All appreciation for Marcos Ambrose will stop. Right NOW.

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Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Yeah, that is what pisses me off. "Holden are crap cos they rely on Chev" and that sort of bull****. I dont see the Falcon having its own engine from Aussie (V8, that is), but been Ford all over the world, the ****wits that dont know **** cant accept that, or get it through their thick heads.
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calm down mate
take your ritalin or something damn

seriously. i couldnt give a flying turd where the engines come from. So what is the Holdens are actually chev and the ford engines are from detroit. you have to admit that the engines are purely awesome and provide great racing

enough said
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
**** it, lets just go back to the old days when makers would make cars specifically for this racing -"big tank" Charger, XU2 Torana (I read in AMC that it was actually going to be called XU1 II) and phase IV GTHOs)

But, production cars are relatively boring compared to the supercars (sooooo slow)

And you say about Holden relying on Chev for their engines- Ford do the same- FoMoCo USA
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I actually think you'll find that FoMoCo stands for Ford Motor Company. Whereas Ford's V8s are sourced from their overseas counterparts, Holden engines come from Chev.

I suppose you can say that Chev is effectively Holden, because they are owned by the same company. But that's not true - if Holden had any guts they wouldn't be afraid of using their own 5.0-litre V8.

But all Holden have to do really, is to build bigger engines. If they went above their 308, they wouldn't have had to source bigger engines from the US.
 
Originally posted by millencolin
calm down mate
take your ritalin or something damn

seriously. i couldnt give a flying turd where the engines come from. So what is the Holdens are actually chev and the ford engines are from detroit. you have to admit that the engines are purely awesome and provide great racing

enough said
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Yeah I agree on both accounts, but was just pointing out to Sandstorm that the Ford V8s are doing just the same as Holden where they are getting their engines from
 
Not quite...
Ford import half the engine from the canadian truck division, take other bits from the mustang and bang 'em all together after a few mods to make their 'own' engine.
As it's actually built in OZ (albiet from mainly o/seas parts) Ford can claim to have the only v8 built in OZ...

of course, that's only applicable to the 5.4 in the production falcons. I'm unsure to where the 5 litre pushrods in the supercars are produced (used to know, but I'm getting old now:) )
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Holden dont need to produce their own V8, they are using a perfect one out of the US

The V6 on the other hand...
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That's my point - Holden have to rely on Chev to bail them out. If Holden produced their OWN 5.7-litre V8, that'd be different.

Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Yeah I agree on both accounts, but was just pointing out to Sandstorm that the Ford V8s are doing just the same as Holden where they are getting their engines from
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No, Holden use Chev engines, as I said above, but Ford use their own engines, just sourced from the US.
 
Ahhh ****ing hell

If I can recall correctly, Ford Australia have not made their own V8 engine. Ever. And have had to rely on the yanks for them.

What Holden are doing with the LS1 is the same as what Ford have been doing for decades (except Holden dont assemle them in Oz), getting their V8s from the American branch of the same company(in Fords case, Ford America, Holdens, Chev).

Like I said before, why would Holden design and build a V8 when there is at least two from the US which are probably superior to what they could turn out at the moment?
Are you gunna start saying **** that Holden should replace the Astra, Vectra etc. with their own car instead of rebadgeing the ones from Europe?
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Ahhh ****ing hell

If I can recall correctly, Ford Australia have not made their own V8 engine. Ever. And have had to rely on the yanks for them.

What Holden are doing with the LS1 is the same as what Ford have been doing for decades (except Holden dont assemle them in Oz), getting their V8s from the American branch of the same company(in Fords case, Ford America, Holdens, Chev).
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There you go then - I've got your meaning now that you've explained it in better terms. :D

Like I said before, why would Holden design and build a V8 when there is at least two from the US which are probably superior to what they could turn out at the moment?
Are you gunna start saying **** that Holden should replace the Astra, Vectra etc. with their own car instead of rebadgeing the ones from Europe?
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Now hang on - the Astra and Vectra, etc., aren't directly rebadged, like those cars Holden are sending to Malaysia to be rebadged as Chevs, but they are similar to the European ones.
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
There you go then - I've got your meaning now that you've explained it in better terms. :D
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Good.

