Advice Thread: What Is Wrong With Me?

[Drew71]

Lago Maggiore... looked darn hot to me.
Notice a lot less front end scrub when your laid that lap down.

Only one place I can offer a suggestion... on the last 2 semi-linked rights before the front straight.
The first of those is a late apex, and you can hear your cars rev's stumble (or possibly you lift for a split second there) at the apex when you correct the steering... Your breaking point looks good (which probably means it's early for what I'm going to suggest) but hold that turn in off a little later, forget about the apex you see and aim for the one that you currently are making your second downshift at. When you get that right, you will have enough exit speed that you'll not need to hit the throttle on the short "straight" between the 2 corners... instead you'll be doing the braking and second down shift that you currently make in that first of these 2 rights.
And again, this is for quali., or when not pressured.
Maybe @zzz_pt can chime in... seems he gets it on at this track rather well.

That's all I've got... try it...
Again, I aspire to be as fast as you... I think I have the mind for it... just short on skills.

Can’t tell what lap time he did, but without using the aggressive inside line in T4 I hit a 1:54.1, just for reference

 

[cleanLX]

Can’t tell what lap time he did, but without using the aggressive inside line in T4 I hit a 1:54.1, just for reference

I'm not getting into "track limits"... and I'm sure @Nando deBem doesn't want to go there either... he's plenty darn fast without bringing any of that into this discussion.
I just viewed the videos and offered what "suggestions" I can.

 

[Drew71]

I'm not getting into "track limits"... and I'm sure @Nando deBem doesn't want to go there either... he's plenty darn fast without bringing any of that into this discussion.
I just viewed the videos and offered what "suggestions" I can.

I’m not getting into either, I️ simple put that because it seemed he also ran the outside of the curb in T4 like I️ do, so it’s a good reference

 

[BSDShoes]

I always go inside on T4 on Maggiore, lets me accelerate up hill faster for some reason.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

This time with inputs!

What can I change in this lap?
I’m starring to think I’m not smooth enough when turning.

Looking at your replay, sometimes you brake too much too early and are too aggressive with steering input which is unsettling car and are more laterally loaded than you need to be scrubbing off more speed. Just through 130R alone you can make up a lot of time by minimising your steering input and carrying a lot more minimum speed utilising the downforce, should be able to go full throttle sooner on exit due to not inducing understeer so gain on exit speed will be quite large as well. You are quite hesitant on exit of Casio triangle (Noticed that also on Maggiore, you seem to wait a bit too much before going fully on the power), if you are a bit more harder and earlier on the power, that will be a decent gain for you as long as you avoid wheelspin.

You are averaging about half a second off the pace in each of the four sectors on Suzuka which is quite a lot. If you go with the flow of the car through the corners more, not only will your lap times reduce, it should feel a lot easier as well due to requiring less inputs and spending less time in the corners.

Below is onboard of my lap using DS4, not the greatest lap but you should be able to see what I mean by looking at my inputs.

 

[flamingchariot]

Brake before corner (a little early doesn't hurt esp with Porsche its a beast in corners) the speed you can carry out is doubled plus the car will be stable...late braking has major issues the main one being overrunning and messing up all your lines for all the consecutive corners after turn 1. If you are gentle in turn 1 the amount of braking needed is greatly reduced and your average speed is increased which is the result you are looking for ...right?

 

[dabz343]

This time with inputs!

What can I change in this lap?
I’m starring to think I’m not smooth enough when turning.

Good lap, but there is one obvious opportunity. Corner entry, initial braking and turn in.

The fast guys have an uncanny way of scrubbing speed and placing the car towards the desired apex WITHOUT upsetting the chassis. This results in optimal traction mid corner and leads to an early throttle exit.

I would recommend spending a day/week just on practicing corner entry. First, nail the braking zone. Get to level where even under worn tires, you are able to hit the exact spot consistently. Then incorporate the initial turn in phase by utilizing trailbraking. But be mindful of how you get OFF your brakes. GTS does not support linear brake application so finding the right % may feel strange compared to pedal position. You may be surprised as to how deep you can trailbrake, but explore the limit until you are able to come off the brakes in a smooth, progressive manner while maintaining an optimal line.

