Am I being a jerk?

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So in the 650 event, there is often only one to 3 other racers there. Most of the time its just me and one other person. And they usually aren't setting lap records. So, to pass the time, I will usually just follow them for awhile, pass them, get out ahead a bit, then wait. Once they pass me again, I go and chase some more. I try not to pass them more then twice.

The reason I ask, is that the people I am "racing" are usually fine the first time I pass. But, then, on the second time, turn into punters. There was a guy in a vette last night that was a real a$$.

So, what say GTPlanet? Am I being a jerk (without intentionally meaning to), or is it no big deal?

Either way, I will probably stop. Maybe I will just go for lap times (Which gets old). I can only imagine how boring it is for them, too, when that happens.
 
I have ran into the same thing a few times. Thats why I havent raced online in a week or so. Seems most of the time its you and 1 other person,then you get 20 sec ahead slow wait let them pass and catch pass etc.

Oh no I dont think thats being a jerk,just trying to make a race outta it.
 
i think if your quicker just go for it and hope that you don't make any mistakes.
I would rather be second than know a guy was just toying with me
that said i would never punt a guy who is just making the race seem more interesting.
I raced a guy a few week's ago and he was quicker and let me go,did what you said but at the end of the race i would have won but i let him pass because he was the quickest.
 
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No you are not being a jerk, just trying to make a race out of it.

However you are not looking at how it seems to the people you are racing against, they probably think you are just teasing them, letting them passed just to overtake them again will seem like you are showing off, that will probably anger most drivers who don't realise why you are doing it.

I know I would rather lose by a long way, than win just because somebody let me. Having said that the people who hit you will have more than likely hit you anyway, regardless of what you did.

By the way if someone has to ask if they are being a jerk, that shows some consideration, a jerk would never ever do that, they just hit,punt and cheat without any thought about others. So again you are NOT a jerk.
 
I have done this once on one of the very few races i've played online. I was in an Rx7 and he was in the Bmw Tti. I was able really get around him easily, so i waited up for him. after the 2nd time it was bumper fest. but i didn't come close or contact him. i guess he thought i was "taunting" him. :dunce:
 
Hmm i don't know.. Has pros en cons..
But I just acknowledge I'm not the best driver, I just don't have the time to race on GT5 that much. So I just CAN't be as good as a lot other ones. I'd prefer them to stay close.. otherwise it's really not fun... It's even more frustrating seeing your time distance becoming bigger and bigger
 
No, you're not being a jerk. You act out of your good hart (you're racing online so the other person doesn't know your true intentions) and try to make the race as interested as possible for both parties but I have to agree with these remarks:

BMfan
i think if your quicker just go for it and hope that you don't make any mistakes.
I would rather be second than know a guy was just toying with me
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RyanGee
You're basically telling them they're really bad at the game by doing that.
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JamboGT
To be honst i have done the same and on reflection I think it appears that i am being patronising.
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ASH32
No you are not being a jerk, just trying to make a race out of it.

However you are not looking at how it seems to the people you are racing against, they probably think you are just teasing them, letting them passed just to overtake them again will seem like you are showing off, that will probably anger most drivers who don't realise why you are doing it.
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ASH32
By the way if someone has to ask if they are being a jerk, that shows some consideration, a jerk would never ever do that
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Some people get frustrated very quickly and turn into punters. Like said, some people could concider your action as being patronising and act upon that in a negative way. If you're faster, stay in the lead but not too far. Give the other person the chance to catch you without it showing it too much.

You can always leave to game before you start to race if you encounter these situations again and avoid awkward situations.



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If i get a 15+ second lead I will wait, or start taking "long cuts"(pits, etc) it usually gets an ok response. Sometimes the other racer will end up taking me out (intenionally or otherwise).

It can come off as a bit patronizing.
 
My rule of thumb is if I'm gaining more than 3secs a lap on the other car I'll wait at the exit of the hairpin for them to come around and give them that time back before I chase. Even if it is "being a jerk" it is better than taking a 20sec+ lead on the other car in 2 laps only to have them disconnect the race.
 
