Accell times, Ring times for all cars in here!

[Daddybird]

Hi friends from GTP forum!

I'm back with something different!
Being a car enthousiast and a (occasionally) real life racingdriver (RX-8 2004 on the Ring and lots of bikes) I've had the idea to put all cars that come in the Arcade mode on the Ring with N2 tires and no TC etc. control and a Manual Transmission to see how real it feels compared to real life. Also I wanted to see how close the GT4 times were compared to the real times on the Ring.

(Using a NTSC.J version of GT4 and a DFP)

I didn't drive to get the fastest time in GT4 tho!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I've driven the cars to the max, but exactly like you would do in REAL LIFE, so no grass cuttings or curbstone smackings (try that on the real Ring and you'll lose you suspension)! So I drove the real racinglines, used the real braking points, geared manual at the ideal point
and drove the cars how they should be driven (a Skyline drives totally different from an S2000 for example). Some cars should be driven hard (i.e powersliding in a controlled way) or driven careful (very powerful cars or and heavy cars).

Since I've done that, I also had the idea to test the cars to their limits on the test course to get as real as possible. Also NO tsc etc **** going on here AND N2 tires too!
I tested the 0-100, 160, 200, 250, 300 km/h times, topspeed and the usual 400m and 1000m sprints to get as real as possible.
I found that the FF and FR cars had less grip in the game than in real life, as you can see with cars like the Supra and powerful american cars.

I will be updating this topic as much as I can so that you guys can enjoy the times, like I do! So keep in mind, times are as realistic as possible!

I will first show you the times for the Japanese cars (well the cars that can do over 200k's), after that I will show you the rest, hope you will enjoy it!

Cheers, DaddyBird.

HIGH SPEED COURSE SHOOTOUT 2006 N2 NO TC/ESP ETC. MT

CAR					0-400m	0-1000m	TOPkm/h	0-100km/h 0-160km/h 0-200km/h 0-250km/h 0-300km/h

Amuse S2000 '04				14.459	26.000	255       6.2       14.6      23.3       55.6      -
Amuse S2000 R1 '04			13.644	24.979	261       5.4       13.2      21.4       49.5      -

Buick GNX '87				14.621  26.583	239       6.6       15.5      27.2       -         -

Cadillac Cien '02			11.902	20.398	369       4.4        7.8      10.8       15.6      21.8

Chevrolet SSR '03			15.362	28.291	221       7.9       19.5      34.3       -         -
Chevrolet Camaro SS '69			14.323  25.898	194       6.3       13.3      -          -         -
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00			13.999	24.982	282       6.1       12.7      19.8       36.6      -
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 350 '69	14.568	25.368	224       6.8       12.8      19.5       -         -
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 '00		13.495	23.790	291       5.5       11.0      16.8       27.2      -
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 '70		13.971	24.805	217       6.2       12.1      18.7       -         -
Chevrolet SST Silverado Concept '02	14.570	25.437	264       6.9       12.8      19.7       39.7      -

Chrysler Crossfire '04			14.645	26.753	250	  6.5	    16.0      27.2	 1'41.4    -
Chrysler Prowler '02			14.396	26.276	223       6.1       14.2      26.4       -         -

Dodge SRT4 '03				15.510	27.364	235       7.8       16.2      25.9       -         -
Dodge RAM 1500 Hemi '04			14.178	26.843	211       6.2       17.0      40.1       -         -
Dodge Charger 440R/T '70		13.402  24.528	195       5.2       11.7      -          -         -	
Dodge Viper SRT10 '03			12.544	22.086	323       5.0        9.3      13.7       21.2	   40.5	

ERT Supra T410S '98			13.147	23.132	310       5.0       10.2      15.0       25.1      52.0
ERT Supra T430R '00			12.987  22.683	308       5.0        9.6      12.9	 22.7	   50.0	
ERT Supra T860R '02			12.587  20.553	383       5.0        8.8      11.0       14.5      19.5
ERT Supra T860RR '02 (N3)		12.057	20.021	383       4.5        8.3      10.5       14.0      19.0
ERT NSX-R N380R '05			12.185	21.707	316       4.4        8.6      12.8       21.2      40.8
ERT S2000 T300R '02			13.380	24.043	266       5.1       11.4      17.9       37.7      -
ERT R34 GT-R T555R Nur Special '05	11.205	20.111	322       3.4        6.7      10.0       16.6      31.0
ERT R33 GT-R T530S '01			11.212	20.153	325       3.4        6.9      10.3	 16.8	   28.8
ERT R32 GT-R T600R '04			11.225	19.943	331       3.4        6.9       9.8	 15.5      26.7
ERT MR-S N240R '04			13.370	24.028	267       5.0       11.4      17.9       34.9      -
ERT Impreza T530R Nur Special '04	10.800	19.575	309       3.0        6.1       9.4       15.5      31.0
ERT 911 GT3 N530R '03			11.222	19.936	338       3.7        6.9      10.0       15.8      25.9
ERT RX-7 T640R '05			11.022	19.149	358       3.9        6.5       9.2       13.1      20.4