You are already blending throttle and brakes mid and exit. Now try building the same level of confidence during corner entry. Lastly, be mindful of how you get OFF YOUR BRAKE PEDAL. Cheers.

 

[cleanLX]

I would recommend spending a day/week just on practicing corner entry. First, nail the braking zone. Get to level where even under worn tires, you are able to hit the exact spot consistently. Then incorporate the initial turn in phase by utilizing trailbraking. But be mindful of how you get OFF your brakes. GTS does not support linear brake application so finding the right % may feel strange compared to pedal position. You may be surprised as to how deep you can trailbrake, but explore the limit until you are able to come off the brakes in a smooth, progressive manner while maintaining an optimal line.

I have been working so hard at this... and still have a long way to go. It has helped tremendously in online racing. I was giving up so much (and losing places). I was watching S guys fast laps and asking myself "how the heck are they getting on the brake so late?"... then noticed they were still braking while turning in... that blew my mind. Getting better... but... like I said, long way to go... now I'm having trouble transitioning from trailbrake to keeping mid corner speed up/throttle on... it's coming... This alone has taken me from low Dr.B to high Dr.B. Pretty big jump improving only braking, but, loosing some of my mid/exit speed. Get it all figured out and maybe, just maybe I'll scratch into low low low Dr.A.

be mindful of how you get OFF YOUR BRAKE PEDAL.

So true.

 

[Nando deBem]

Thanks everybody for taking your time and helping me!
I’ll probably try Maggiore first, because of the Canadian Championship, but I’m really excited about the Suzuka tips. Since I got GT Sport, I’m trying to get under 2:00. I’m almost there!!! Then, there’s 1.5 more seconds to you guys... but I’ll try that later lol

 

[Drew71]

Thanks everybody for taking your time and helping me!
I’ll probably try Maggiore first, because of the Canadian Championship, but I’m really excited about the Suzuka tips. Since I got GT Sport, I’m trying to get under 2:00. I’m almost there!!! Then, there’s 1.5 more seconds to you guys... but I’ll try that later lol

I️ have a 1:58.7 on the nations leaderboard right now that you can watch the replay. There’s another .4/5 in it for sure

 

[Nando deBem]

I️ have a 1:58.7 on the nations leaderboard right now that you can watch the replay. There’s another .4/5 in it for sure

I hope it’s still there when I get home! 5 more hours!

 

[Drew71]

I hope it’s still there when I get home! 5 more hours!

Should be

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

Hoping you guys will have a watch of my lap in today's Race B - Suzuka Gr4. I'm down to a 2:08.024 with an optimal time of 2:07.9xx but that's still half a second off of number 10 and just over a second off of numero uno - where am I losing the time?

 

[zzz_pt]

Hoping you guys will have a watch of my lap in today's Race B - Suzuka Gr4. I'm down to a 2:08.024 with an optimal time of 2:07.9xx but that's still half a second off of number 10 and just over a second off of numero uno - where am I losing the time?

I think you can easily get 3/4 tenths in the first sector alone. You're braking too much for the first 2 corners and you also brake into the S ( first right hander).

I'm not sure about your second sector but it looks good. On my lap I got to the second sector on a 55.7 you get there at 56.140.

Dunno what brake bias you use but maybe pushing it a bit to the rear can help you in the first sector.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

I think you can easily get 3/4 tenths in the first sector alone. You're braking too much for the first 2 corners and you also brake into the S ( first right hander).

I'm not sure about your second sector but it looks good. On my lap I got to the second sector on a 55.7 you get there at 56.140.

Dunno what brake bias you use but maybe pushing it a bit to the rear can help you in the first sector.

Cheers for the heads up - I feel like any less brake and T1 takes me wide, but I'll give it a shot! When you say first right hander are we talking the corner after the first turn / double apex, followed by the left? Ie 23 secs in?

 

[zzz_pt]

Cheers for the heads up - I feel like any less brake and T1 takes me wide, but I'll give it a shot! When you say first right hander are we talking the corner after the first turn / double apex, followed by the left? Ie 23 secs in?

Yep, exactly.

