All life as a 5th dimension single entity - what do you think?

[Zenith]

Here's something pretty relevant to this discussion.

We can't experiment on this, not even close. It's not worth the time discussing it.

 

[F1jocker12]

We know more than you pretend.

Have you heard about Dunning - Kruger effect?
and yes.. this...
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/620163-the-more-i-learn-the-more-i-realize-how-much

It'd be a degree of freedom in time BY DEFINITION.

That will be something that can be measured inside D4. Life intersecting time will be energy without a form (D1, D2 and D3) moving inside D4.

The most interesting point here was about slowing down time in the event of acceleration, with D1, D2, D3 and D5 not affected.

Without some sort of data that requires that as an explanation, let's just stick to the explanations that fit the actual data

Sir Isaac Newton did exactly the opposite... with the apple.. He ignored the conclusions based on the existing available data, at that time...

@Zenith

We can't experiment on this, not even close. It's not worth the time discussing it.

I am grateful for all our predecessors who've done differently...

 

[Danoff]

Have you heard about Dunning - Kruger effect?
and yes.. this...
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/620163-the-more-i-learn-the-more-i-realize-how-much

Yes. Have you?

That will be something that can be measured inside D4. Life intersecting time will be energy without a form (D1, D2 and D3) moving inside D4.

That's really not how this works. You don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others. That'd be like saying that you only exist in the "up/down" direction and not any other direction.

The most interesting point here was about slowing down time in the event of acceleration, with D1, D2, D3 and D5 not affected.

Do you think that you can accelerate without changing your position in space? Or do you think somehow that "slowing down time" in this case is actually affecting time itself. Either would be wrong, just trying to figure out which one you're thinking.

Sir Isaac Newton did exactly the opposite... with the apple.. He ignored the conclusions based on the existing available data, at that time...

Ignored "conclusions".... that's the word that makes the first sentence wrong.

 

[Dotini]

How would a fifth dimensional object appear in a fourth dimensional world?

It would appear as a universal consciousness, in which past, present and future are as alike as three drops of water.

 

[F1jocker12]

That's really not how this works. You don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others.

Oh yes you can... The main example shows you how... basic example... a dot on a line in D1...

Do you think that you can accelerate without changing your position in space?

Space is D1, D2 and D3 combined.... hight, width and depth... D5 will be life (all these not affected)... you accelerate yourself and alter time... but only when a gravitational force is present - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

It would appear as a universal consciousness, in which past, present and future are as alike as three drops of water.

I have this

Life intersecting time will be energy without a form (D1, D2 and D3) moving inside D4.

Question is... are we ready to believe in ghosts?

 

[Dotini]

Question is... are we ready to believe in ghosts?

No. But we're just loopy enough to believe in higher dimensions.

 

[Danoff]

It would appear as a universal consciousness, in which past, present and future are as alike as three drops of water.

We're 5+ dimensional beings, so no.

Oh yes you can... The main example shows you how... basic example... a dot on a line in D1...

...that would be something existing in the first dimension wouldn't it?

Space is D1, D2 and D3 combined.... hight, width and depth... D5 will be life (all these not affected)...

Not affected by what? And why does the 5th dimension suddenly just become all life? Where does this notion come from? Especially given that we know what the 5th dimension is (by definition) and it's not life.

you accelerate yourself and alter time...

Nope! You alter the way you travel through the 4th dimension, time itself is not altered.

but only when a gravitational force is present - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

Nope! You can do it just by accelerating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

 

[F1jocker12]

Not affected by what? And why does the 5th dimension suddenly just become all life? Where does this notion come from? Especially given that we know what the 5th dimension is (by definition) and it's not life.

Check out the main post... The threads title is Dr's Michael Blaber theory - all life as a 5th dimension.
Not affected by the acceleration, which takes place inside a 3D space plus D5 - life. Only time is affected by the acceleration... nothing else. Not even the lifes form.

...that would be something existing in the first dimension wouldn't it?

You said

That's really not how this works. You don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others. That'd be like saying that you only exist in the "up/down" direction and not any other direction.

and my answer was that is possible in D1 as a simple dot, and I will add, in D2 (2 dimensional completely flat world) any geometrical 2D shape. You can independently consider any form in any of these dimensions, or a projection in their common connecting zone.

Nope! You can do it just by accelerating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

It says on the first line under your link

In the theory of relativity, time dilation is a difference of elapsed time between two events as measured by observers either moving relative to each other or differently situated from gravitational masses.

and

From a local perspective, time registered by clocks that are at rest with respect to the local frame of reference (and far from any gravitational mass) always appears to pass at the same rate.

