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This ^^^^BobK.
Every leader who ignores protocol and twists things to suit themselves IE: Makes the rules themselves so they can do what they want is a risk and when that risk leads to blood shed they should stand trial.
The Uk and the US have nuclear weapons and no one seems to care like they would if say Iraq had some in their arsenal.
In reality who has started more wars and fired more shots and has proven to be corrupt and dangerous than the UK and the US?
It's ok for Uk and US to have nukes? why? I trust The Cookie monster not to put weight on whilst holidaying at Mcvities more than I trust these two proven trouble makers.
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Danoff
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Well... our criminal justice system pays a lot of attention to how and why people were killed to assess the crime. It's not really just semantics. Negligence resulting in death can be a crime, but it's not murder.
Well no. If you want to charge Bush and Blair with war crimes, you'd need to demonstrate that they personally were negligent or show intent for the murder of innocents. You haven't (and I'm about 99.99% sure you can't) shown that.
I don't... how do you know that?
Good.
No, the buck stops with the person responsible, which is not always the person farthest up the chain.
Well you'd have more success pinning deaths from the war on them if the war was not justified. Since it was, you have to pin unintended or casualty deaths on something they did.
If leaders were held responsible for all wrong doings (not just their wrong doings, which is what you're actually advocating) countries would be unable to defend themselves.
That's because Iraq is a signatory on the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. In which they promise not to obtain a nuclear arsenal while the US is allowed to have one.
Germany.
The nuclear non-proliferation treaty
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WTF is going on in America at the moment? Seems hardly a day goes by without some new police shooting/someone shooting police...
http://news.sky.com/story/police-shoot-unarmed-man-with-his-hands-up-10507939
http://news.sky.com/story/police-shoot-unarmed-man-with-his-hands-up-10507939
Danoff
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The news media is in full report mode. You're getting everything happening in the country right now at the highest amplification. It's like the summer of shark attacks. If one were cynical one would think that the media is trying to fuel enough hatred that a riot will break out so that they can cover it, but they're not that organized. All they know is that this is massive ratings at the moment.
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At this point, we have no idea what all the facts are. It's reported that the original call is for an armed man threatening suicide and, as of yet, there is no video of the shooting. It's entirely possible the suicidal person reached for what might have appeared to be a weapon and the injured person was caught in the crossfire. Let's wait until the facts are in before we rush to judgment.
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Unlikely, but I guess its possible, that the therapist was not the intended person that the officer was trying to shoot.
But that still doesn't sound like a proper response to a call that "someone is threatening to shoot themselves"
Why shoot a person who is sitting on the ground and who is threatening to shoot himself?
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There is video of the lead up and aftermath. The portion with the actual shooting hasn't been released yet. So far though, this looks 100% bad on the officers. I do not know what more the therapist could have done to try and avoid being shot.
And while America was arguing over whether or not a speech was plagiarized, this was going on.
U.S.-led airstrikes in Syria kill civilians, rights groups say
Reports are saying nearly a dozen children were killed on Tuesday.
And while America was arguing over whether or not a speech was plagiarized, this was going on.
U.S.-led airstrikes in Syria kill civilians, rights groups say
Reports are saying nearly a dozen children were killed on Tuesday.
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Trump vs. Hillary gets more clicks than stuff that actually matters.
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...over who would rack up more debt. That was another highlight.
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As I said earlier, we don't know what happened yet. The question, "why shoot a person sitting on the ground" presumes he was the intended target. You're assuming the suicidal person was only threatening to shoot himself. The call was for a man with a gun, threatening to kill himself. You show up and find two men right beside each other, and they are going to assume that one of them has a weapon. There are many possibilities one of which is an entirely reasonable possibility that the person who supposedly had a gun, raised their hand and pointed it towards the officers or the other person and the other person got hit in the crossfire. In other words, accidentally.
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BobK
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The same, of course, can be said for MSNBC.FOX News especially.
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No, not at all. FOX news is a haven for uneducated white trash who'll believe anything they're told. MSNBC panders to liberals but they don't make squit up like FOX News.
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Yeah they do...
Danoff
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FOX News especially.
It's ironic because the exact trend we're talking about would not be a popular story for the Fox narrative. It's the narrative for the liberal outlets like CNN or MSNBC.
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More like justin hasnevertakenahistorycourse
This is true I hated history as a school kid. I openly admit I did all I could to be excluded from the dire brain numbing lessons. But please remember the only history done when I was at school was the battle of Hastings, Christopher Columbus accidently crashing in to america and some garbage about henry the ninth and his 20 wives. Never was the middle east or anything political ever mentioned apart from jesus was born in Jerusalem that was it.
Just because I don't know must history it doesn't stop me asking questions and having opinions.
So this nuclear non-proliferation treaty which I have never heard of, Who decides who has nukes and who doesn't?
Please don't tell me the US and the UK and the rest of the so called billy big balls of the world or I will laugh my ass off.
What a statement that would be the countries in the treaty can have nukes and the ones not in there cannot, Why?
Because the ones who can have nukes were the ones who come up with the treaty and stamped it good to go. Oh Really well that makes a lot of sense doesn't it. No but that's the way it is.
So what happens if a country decides it wants nukes to defend itself the same as the countries who are allowed nukes?
who votes on it? Is North Korea one of these who has them but isn't on the list?
And at the end of the day unless some country invades another country then it is up to the invaded country to sort it out what the hecks it got to do with other countries to get involved. this is what I don't understand. Keep your noses out of other peoples business would be my say so if I ruled the world? All nukes should be scrapped and war should only be declared by a country if another country invades your land. If this was the case I am sure the world would be a more restful place.
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Is that comment really needed? The patient is Autistic and was holding a toy truck. That's all that needs to be said about his state of mind.
The cop hit 🤬 mode and shot his therapist. Local news even had some of his co-workers on confirming the situation.
And none of y'all will ever see the actual shooting, y'all should know that by now...
As scary acting as the officer was y'all should be glad he was there to save him. He'd probably be dead if he wasn't.
I know y'all think I'm stupid and a arse. But some of y'all really are sick people.
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Nope. At that range with rifles, they would have shot center mass. You could easily shoot someone in the head if you tried. Everything about this incident suggests it was an accidental discharge. Doesn't excuse it though. They could have killed that poor guy.
