Am i the only one with ABS off?

[Christhedude]

Hey everyone,

just did a few online races (PP750 Suzuka) and i did a few setup changes and out of the blue i decided to turn ABS fully off. (used to have it on 1)

Did 3 laps in free run with the GT Corvette and my fastest was a 2.01.386 with ABS off.

With ABS on i did a 2.01.988.

I haven't seen anyone yet to race without ABS off other then me.

Lets see if there are GTP_lers who race with ABS off.

Chris

 

[Beerz]

Hate to admit it, but I haven't even tried turning it off...

Will definitely try it now, see how I can modulate the brakes without locking them.
For online racing should be more realistic, seeing people driving on the edge and locking up. Whole new dimension of racing, I think. 👍

 

[thugbear2005]

1 step at a time. I just took off my blue racing line.

 

[Timppaq]

SUT-11 has told me that he drives without abs.. and he's fast also.. 👍

 

[Mr P]

SUT-11 has told me that he drives without abs.. and he's fast also.. 👍

Hey Timo .. I'm glad you mention that name as I tried messaging him earlier to thank him for the cool races I was missing the - in his username and the PSN never noticed his name. For a driver I never raced until today he was a gent and drove with no nasty intentions and even waited when I was shunted off by a numptie

Drivers who are unknown to me yet with his decency are few and far between

 

[JamboGT]

1 step at a time. I just took off my blue racing line.

I have never used that, may be my problem!

As regards the abs, I tried to use it but there just isn't enough feel in the pedal of the DFEX, I may try some mods to stiffent the spring in the brake.

 

[muddyweezer]

ABS 1 or 2 is useful on some cars.

 

[Juice476]

I have the G25 and when I have racing slick's on I turn abs off, But if I'm using normal or sports tyre's I leave it on 1.

The problem is with the game until it add's better support for the wheel's like being able to custimize deadzone's and pressure strength on the software side the pedals will always be off.

While using the G25 on lets say sport tyre's I'll turn off abs and set my bias F4 B2 wich is a problem because there isnt enough pressure to stop the car so I have to brake earlier then everyone else to get the car slowed down. Another problem is even with that low brake bias the tires will still lockup if I go passed half way on the pedal.

So long story short the game needs better compatability for wheel's, and they need to redo the brakes and tyre's, But thats just my opinion.

Another thing is does anyone notice a differance between 1 abs and 10 abs? once you have 1 its on and doesnt lock up so I dont get it.

 

[Timppaq]

Hey Timo .. I'm glad you mention that name as I tried messaging him earlier to thank him for the cool races I was missing the - in his username and the PSN never noticed his name. For a driver I never raced until today he was a gent and drove with no nasty intentions and even waited when I was shunted off by a numptie

Drivers who are unknown to me yet with his decency are few and far between

👍 ..we were messaging through PSN before the races in 750 and I asked him to join and posted the shedule we were running for him.. Always nice to see [FI] drivers out there!

 

[Motominded]

Abs off
Tcs at o
asm OFF
pROFESSIONAL PHYSICS
MANUAL

Yeah all out or i don't even play

 

[Ardius]

They need to force all competitors online in certain events to not use it before I'll stop using it, online, at least. It puts you at a huge disadvantage otherwise.

For anyone that hasn't tried yet, I encourage you to turn it off at least offline and have some fun, it adds even more fun to your driving.

ABS is meant to be faster than a driver at braking almost all of the time, so you're not at an advantage for not using it unlike TCS (though this depends on the car and skill of driver) or ASM (which, in my opinion, never makes you faster).

 

[Hyper-Dan]

ABS is the only aid I leave on.

 

[Type_R_]

ABS off goes in 750pp Corvette online,but try f430 in that GT-R race,much more difficult.Ferraris brakes loks very easy and it flips in no time.

 

[Christhedude]

well there are a few of you guys. One advice for all G25 users, (dont know about other wheels), to slow down as fast as with ABS on, just apply the brake 25%! Now dont come and ask and say "thats pretty unrealistic etc..." as i know that myself.