I don't know if my lap is still there but you can check at least the first corner ^^.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

Yep, exactly.

I don't know if my lap is still there but you can check at least the first corner ^^.

Cool, I'm logged off now but I'll have a go tomorrow - assuming you are just lifting for the right hander? I brake and downshift! I thought it would cut time into / out of the immediate left as I could take a wider line

 

[zzz_pt]

Cool, I'm logged off now but I'll have a go tomorrow - assuming you are just lifting for the right hander? I brake and downshift! I thought it would cut time into / out of the immediate left as I could take a wider line

You can downshift if you want without touching the brakes.

 

[dabz343]

Hoping you guys will have a watch of my lap in today's Race B - Suzuka Gr4. I'm down to a 2:08.024 with an optimal time of 2:07.9xx but that's still half a second off of number 10 and just over a second off of numero uno - where am I losing the time?

Great lap! Not much there to critique, you're nearly flawless.

So maybe the question is, where can you push it? Perhaps your TC is too intrusive? Try turning it down, or off, and see if Dunlop - Hairpin - Spoon can be taken quicker.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

Great lap! Not much there to critique, you're nearly flawless.

So maybe the question is, where can you push it? Perhaps your TC is too intrusive? Try turning it down, or off, and see if Dunlop - Hairpin - Spoon can be taken quicker.

Thanks mate, it's a valid point about TC, quite possible it's costing a tenth or two although the M4 doesn't seem to be too mullered by it - the Gr3 RSR definitely gets affected as the engine bogs down rapidly if the back steps out, so it's something I need to work on anyway! I'll try some laps without TC to work on throttle control. There's over 4 tenths in S1 compared to zzz's lap and TCS shouldn't play into any of those corners in a Gr4 so I need to reduce the braking and get ballsy through the technical section!

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Personally I find the best way to improve my times has always been to set aside a few hours to race on one track, now with the offline mode you can practice individual turns on tracks to get times down. Just keep trying to beat your ghost.

Keep practicing and you’ll improve

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

How do you mean practice individual turns? As in you can set a section of track like circuit experience?

 

[mirial]

n

I had an idea for a thread!

What about a place we can post videos, and then get advice on how to improve our driving?
Maybe we are missing something that other people can help us with!

My goal is to be on the leaderboards, so I need to improve my driving.
What should I do to improve this lap?

Most of the time is usually made up on corner entry provided exit speed isn't compromised and the biggest issue with GTS (and I'm talking on behalf of many here) is being able to properly rotate the car on the limit after heavy braking. So as far as I can tell, to go faster, it's more down to a 'knack' rather than consciously braking later and later together with being more gentle coming off the brake pedal.

Throughout GT5, I used no ABS and was able to consistently not use it after months of practice with good effect, but in GTS, no matter how much (I try) to get those tyres on the limit to rotate the car, the default ABS automatically reduces it to 90% every time with the car just bobbing along mid-corner. To prove it's the ABS, I've done many laps without it and as expected, it's much easier to rotate the car freely and then hold it with the throttle, although lap times are typically 1-2 secs slower, mostly because of having to brake earlier.

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

n

Most of the time is usually made up on corner entry provided exit speed isn't compromised and the biggest issue with GTS (and I'm talking on behalf of many here) is being able to properly rotate the car on the limit after heavy braking. So as far as I can tell, to go faster, it's more down to a 'knack' rather than consciously braking later and later together with being more gentle coming off the brake pedal.

Throughout GT5, I used no ABS and was able to consistently not use it after months of practice with good effect, but in GTS, no matter how much (I try) to get those tyres on the limit to rotate the car, the default ABS automatically reduces it to 90% every time with the car just bobbing along mid-corner. To prove it's the ABS, I've done many laps without it and as expected, it's much easier to rotate the car freely and then hold it with the throttle, although lap times are typically 1-2 secs slower, mostly because of having to brake earlier.

I hear you - I've found that a little dab of additional lock can help it rotate, almost forcing the matter for tight corners, although in some cases can be detrimental by scrubbing too much speed. Also, brake balance to the rear can help turn in

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Yeah circuit experience, was trying to think of the name. You’ll quickly see where the best lines are.