Ford Mustang GT '05			14.944	26.484	253       7.0       14.6      23.7       1'21.0    -
Ford SVT F-150 Lightning '03		13.589	25.280	239       5.4       13.8      23.7	 -         -
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00		13.733	24.373	288       5.8       11.7      18.2	 32.4      -
Ford GT Concept '02			11.494	20.605	339       3.5        7.7      11.0       17.7	   30.3	

Honda Civic Type R '04                  15.212	27.257	246       7.6	    16.2      27.1       -         - 
Honda Integra Type R '03		15.383	27.178	253       7.8       15.8      25.7       1'19.1    -     
Honda S2000 '03				14.497	26.229	261       6.3       15.1      24.3       59.4      -
Honda NSX ´90				16.692	24.814	283       5.6       12.5      20.2       40.2      -
Honda NSX Type R '02			13.058	23.790	291       4.9       11.2      17.6       32.5      -
     	
Mazda RX-8 S '04			14.390	25.750	270       6.4       13.9      20.0       43.5      -
Mazda Atenza High Power '05		13.725	25.503	261	  5.5       14.0      24.0       1'03.5    -
Mazda RX-7 '90			       	15.020	27.180	251	  7.0	    16.8      27.5	 1'26.0	   -
Mazda RX-7 Type R '91			14.319	25.788	268       6.0       13.9      22.4       45.6      -
Mazda RX-7 Bathurst Type R '01		13.751	24.706	276       5.5       12.2      19.4       35.6      -

Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS '03		15.892	28.431	248       8.0	    18.8      30.7       -         -
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II GSR '94	14.519	26.395	244       6.7       14.8      25.9       -         -
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04	12.720	23.572	274       4.6       10.8      17.9       36.7      -
Mitsubishi 3000GT '95			13.618	24.989	275	  5.4       12.9      21.3       42.5      -

NISMO 350Z GT Aero '04     		14.024	25.311	272       5.8       13.5      21.8       45.6      -
NISMO 270R '94				15.239	26.511	267       7.3       14.9      22.3       42.2      -
NISMO 400R '96				12.496	22.931	290       4.3       10.0      15.9       29.4      -
NISMO Skyline R32 S-Tune '00		12.509	22.746	303       4.4	     9.9      15.4	 27.7	   1'14.8
NISMO GT-R R-Tune R34 '99		12.299	22.350	306       4.2        9.4      14.2	 24.9	   1'11.9

Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R '89		13.158	24.367	269	  4.8	    12.1      20.1       44.0      -
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R V-Spec '95	13.109	24.195	280	  4.9	    11.8      19.6	 39.1	   -
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R '00		12.836	23.817	277	  4.6	    11.3      18.6	 37.0      -
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R M-Spec Nur '02	12.775	23.738	277       4.5       11.2      18.4       36.7      -
Nissan 350Z GT4 LM edition '05		13.889	25.027	284       5.7       13.1      20.6       40.4      -
Nissan Sylvia SpecR Aero S15 '99	14.786	26.354	269       6.7       15.0      23.8       56.8      -
Nissan Skyline 350GT Coupé '03		14.404	25.853	275       6.2       14.1      22.7       46.9      -
Nissan Skyline 350GT-8 '02		13.768	25.265	256       5.5       13.3      22.5       1'05.2    -

Opera Performance S2000 '04		13.683	24.389	280       5.7       12.2      18.2       33.9      - 
Opera Performance 350Z '04		13.588	24.117	289       5.7       11.8      17.6       30.8      -

Pontiac GTO '64				14.264  25.768	193       6.5       12.7      -          -         -
Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04			14.170	25.411	256       6.1       13.7      21.1       48.5      -

