America - The Official Thread
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It's crazy how everything in the US has becoming so politicized. I notice that the Fox/Maga crew hate Aaron Rodgers ... because he's an intelligent, articulate, independent-minded football player & therefore (presumably) suspect of Un-Americanism. Of course, the Packers are also the most communist professional sports team in America, so there's that too.
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Of course the comments on the Fox website are mostly about how they've stopped watching the NFL altogether since it's become disgustingly "woke" & unpatriotic.
Bizarre game between the Packers & Bengals today in which the first team to not MISS a FG finally eked out a win in OT.
Bizarre game between the Packers & Bengals today in which the first team to not MISS a FG finally eked out a win in OT.
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Am I allowed to hate Aaron Rodgers and the Packers without knowing their political positions? Honestly, the only thing outside of football that I know about Rodgers is that he shills for an insurance company and wants to be a game show host. I also think he's married to that girl that was in the movie about cancer. On the field though, Rodgers cries so much he should be a soccer player. The dude screams for a flag if someone breathes on him too hard. He also chokes when the pressure gets to be too great which makes him very much not an elite QB.
I'll be so happy when he retires and the Packers are irrelevant again so the NFL quits trying to fix games in their favor because Jordan Love isn't going to lead the cheese brains to the promised land.
I'll be so happy when he retires and the Packers are irrelevant again so the NFL quits trying to fix games in their favor because Jordan Love isn't going to lead the cheese brains to the promised land.
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It's that time of year again. The leaves are turning. Daylight is getting shorter. Cooler weather is moving in. And Alabama idiots are using guns to settle arguments over which college football team is better.
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Argument over Alabama vs. Texas A&M game leads to deadly shooting at Bessemer home
The game was in its final minutes Saturday night when Bessemer police say two men got into a dispute at a gathering in the 1000 block of Sixth Avenue North. Lt. Christian Clemons said the dispute centered around which team was better.
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Can't wait to see the fat L Abbott takes on this from the courts, to add to his collection of political pandering idiocy.
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott bans COVID-19 vaccine mandates by any entity
The executive order goes further than Abbott's previous ban, which prohibited vaccine mandates by state entities.
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I wonder if this will stop the Southwest Airlines mandate? I am pretty sure they are based in Dallas.Can't wait to see the fat L Abbott takes on this from the courts, to add to his collection of political pandering idiocy.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott bans COVID-19 vaccine mandates by any entity
The executive order goes further than Abbott's previous ban, which prohibited vaccine mandates by state entities.
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Doesn't regardless of Gov. Hotwheels' pandering.
Nearly all major airlines mandate COVID vaccine for employees
One union is warning that it could have repercussions for the holiday season.
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Republicans: "We're against government overreach!"Can't wait to see the fat L Abbott takes on this from the courts, to add to his collection of political pandering idiocy.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott bans COVID-19 vaccine mandates by any entity
The executive order goes further than Abbott's previous ban, which prohibited vaccine mandates by state entities.
Also Republicans: "We're gonna reach riiiight into people's private businesses and tell them what they can/can't do."
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I've attempted to explain this to several friends lately, oddly enough all of them airline pilots. Some are up in arms about the "government contractor" mandates. I mean, I'm sorry that your private company chose to accept Essential Air Service flights making them government contractors but...you're not entitled to that job, union or no union. You'd think with all that training, accomplishment, and the pilot mindset that they'd be a little more clever but I guess not.
Since airlines operate as federal contractors, not state ones, that means Abbott has no authority over the matter.
The hilarious thing about pilots bitching about this vaccine mandate is that every single one of us has basically submitted ourselves to FAA control. We cannot challenge the FAA in any manner. What they say goes. The FAA giveth (my medical certificate, for example) and the FAA taketh away (they gave it back after 1.5 years of unemployment from aviation). Our entire livelihood depends on the FAA allowing us to do what we do. More than the baseline moral aspect of a "job", being pilots is a privilege that has been given to us. That said, there is actually a fair bit of freedom within the rules because pilots are hard to make so it's not like they're kicking us out for minor violations that happen regularly, but the bottom line is that we've been allowed to do this by the FAA. We earned the privilege of them handing us these responsibilities, and our entire career revolves around following rules to the letter, as best we can given the circumstances.
So the fact that so many pilots suddenly don't want to follow rules is actually pretty glaring to me. I don't understand it. The vast majority of these rules are based on common sense and real-life events, just like the Covid vaccine. People die, make a rule. People die a different way, make another rule. That's how the FAA works. People died from Covid, guess what.
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In Washington State, workers such as those in law enforcement, airlines and ferry workers have negotiated employment contracts. When those contracts are summarily abrogated by mandates from the governor, it's not surprising they choose not to work, or just plain quit. The pandemic has drawn a chasm between doing the right (expedient) thing and following longstanding and hard-won rights, laws and principles going back to the founding of the Republic.
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"No taxation without representation" I guess is where it started. If contracts legally negotiated between workers unions and state government are arbitrarily set aside, then I guess the unions have a right to be aggrieved, protest, legally contest, negotiate or ignore the governor's mandate. Personally, I think vaccination is a sound and sensible thing to do. I did it. But on the other hand, when large numbers of intelligent and organized workers in vital positions think they have a choice about what goes into their bodies, then I think a wise government should take that into consideration before mandating vaccine on pain of firing them from their contracted jobs.
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You think somehow that vaccine mandates mean that we do not have representatives in government? That's... well it's incoherent. The "no taxation without representation" push was to achieve a government of, by, and for the people, meaning with representatives rather than a monarchy. What in the world do you think this has to do with vaccine mandates?
You seem to have some misunderstanding of what a contract is. It does not govern any and all possible interactions or employment conditions. It does govern certain interactions or employment conditions, specifically those set out in the contract. Now I'll grant that if someone's employment contract states that they shall not be subject to testing or vaccine requirements, then their employer is in a tough spot, having agreed to something counter to what is now required by government. A good contract would actually spell out a predetermined agreement for what remedies occur in this case. For example, a contract can specify damages if a particular section of the contract is breached.
What you've effectively done (as far as I can tell) is say "but contracts" without any real understanding of whether that even addresses the issue at hand. For all you seem to know (and do feel free to prove me wrong if I'm off base), these negotiated employment contracts might even say that the employee may be subject to a vaccination requirement. More likely, they're silent on the matter*. Beyond that, employment contracts are not a one-size-fits-all situation. The existence of a single employment contract specifying that the employer will not require vaccination or testing (which I have not seen) does not imply that any other employment contracts specify this. Some may still specify the opposite.
So I re-iterate:
*Part of the reason for that being that nobody gave a rat's behind about vaccination until it became a political conspiracy.
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I think most unions would accept weekly testing in lieu of vaccination. But right now large numbers of ferry workers, law enforcement officers and pilots are either staying home or potentially quitting and going elsewhere, leaving the public without vital services. I see no conspiracy at work here, only a fair and reasonable concern over legally negotiated contracts, aggravated by an impetuous governor who does have a political concern.
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That's an interesting graph but it's rather misleading. All it does is to show that democrats tend to win in densely populated areas while republicans tend to win in rural areas. When it comes to who gets outvoted by who, it's not the population density that matters but the population count, i.e. density times area, i.e. the volume of the bar and not the height.Fun graphic. Population density by congressional district. That's why large swathes of red nothingness is frequently outvoted by blue urban areas.
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lol no
Also, "guy on phone who says he talked to an airline customer service representative" isn't the strongest of sources, but then facts are of no consequence when you have a narrative to push. Even SWAPA, the labor group representing SW pilots in opposition to mandates, says pilot walkouts didn't cause disruptions.