How do you mean practice individual turns? As in you can set a section of track like circuit experience?

 

[mirial]

I hear you - I've found that a little dab of additional lock can help it rotate, almost forcing the matter for tight corners, although in some cases can be detrimental by scrubbing too much speed. Also, brake balance to the rear can help turn in

The biggest issue I find is that the more refined the driver input is to get the speed, the more effective that 🤬 ABS is in neutralising anything you do as the driver or any settings you change.

 

[Nando deBem]

I just wanna say “thank you”.
After reading through your tips, I was able to plan my lap better, and qualified in the Canadian Championship in 3rd!

I know it’s not a perfect lap, but I’m proud of it!

Thanks!!!

This is the lap:

 

[dabz343]

I just wanna say “thank you”.
After reading through your tips, I was able to plan my lap better, and qualified in the Canadian Championship in 3rd!

I know it’s not a perfect lap, but I’m proud of it!

Thanks!!!

This is the lap:

Your a quick study. Looking like a pro.

May I ask, what did you focus on improving and perhaps more importantly, what technique helped you gain time?

 

[Macboyilija]

I hear people about checking the laps. In sport mode you can click on the top 10 and watch their round. But you cannot ghost them within your own timetrial right ? Or am I missing an option ?

Also the top 10 is not shown in your own timetrials. So only top 10 from sportmode of that specific track right ?

Or can we go to circuit missions and watch the top 10 there ? Although I doubt people are driving there.

I would appreciate any help.

 

[Nando deBem]

Replying this one:

Your a quick study. Looking like a pro.

May I ask, what did you focus on improving and perhaps more importantly, what technique helped you gain time?

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Most aliens and experienced drivers I've seen tend to have a biased brake balance for the rear (+5 most of the time). Some of them change it on the fly. I keep it +5 around the whole lap and manage top10 times usually. I might change it depending on the track and car. I can't comment on BB for FWD cars because I don't drive them. ^^

Now that I'm thinking about Lake Maggiore, setting the BB on 0 for the heavy breaking zone after sector #2 might be a good idea. Gotta try that.

This is only my opinion ofc. Some of what makes a top10 lap will depend of your driving style.

I tried to keep my brake balance in 5 to the rear. This made me lock less the front tires and helped me turning in.

Seems pretty slow but then smooth always does, and I do not drive a porsche so I cant say anything about your line.
Although you do seem to brake far into the corner which I prefer to brake before the corner and carry more exit speed.

I tried no to dive into the corner too much. Braking a little bit earlier, speacially on T5 and the right turn after the S and the long straight. It allowed me to have a better exit speed in a uphill part of the circuit.

In Lago Maggiore you want to be inside all the way through the first corner, then cut as much as possible into the second (two wheels in the yellow area inside the curb)
You also want to cut as much as possible going into the banked right hander after the long straight; iirc you can even put the outside wheels on the curb itself and you won't get penalized, but I only advice cutting that much during quali
The last that I remember is the last 2 right hander combo before the two left handers leading to the home straight. Cut deeply into the first right hander, again two wheels inside the curb, then run wide. Lift off to tighten your line again, then cut as much as possible once more into the second right hander.

I tried to follow this line, speacially for sector 1. It really helps you get in a better position for T4.

On your Maggiore lap, you need to run much wider on T4 <whistle>

Definetly, run wide on T4.

Less lock (steering angle) you have applied, more throttle you can use... so the more you have the car neutral (not understeering/oversteering) at the apex, the less lock you'll need to apply and the more throttle you can use... and the fast your exit will be.

I tried to turn less my wheel. In braking zones, I think Brake Balance to the rear made me need to apply less angle, because the car would almost turn itself. And specially in the S, the right turn part, you have to release the wheel a little bit. If you don’t, you either lose speed, or you spin. And more steering angle through the S makes your car unstable, because it takes too much time to go from on side to the other. I think that gives the car mor time to transfer it’s weight, and it’s harder to come back in a good line.

For the Maggie lap, you don’t need to cut the turn 4 corner on the inside to achieve a super fast lap. But running wide is key.

WIIIIIDE!

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I still gotta read the Suzuka tips again and try to improve my time there!