views
2K
shadow0460
S
M
Sideswiping penalty or rather lack of penalty
Replies
5
Views
656
Cherryturbo
Cherryturbo
Haitauer
Sportmode / Daily race PvP penalty and SR system observations and suggestions
Replies
4
Views
343
newmedia_dev
N
I
Penalty problems
Replies
3
Views
670
ZEE
ZEE
CnPx
Ideas for improving the penalty system
Replies
21
Views
2K
NikNakTobasco
NikNakTobasco

Latest Posts

Back