Spoon Sports Civic Type R '00		15.096	26.484	253       7.8       15.2      22.5	 1'00.4    -	

Subaru Impreza WRX STI Spec C '04	12.607	23.398	276       4.2       10.4      17.6       35.3      -

Tom's Chaser X540 '00			13.926	25.116  270	  5.7       12.7      20.7	 49.1      -		

Toyota Supra 2.5GT TT '90		15.137	26.702	269       7.2       15.4      23.7       49.2      -
Toyota Supra RZ '97			14.135	24.920	290       6.0       12.4      19.0       34.1      -




NURBURGRING NORDSCHLEIFE SHOOTOUT 2006 N2 NO TC/ESP ETC. MT

Amuse S2000 '04				8'19.605	246
Amuse S2000 R1 '04			7'56.769	248

Buick GNX '87						

Cadillac Cien '02			7'24.571	347

Chevrolet SSR '03			8'56.007	212
Chevrolet Camaro SS '69			8'43.417	194
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00			8'14.434	263
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 350 '69	8'24.944	224
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 '00		7'53.296	273
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 '70		8'29.923	220
Chevrolet SST Silverado Concept '02	8'16.122	254

Chrysler Crossfire '04			8'32.920	230
Chrysler Prowler '02			8'38.184	215

Dodge SRT4 '03				8'44.462	229
Dodge RAM 1500 Hemi '04			9'03.857	205
Dodge Charger 440R/T '70		8'41.106	195
Dodge Viper SRT10 '03			7'46.331	299

ERT Supra T410S '98			7'59.307	289
ERT Supra T430R '00			7'43.403	293
ERT Supra T860R '02			
ERT Supra T860RR '02 (N3)		7'11.042	364
ERT NSX-R N380R '05			7'43.125	300
ERT S2000 T300R '02			7'57.752	256
ERT R34 GT-R T555R Nur Special '05	7'29.804	306
ERT R33 GT-R T530S '01			7'45.524	307
ERT R32 GT-R T600R '04			7'37.207	314
ERT MR-S N240R '04			8'02.299	260
ERT Impreza T530R Nur Special '04	7'22.846	308
ERT 911 GT3 N530R '03	
ERT RX-7 T640R '05		

Ford Mustang GT '05			8'27.856	232
Ford SVT F-150 Lightning '03		8'41.878	225
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00		8'05.067	268
Ford GT Concept '02			7'34.876	312				

Honda Civic Type R '04			8'49.638	227
Honda Integra Type R '03		8'43.540	234
Honda S2000 '03				8'26.828	240
Honda NSX ´90				8´19.354	255
Honda NSX Type R '02			7'58.000	265
	
Mazda RX-8 S '04			8'17.737	253
Mazda Atenza High Power '05		8'39.495	237
Mazda RX-7 '90				8'39.784	234
Mazda RX-7 Type R '91			8'26.277	252
Mazda RX-7 Bathurst Type R '01		8'10.055	262

Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS '03		9'04.147	228
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II GSR '94	8'40.416	238
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR '04	8'16.192	255
Mitsubishi 3000GT '95			8'34.111	254

NISMO 350Z GT Aero '04			8'10.762	249
NISMO 270R '94				8'26.599	256
NISMO 400R '96				8'01.949	276
NISMO Skyline R32 S-Tune '00		7'56.728	279
NISMO GT-R R-Tune R34 '99		7'51.656	278				

Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R '89		8'22.873	251
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R V-Spec '95	8'17.248	257
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R '00		8'09.496	258
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R M-Spec Nur '02  8'06.655	258
Nissan 350Z GT4 LM edition '05	        8'12.604	253
Nissan Sylvia SpecR Aero S15 '99	8'24.638	241
Nissan Skyline 350GT Coupé '03		8'23.421	249
Nissan Skyline 350GT-8 '02		8'29.580	238

Opera Performance S2000 '04		7'54.896	268
Opera Performance 350Z '04		7'56.471	276

Pontiac GTO '64				8'47.290	193
Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04			8'15.378	249

Spoon Sports Civic Type R '00		8'37.806	245

Subaru Impreza WRX STI Spec C '04	8'06.777	265

Tom's Chaser X540 '00			8'23.001	246

Toyota Supra 2.5GT TT '90		8'28.564	246
Toyota Supra RZ '97			8'10.108	269

 

[JasBird]

Fantasic job Daddybird!! 👍 I'm gonna watch this thread. Not being a race driver myself and never been to the Ring, I also try to drive like I think I would in real life, not taking big chances etc. I think this is important if you wanna do comparison. If I really wanna go for a time in the game I would do things I would never dare in real life, so for me that is part of the sim experience. I also think the fear factor is way underestimated.