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it is better than taking a 20sec+ lead on the other car in 2 laps only to have them disconnect the race.
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Yeah, that is what I am trying to avoid. I think the thought of just staying out in the lead, and letting them chase/improve is a good option, too. Be the rabbit to the greyhound sort of deal. Its that, or picking a less capable car, and hoping a good Clio driver doesn't show up. I still want a chance at winning! LOL.
 
SpyHunter
Yeah, that is what I am trying to avoid. I think the thought of just staying out in the lead, and letting them chase/improve is a good option, too. Be the rabbit to the greyhound sort of deal. Its that, or picking a less capable car, and hoping a good Clio driver doesn't show up. I still want a chance at winning! LOL.
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I've only been driving the NSX up until yesterday when the stars aligned and I finally found the time to race on PAL servers during peak time for fast drivers. 2'17s in a NSX don't cut it there, while on the NTSC side that will mean you are gaining around 3 secs a lap generally. I switched to the clio and dropped a few seconds but that was only for the hot and heavy PAL races.

Often I find myself running a NSX with S2 or S1 tires around the pp550 RWD event just to make it interesting for myself. For the pp650 10 lap one I'll jump in the f430 and go about my way.

(I'm not slamming anyone's ability here, I'm far from the fastest driver out there, but the competition on the NTSC side and PAL late at night for Europe generally is slim to none most of the time.)
 
I was in the 650pp event the other day with only one other guy driving an EVO X. He was much slower than me and I messed up trying to pass him cleanly in one corner. Ended up in front of him anyway. Going into Spoon he was right on me. Well I intentionally braked late to make sure he wouldn't accidentally bump me. He actually tried to take me out. Luckily he missed and went straight off into the kitty litter. :D
 
Yes, you are being a jerk, because all you are doing is "showing off". I'd have more respect for you if you just raced off into the distance and lapped people, letting them race their own race. Be a man and and find races that are more at your level, rather than acting a jerk.
 
I don't think you are being a jerk at all. It all depends on the person you are racing, and how they take it (having chat would help, obviously). I couldn't finish a lap at Suz. to save my life when I changed to a wheel, and a couple of GTP members were racing against me. One dropped out, then the other turned around, came back for me (a long way), and led me through. I think it was GTP_Div in an audi R8, and I couldn't thank him enough (i did through this site). I suppose if someone is obviously struggling, it can't hurt to try and help / keep the race close. If he / she takes a shot at you, who cares, run your race, and let the other driver try to finish before the clock runs out. Not making the clock, to me is the worst case scenario, and without help from other drivers, I probabbly wouldn't have finished alot of races before the clock ran out until I got the hang of it. Your intentions are good, just not well received. You can't please everyone.
 
ASH32
However you are not looking at how it seems to the people you are racing against, they probably think you are just teasing them, letting them passed just to overtake them again will seem like you are showing off, that will probably anger most drivers who don't realise why you are doing it. you are NOT a jerk.
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This has happened to me as well , and at the end of the race I ended up getting some " not so clean pm's " , I just find it better to go out and run the race,if you smoke them,you smoke them,no big deal. I have gotten " good pm's " by doing this, people telling me , " man you are fast-good job ". So in my opinion , just go out and race.
 
SpyHunter
I think the thought of just staying out in the lead, and letting them chase/improve is a good option, too. Be the rabbit to the greyhound sort of deal. Its that, or picking a less capable car, and hoping a good Clio driver doesn't show up. I still want a chance at winning! LOL.
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You already give the two most likely solutions here. Most of the times the drivers that you face in such a situation are either guys that drive for the credits (and will drive into you) or guys that are willing to learn from you. In those situations I always chose to let them chase, or to point out the correct lines if they're significantly slower. If they're not interested, I either take off into the distance or park the car off the track.

If they drivers are fair but not fast, just pick a slower car for the next race. You can always go back if a faster driver appears. You're by no means a jerk in any case ;)
 
To me when i am race against you, you are always ahead it actually makes it more enjoyable when you slow down because like you said most of the time its just yourself and one other person and whenever there is more they are most likely drifters. It takes an extreme amount of punting and other things that just are annoying to get me pissed off so. Could just be me but doesnt seem like it according to the other posts.
 