That means around any space object that generates gravitational forces... not when you are simply floating thru space.

Nope! You alter the way you travel through the 4th dimension, time itself is not altered.

You only travel in one direction thru D4-time. Altering time this way is the reason why, by reaching speed light you will age differently than a person moving slower.

Gravitational time dilation was first described by Albert Einstein in 1907 as a consequence of special relativity in accelerated frames of reference.

 

[Danoff]

Check out the main post... The threads title is Dr's Michael Blaber theory - all life as a 5th dimension.
Not affected by the acceleration, which takes place inside a 3D space plus D5 - life. Only time is affected by the acceleration... nothing else. Not even the lifes form.

Actually, time is not affect by acceleration. Your passage through time is affected, as is your passage through space, and every other dimension.

You said

and my answer was that is possible in D1 as a simple dot, and I will add, in D2 (2 dimensional completely flat world) any geometrical 2D shape. You can independently consider any form in any of these dimensions, or a projection in their common connecting zone.

Something that exists only as a dot in 1 dimension also exists in all others as a dot. As I said before, you don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others

It says on the first line under your link
and
That means around any space object that generates gravitational forces... not when you are simply floating thru space.

You're not understanding what you're reading. Here's all you need to know that you were wrong and apologize:

The faster the relative velocity, the greater the magnitude of time dilation.

You only travel in one direction thru D4-time. Altering time this way is the reason why, by reaching speed light you will age differently than a person moving slower.

You can't alter time. You age differently at different speeds because you change your passage through it, not because you change it.

 

[Exorcet]

It says on the first line under your link
[...]
and
[...]
That means around any space object that generates gravitational forces... not when you are simply floating thru space.

The first part has an "or" in it. Acceleration or gravity. The second quote says clocks not moving relative to each other tick at the same rate.

 

[F1jocker12]

The first part has an "or" in it. Acceleration or gravity. The second quote says clocks not moving relative to each other tick at the same rate.

That link introduces the notion of reference points, which is super important, and the second line shows how moving without gravitational reference point, doesn't change anything...

Actually, time is not affect by acceleration. Your passage through time is affected, as is your passage through space, and every other dimension.

This is the reason I mentioned how great this concept is...

The most interesting point here was about slowing down time in the event of acceleration, with D1, D2, D3 and D5 not affected.

It's affecting life forms age because of a different perception of time (it is like creating a short cut inside the linear D4 movement... bending its linearity), when a life form is affected by a gravitational field in comparison to a life form outside of any gravitational fields...

Something that exists only as a dot in 1 dimension also exists in all others as a dot. As I said before, you don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others

Because you are considering the initial form in D1... If you go with D2 representation of a form, in D1 will be only a line, which is still only true for D1 and no other dimension. It is only the contact patch...

apologize

??????? I hope my words are not insulting you... If so, what should I need to apologise for?

You can't alter time. You age differently at different speeds because you change your passage through it, not because you change it.

I admit how this is a sneaky one... If you divide time into specific units - to create reference points - we will observe how, at a higher speed, our second will be longer than slower speed moving people's second. Anyway, I will accept how our way to measure time is conditioned by living on Earth, because after entering space, the time-day 24 hour cycle will be totally irrelevant.

 

[Danoff]

Because you are considering the initial form in D1... If you go with D2 representation of a form, in D1 will be only a line, which is still only true for D1 and no other dimension. It is only the contact patch...

Still exists... even if it's just a contact patch. We exist in three dimensions as objects. In the 4th dimension, we are a line. In the 5th dimension, we are a point. In all dimensions above the 5th we are a point.

But here's the thing.... you don't get to just pick a dimension and not exist in the others.

??????? I hope my words are not insulting you... If so, what should I need to apologise for?

Apologies are not limited to offending someone. You can apologize for being wrong, it's fairly customary.

I admit how this is a sneaky one... If you divide time into specific units - to create reference points - we will observe how, at a higher speed, our second will be longer than slower speed moving people's second. Anyway, I will accept how our way to measure time is conditioned by living on Earth, because after entering space, the time-day 24 hour cycle will be totally irrelevant.

It might seem sneaky, but it's actually an important distinction when it comes to understanding what dimensions are and how they work. When you accelerate your position there is a corresponding acceleration in time. That doesn't mean that position or time as a dimension is fundamentally altered, it's just that your travel through it has changed. That's a key point.