One more thing that makes racing with ABS OFF harder is that the grip level of the track will always stay the same. In real life more and more rubber is put on the track resulting in more grip.
Thats why your brakes will always lock up in GT5 cause there is not much grip and always stays the same.


MESSAGE TO PD Implement some sort of staggering grip level!

Chris

 

[Shaun]

well there are a few of you guys. One advice for all G25 users, (dont know about other wheels), to slow down as fast as with ABS on, just apply the brake 25%! Now dont come and ask and say "thats pretty unrealistic etc..." as i know that myself.

One more thing that makes racing with ABS OFF harder is that the grip level of the track will always stay the same. In real life more and more rubber is put on the track resulting in more grip.
Thats why your brakes will always lock up in GT5 cause there is not much grip and always stays the same.


MESSAGE TO PD Implement some sort of staggering grip level!

Chris

That's interesting mate to be honest i've always left ABS on 1 an all other aids off. I'll give this a go later and see how I go thanks for the tip. 👍

 

[Noah]

I'll give this a try.

 

[Lion-Face]

F40, No TCS, No, ABS, No Nothing! I'm getting later and later on the brakes now and finally getting some decent times in my driving round suzuka. The best place to learn the No-ABS, turning while braking, using the brake pedal range.

Think of it just like the accelerator, your not either fully on or fully off the accel when your driving without TCS through corners, the smoother you are with it, the faster you are. Same applies for No ABS, you have to regulate the brake depending on where, when and what your braking for. You can go faster with No-ABS, its just harder to, and you need to learn the car fully, you cant chop and change cars all the time. Hence why i've stuck with my F40. Going to the F430 the odd occasion for the international event throws my driving way out! But still drive with No-ABS regardless. Online or offline, just makes it more interesting, and that much more satisfying, beating people in an F40 with no help from the computer, although rarely come 1st, i enjoy each and every race immensly.

 

[Christhedude]

Think of it just like the accelerator, your not either fully on or fully off the accel when your driving without TCS through corners, the smoother you are with it, the faster you are. Same applies for No ABS, you have to regulate the brake depending on where, when and what your braking for. You can go faster with No-ABS, its just harder to, and you need to learn the car fully, you cant chop and change cars all the time. Hence why i've stuck with my F40. Going to the F430 the odd occasion for the international event throws my driving way out! But still drive with No-ABS regardless. Online or offline, just makes it more interesting, and that much more satisfying, beating people in an F40 with no help from the computer, although rarely come 1st, i enjoy each and every race immensly.

thats true, like i said, very gently apply the brakes! same as traction control, easy on the pedal (of course depending on the car)

The guys in a race behind must be wondering why sometimes so much smoke is coming up from me even do i'm in a straight line haha.

So, hope to see fewer guys entering turns with locked up wheels now.

Chris

 

[Rocket Punch]

No aids since demo.

However, playing like that would be far from realistic for some cars, as some cars with undefeatable TC and ABS; But it is definitely more fun, IMO.

 

[wnffe]

I'm sure it is not just me that feels this in the game (especially for those who use wheels)...But, does anyone notice turning ABS off makes the car more stable even when you are not under braking? The car seems to turn better and settle nicely even after harsh left/ right corner.

I don't really know what is the reason behind this. I might be wrong but I somehow feel that when turning the ABS on (even on 1) in the game, it iterferes cornering even when I am not under braking..I can feel this a lot with rwd cars during fast and winding corners. Ironically, when turning it off I can take those corners much more smoothly and swiftly..

I'm not a big fan of driving without ABS but I definately go faster without it. I wonder if ABS does affect cornering ability even when braking is not used...

 

[Kryz11]

Hey everyone,

just did a few online races (PP750 Suzuka) and i did a few setup changes and out of the blue i decided to turn ABS fully off. (used to have it on 1)

Did 3 laps in free run with the GT Corvette and my fastest was a 2.01.386 with ABS off.

With ABS on i did a 2.01.988.