Anyways from the top of my head since I don't have my PS2 available and haven't played for a while I think our times are almost excactly the same down to the second with N2, MT and the DFP. Hopefully I still have the times on my memory card. My times in Enthusia Proffesional Racing are very close to.

I checked some of the times from Best Motoring Time Attacks at the Nurburgring and the are very close to your times

Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 (1989) 8'22'38 Same as you
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (1995) 8'01'72 16 seconds faster in real life
Honda NSX-R (2002) 7'56'73 2 seconds faster in real life
EVO VIII MR GSR (2003) 8'14'98 Damp track, 2 sec faster in RL
Impreza STI Spec C (2004) 8'06'01 Same as you

Hope you didn't mind me posting these times so I mess up your thread?? Just let me know and I will edit it or ask the moderator to delete my post.

Keep up the good work 👍

 

[Daddybird]

No problems Bullit, thank you for posting the real times.
I know the differences, I have the Best Motoring DVD's and the Time Attack with the R33 GT-R is crazy, He does 290km/h on the back straight, something I couldn't even manage with the NISMO 400R.
I think it was a prepared car!
The one with the NSX-R is indeed VERY close, same with the R32 GT-R that's even identical, it says alot bout this great game.
In real life tho, You FEEL the G-Forces, so it's a bit more easy to drift and brake, in GT4 you don't (really) feel the excitement, so you make mistakes more early (lots of ppl think you make LESS, but not true!).

I will update this thread as much as possible, only the lay-out has been screwed up by some reason, maybe someone knows what to do?

Thanx,
DaddyBird.

 

[Der Alta]

No, it won't become a sticky.

I've add [code] tags to the layout, as it is the only way to make your layout work. vB doesn't react with spaces as you'd think it would. It will only account for 1 space, after a word. With the [code] tag added, your work appears better. Plus, anyone can cut and paste it into notepad or excel to compare their times and yours.

This thread isn't in the most appropriate spot. The Race Reports forum, or the spot races and lap time comparison forum would be better. Your choice to move it to either of those places.

One a content related note, it looks like you've extensively tested these out. My questions are, how many laps did you run each car, and do you think there might be an improvement from the first car you ran to the last due to having run more laps?

Thanks,

Der Alta

 

[Daddybird]

I ran 2 laps with each car on the Ring, being the 1st to get a feel with the car, the 2nd lap was to set a good time, so driving the good line, branking at the right places etc. as fast as possible, without becoming unrealistic.
I think I can shave some time of all the times if I spend more laps with every car, but it would take me ages. Maybe when I've tested all the cars, I will lap some cars again to get a better time, for now, the American cars are coming soon!

Cheers.

PS. Thanx alot for the layout change!

PS2. I didn't read your question right, sorry, I'll try to answer is right now.

Well, I'm a Ring junkie to say so, I've driven over 200 laps in real life by bike and about 60-70 by car, not that I do 8 mins laptimes, but I do know how to drive it in real life.
In GT4, before I started doing this 'shootout' I maybe have driven over 1000 laps maybe much more in GT4, just with all the cars I wanted to, doing Familycup etc. I even bought the game to improve my driving for real life purposes, so I can get to the Ring and still be familiar with it in the upcoming spring.
So I don't think that I improved much during the test. That's the answer you like to hear I guess.

 

[Daddybird]

1st update! American cars!

 

[Daddybird]

Not many posts in almost 5 years....

 

[PF]

Yeah, but I imagine 5 years ago the thread would have been swamped by fanfics etc and dropped of the front page. I've never seen it.

Could be good to aggregate this info with some of the other data available here. eg, in Excel sort FWD by WPR (adjusted to one decimal place) then by 'ring time. Or cars by type then WPR then 400m time.

I've long wanted to do a massive GT4 cars spreadsheet but simply don't have the time. Sadly I won't get it done in the next ten days so seems unlikely it'll happen.

 

[Daddybird]

I know mate, no blame there, it's just that I did put a lot of effort in it but nobody responded but I know it's good info..... well maybe for GT5 ey?>