You are going to need to change you avatar in the next few weeks btw, cos the All Blacks are going to kick your arse, ya know, like the Canterbury Crusaders did to the NSW Waratahs in the 2002 Super 12. Theres going to be a repeat of that ;)
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Good.

You are going to need to change you avatar in the next few weeks btw, cos the All Blacks are going to kick your arse, ya know, like the Canterbury Crusaders did to the NSW Waratahs in the 2002 Super 12. Theres going to be a repeat of that ;)
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You mean like the Bulldogs put the Warriors or one of them p00fy NZ teams out of the league in this year's NRL? :P

Make note, young'un - Australia is going to do to NZ what they did to Namibia yesterday if they meet in the finals.

You know - I WAS trying to not say that in case NZ did beat Australia, so I wouldn't look like a clown if you boys won, but now look what you did. ;)
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
Ahhh ****ing hell

If I can recall correctly, Ford Australia have not made their own V8 engine. Ever. And have had to rely on the yanks for them.
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So what exactly did I say wrong?
What Holden are doing with the LS1 is the same as what Ford have been doing for decades (except Holden dont assemle them in Oz), getting their V8s from the American branch of the same company(in Fords case, Ford America, Holdens, Chev).
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nope, Holden buy complete engines from the US and import them. Then they retune them here.
Ford, otoh buy parts from several different sources, import them here, modify them and then assemble an engine to their own specifications.
It's a fairly massive difference.
Ford OZ have an engine that's different to all other Ford engines, which is only used over here.
Holden picked up an engine from the parts bin.

To clarify, ford OZ build a v8.
Like I said before, why would Holden design and build a V8 when there is at least two from the US which are probably superior to what they could turn out at the moment?
Are you gunna start saying **** that Holden should replace the Astra, Vectra etc. with their own car instead of rebadgeing the ones from Europe?
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FWIW holden's working on a medium car that will prolly replace the vectra in its local lineup :D
 
What I was pointing out to Sandstorm when he said he doesnt like Holden relying on Chev for engines, I said that Ford Australia do exactly the same, and they are. If it wasnt for Ford America, there would be no V8 Falcon. True, the DOHC and SOHC used in the V8 Falcons are the only ones in the Ford empire (I think) as they have put the 4.6 Mustang heads onto the 5.4 Explorer, or some other trucks block, but it is still not their own engine. They did not make/design it, only modified it to what it is now.
 
To get back on topic...

As far as i know, Project Blueprint came into effect this year. Why then was Marcos keeping up with the front runners last year?

Parity is good because it makes the racing less boring to watch. It's the same in every single motor sport type in the world.
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
What I was pointing out to Sandstorm when he said he doesnt like Holden relying on Chev for engines, I said that Ford Australia do exactly the same, and they are. If it wasnt for Ford America, there would be no V8 Falcon. True, the DOHC and SOHC used in the V8 Falcons are the only ones in the Ford empire (I think) as they have put the 4.6 Mustang heads onto the 5.4 Explorer, or some other trucks block, but it is still not their own engine. They did not make/design it, only modified it to what it is now.
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FORD America! :irked:

Australian Holden car > American Chevrolet engine.
Australian Ford car > American Ford engine.

Ford are still using their own engines, even if they do come from America. Holden use Chev engines.
 
Originally posted by Mustang-man
To get back on topic...

As far as i know, Project Blueprint came into effect this year. Why then was Marcos keeping up with the front runners last year?
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Keeping up - HOW many rounds did he win again?
 
Sandstorm, you do know that Holden's PARENT company is GM, and they source their engines (well, their big ones) from Chevrolet right? It's the same deal with Ford. FORD AUSTRALIA get their engines from their parent, which is FORD AMERICA.

Perhaps the thread should be called "Ambrose blazes while Skaife's shocking luck continues".
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You obviously haven't seen what's happened to Murphy this year?

Believe it or not I am a Holden fan...but ignorance like this sucks.
 
For ****s sake stop *****ing!

If HRT is soooooooo awesome (your words not mine) then why aren't they 0wning Ford with all these 'restrictions' put in place?

You copied my avatar.
 