I haven't seen anyone yet to race without ABS off other then me.

Lets see if there are GTP_lers who race with ABS off.

Chris

I turn it off whenever I Tune my cars PP. If the car is GT TUNE I have it off. I find better to have on demand braking, sure ABS 1 is great, but I love little freedom to brake it just before lock up.

 

[patriotzero]

ABS 1 is mine coz tyres lock.I'm using sixaxis. TCS 0 ASM 0

 

[HaylRayzor]

I found some time ago that I am almost always faster with ABS off if I set my brake bias correctly.

The exception is Daytona road, cause I just can't master turn 1 with ABS off.

 

[BobElHat]

I drive online with ABS off. I only recently started running without ABS and while I'm not entirely convinced it's faster it's more fun and you seem to be able to control the yaw of the car on corner entry better.

With ABS on it's all about timing. I find it quickest to always just nail the pedal, even mid-corner - in the Fuji Evora challenge I found just stamping on the brake half-way round 100R is just as quick as gentle modulation of brake and throttle. It must be doing brake force distribution or stability control as well as ABS, or a trick like that would send you spinning.

 

[AsteroidSHDTV]

Let's get something straight: your car is not faster with ABS off. If you think it is you're either experiencing placebo, or you aren't pushing the car near its limits.

I'm not a big fan of driving without ABS but I definately go faster without it. I wonder if ABS does affect cornering ability even when braking is not used...

If you go faster without, then your line/speed/throttle position/etc. into the corner is improper; you'll benefit more from turning ABS back on and correcting your line. ABS does not affect cornering when the brakes are not applied, let's not get silly.

I'm sure Polyphony will disable ABS in future TTs/Online races in order to increase the difficulty, but from what I've seen online it won't be anytime soon.

 

[HaylRayzor]

Let's get something straight: your car is not faster with ABS off. If you think it is you're either experiencing placebo, or you aren't pushing the car near its limits.

You get something straight: In the game your stopping distance is noticeably shorter without ABS if you have your brake bias set properly.

 

[Kryz11]

You get something straight: In the game your stopping distance is noticeably shorter without ABS if you have your brake bias set properly.

👍

 

[AsteroidSHDTV]

You get something straight: In the game your stopping distance is noticeably shorter without ABS if you have your brake bias set properly.

In a straight line, yes, you can stop quicker without ABS. But that's not what I said.

your car is not faster with ABS off

Your car will be faster *over the course of a lap* with ABS on if you have your brake bias set properly (or probably even if its not).
ABS-off gives you a shorter total braking time, but ABS allows you to brake later and further into a corner - which is more important.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

In a straight line, yes, you can stop quicker without ABS. But that's not what I said.


Your car will be faster *over the course of a lap* with ABS on if you have your brake bias set properly (or probably even if its not).
ABS-off gives you a shorter total braking time, but ABS allows you to brake later and further into a corner - which is more important.

If done correctly - and those who don´t use ABS usually do that - you can brake later and just as deep in to a corner as with ABS on, so ABS off usually is faster over one lap. Sure, you have to alter your driving style a bit to get spot on, but once you get the hang of it, you will always be faster without any of the aids provided in GT5. IRL it´s a different story.

 

[wnffe]

Let's get something straight: your car is not faster with ABS off. If you think it is you're either experiencing placebo, or you aren't pushing the car near its limits.

Let's get something sideways shall we.. Relax dude, I was mentioning about the game..Of course it doesn't happen in real life. Just wondering whether there's any flaw so that PD could improve in it that's all..

By the way, I do drive at the limit all the time in the game.. and I must admit, I only get better time without ABS after I installed the brake mod on the G25 pedal. Trail braking without ABS is a little bit tricky in GT5P (probably because brake saturation does not mapped 1:1 to the pedal output) but it can be done. And for it to be done properly, I found that brake balance need to be adjust accordingly depending on the choice of tyres.

On the other hand...I like what you said..'placebo'..Perhaps I should change my middle name to that..lol..