Nomino
Yes, you are being a jerk, because all you are doing is "showing off". I'd have more respect for you if you just raced off into the distance and lapped people, letting them race their own race. Be a man and and find races that are more at your level, rather than acting a jerk.
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I would LOVE to "find races that are more at my level". Unfortunatly, it doesn't work that way. No one gets to pick and choose who they race. We can hope we get a good race in with forum members by entering at designated times, but that doesn't mean it will happen.


Contex! Good to see you on here. :sly:
 
Showboating basically taking the piss out of them plenty of times in a 4 player race i just play around with them because i know im faster but obviously if theres somebody fast enough i will try.
 
Think it depends on the person on how they take it...

I hosted a race (my first ever) a few days ago and was just me and a french guy... the french guy was loads faster than me so kept backing off giving me a bit of a lead then realing me in.

I didnt have a problem with it myself as it made it slightly more interesting than a hot lapping session for both of us.

He did slow right down at the finishing line to let me past in first place which I found a bit patronising but I just parked up so he had to take it....

So overall to sumerise I dont think it is unless you take the piss lol
 
I'm usually in the same boat as you. By the second lap I'm 10-15 secs ahead. So I get as far ahead as I can by lap 5, park it at the start/finish line, let them take the lead equal to the lead I had, and fight the rest of the race to win. I don't care if I'm being an ass, it stops me from being bored.
 
Same happens to me almost every time I race online. I usually wait for the slower drivers, but I completely understand why it would piss them off (I don't like when people wait for me, whenever I make a mistake and go off track -- so I actually have contradicting behaviors :)).

It's just a sad fact that NTSC Expert races are empty, and the odds of finding good competition is slim. Specially with 5 expert events, and NO world events. :grumpy:
 
I really wish there were conditions that could allow you quit, like if there are only 2 people in a race or if you're more than 20 seconds in front of somebody.

Last night I tried to race fuji 550 and by lap 2 I was 15 seconds ahead of the ONE OTHER RACER. So I then tried 10 lap suzuka, and by the hairpin I was FOURTEEN seconds in front of 2nd place. I found out, once I lapped them on lap 3, that the other FIVE people in the race were all drifting.
 
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Not being a jerk, I do the same thing sometimes. It is really hard to find good competition especially at the F2007 fuji event.
 
I don't think you're being a jerk.

If I get way ahead I'll usually jump into the pits and then let them get enough of a lead that it becomes a bit of a challenge for me to catch them again.

Or, if I'm following someone really slow I'll just sit behind and only pass if they make a mistake. I'm not talking pressuring them, just letting them run their race. If they can do 5 laps without spinning out I'll let them win. Good on them, they're developing some skills.

I really don't think it makes a difference if you roar off into the distance or play leapfrog with them. In both instances they'll realise who's the better driver, and I've had positve comments from slower drivers thanking me for giving them a race. Not any negative ones yet.

But the main problem of course is the lack of people now on line. With some time off in the new year I was able to try online at all different times and, apart from a couple of peak hours in the European evening, it is DEAD OUT THERE in PAL world.

So, while still doing the occasional drive to keep my hand in, I'm now contributing to the lack of people online problem too. :indiff:
Now battling my way through MGS4 for the second time. 👍
 
If giving the slower guys a chance at a good battle is being a jerk, then I'll be. Ramming a clearly faster driver when they slow down for you is being a jerk. Some might call what you're doing showing off, but I think finishing 30sec ahead without any regard to there being someone else on track is a little more, how you say, boastful?
 
Personally, I don't like it when people do this because it takes away any semblance competitiveness, your basically saying to them "you suck so bad I'm not even going to race you, I'm just going to drive around you for my amusement". So it's not a race any more; it's them driving as fast as they can, and you getting in their way.

When fast drivers get far ahead of me, I concentrate on trying to keep the splits from blowing out past 30 seconds(and hoping they crash:lol:), so it's still a race for me, even if it's not for 1st place.

The exception is if the other driver went into the sand on the first corner/lap or something, I'd wait for people then because you still might have a good race.

That's just me and how I feel, I wouldn't call you a jerk though :)
 
I have that sort of habit when there is only 2 drivers in the game.
I let the other driver take the lead and keep following him (psyching) ,
I newer pass the other driver unless he drives off the track.
When the other driver has gone off-road I hit the gas and try to lose him.
That's a lesson of how to handle the pressure and/or psyche out others.
 

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