Originally posted by Bollocks#999
Fine perfomance yesterday though, only running on 7 cyl. and still managed to pull away from 5th place
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Fine performance? He only got 4th because of a) the safety car holding up the field for ten laps and b) Ingall slowing the field until he reached the line. :D

Oh, and it was only Seton behind Ambrose. Pulling away from Seton isn't hard. :D

Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Sandstorm, you do know that Holden's PARENT company is GM, and they source their engines (well, their big ones) from Chevrolet right? It's the same deal with Ford. FORD AUSTRALIA get their engines from their parent, which is FORD AMERICA.
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Here comes DtV for a bite at the apple. :rolleyes:

Are you even looking at what you're writing? GM is a different company from holden, correct? They may OWN Holden but they AREN'T Holden. Yes?

Ford America own Ford Australia, but think about it - they're both FORD, aren't they?

You may see Holden as BEING GM seeing as GM owns them, but they are separate companies.

You obviously haven't seen what's happened to Murphy this year?

Believe it or not I am a Holden fan...but ignorance like this sucks.
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I've seen what's happened to Murph this year. I know his year hasn't been completely paradise, besides Bathurst. I know that he also, as an ex-TWR team, was affected by TWR's collapse.

I'm not ignorant, I'm just not a huge Murph fan.

Originally posted by Cobraboy
For ****s sake stop *****ing!

If HRT is soooooooo awesome (your words not mine) then why aren't they 0wning Ford with all these 'restrictions' put in place?

You copied my avatar.
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A) HRT has had bad luck.
B) TWR collapsed, and so, Holden haven't been testing, but having to help clean up the resulting mess. :irked:

You stole the signature I was GOING to have. Ah bugger it, I'll have it anyway. Thanks. :D
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
A) HRT has had bad luck.
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quit complaining about hrt lack of luck. everyone at one point in time has bad luck, some more than often. HRT isnt one of them. since 1998 they have been having all BUT bad luck, they have been on cloud line.

but many people have bad luck

seton at bathurst
rubens at ferrari
tagliani in champcars, still hasnt got that first win


but is there such thing as luck? is luck used as an excuse for a bad performance?

think about it it certainly has confused me
 
Originally posted by millencolin
quit complaining about hrt lack of luck. everyone at one point in time has bad luck, some more than often. HRT isnt one of them. since 1998 they have been having all BUT bad luck, they have been on cloud line.

but many people have bad luck

seton at bathurst
rubens at ferrari
tagliani in champcars, still hasnt got that first win


but is there such thing as luck? is luck used as an excuse for a bad performance?

think about it it certainly has confused me
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I'm not complaining - just mentioning it in passing.

I usually don't believe in luck - usually. I'm not complaining about HRT's bad luck, or fate, or whatever, all I'm trying to say is that Ambrose WOULDN'T have won so much if KRT and HRT were on song.
 
OK Jon, here it is cleancut and simple. I'm sure a Kindergartener could understand:

GM own:
-Holden
-Chevy
-Many other car companies

FORD AMERICA own:
-Ford Australia
-Jaguar
-Aston Martin
-And a few other companies

Just because the name is similar doesn't mean the company is exactly the same. Dip****.

And Ambrose would've won the last three years if he was on song...:rolleyes: I'm running into stupid logic today, left right and centre.
 
Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
OK Jon, here it is cleancut and simple. I'm sure a Kindergartener could understand:

GM own:
-Holden
-Chevy
-Many other car companies

FORD AMERICA own:
-Ford Australia
-Jaguar
-Aston Martin
-And a few other companies

Just because the name is similar doesn't mean the company is exactly the same. Dip****.

And Ambrose would've won the last three years if he was on song...:rolleyes: I'm running into stupid logic today, left right and centre.
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Right. Do I have to say it again?

GM, a DIFFERENT company from Holden, that bought Holden out years and years ago, provide engines to Holden from Chevrolet, yet another different car company.

Ford America provide Ford Australia with their engines. Ford was started in America, correct? And they branched out to Australia years ago, correct? They BRANCHED OUT to Australia. Ford America didn't BUY OUT Ford Australia, as GM bought out Holden. They BRANCHED OUT to Australia.

So who looks like a clown now, eh? Dip**** yourself. :rolleyes:

Seems to me that I'm being hit with stupid logic left, right and center today.
 

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