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When I was 18, I got chatting to a woman who was playing a gig in a bar in Edinburgh - it turned out she was 38 and she was mortified when I told her I was 18, but nevertheless she invited me for a jam session at her place. It turned out she was in a relationship with a guy (ironically about the same age as I am now) and he was less than impressed, believing that it was all my idea - which was the polar opposite to the truth... when I turned up at their flat with my guitar, he made me feel about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. I must admit, I was completely naive and didn't even entertain the idea that there was anything but an 'artistic' connection there, but that guy's hostile behaviour made me realise that there was more to it than I had realised.
Aww, so 18-year-old Touring didn't get to jam it in her session.

:D

Edit: Boy I hope that didn't cross a line...
 
When I was 18, I got chatting to a woman who was playing a gig in a bar in Edinburgh - it turned out she was 38 and she was mortified when I told her I was 18, but nevertheless she invited me for a jam session at her place. It turned out she was in a relationship with a guy (ironically about the same age as I am now) and he was less than impressed, believing that it was all my idea - which was the polar opposite to the truth... when I turned up at their flat with my guitar, he made me feel about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. I must admit, I was completely naive and didn't even entertain the idea that there was anything but an 'artistic' connection there, but that guy's hostile behaviour made me realise that there was more to it than I had realised.

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Funny how this most likely wouldnt be blown up if this happened in a state or country where it wasnt illegal.

Of course it wouldn't. Because it's not about the sexual conduct, most people are rational enough to know that while it's a bit icky, a 17 year old is perfectly capable of consenting to put their willy in someone.

But the law is the law, and when this is going on around someone who has been publically decrying the issues of those with power in Hollywood using it to avoid the law, someone should rightly point out the hypocrisy.

Let me be clear that I don't think that this should create a chilling effect. Argento and others should still come out about how they were abused. But in her case she's also part of the problem that she wishes to solve, and so it would have been real nice of her to stand up of her own accord and say "you know what, I'm actually guilty of a similar thing and I realise now that it wasn't right".
 
True, but remember the USA then is not the USA now. It does really depend on the person with the finger on the trigger. So its best to not have it at all in my opinion.
You know it takes more than Trump to launch a nuke right? He can't just magically press a secret button on his desk and launch a nuke.
The paranoia I see after almost 2 years is hysterical.

TDS at its finest.
 
You know it takes more than Trump to launch a nuke right? He can't just magically press a secret button on his desk and launch a nuke.
The paranoia I see after almost 2 years is hysterical.

TDS at its finest.


"Oh he lies all the time and we love him for it!"

"He lies about the stupidest things! Maggah!"

"Look at the snowflakes struggling to figure his game out!"

...

Trump Delusion Syndrome, indeed.
 
You know it takes more than Trump to launch a nuke right? He can't just magically press a secret button on his desk and launch a nuke.
The paranoia I see after almost 2 years is hysterical.

TDS at its finest.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-nuclear-weapon-launch/

There's more people in the chain, obviously, but he's the only one with go/no-go authority. If he says launch, they launch. There are people in the chain that can try and convince him otherwise, but it has to be through appeal to reason rather than outright authority. My understanding is that it's that way because of the need to have a swift response should another country attempt to strike first.

So yes, you're correct, but in a very real sense Trump is the only one in the nuclear chain that actually has freedom of action. There's authentication and communication in there, but that's all just part of enacting a fairly large scale military action. Trump would be the one calling the shots, with no one able to countermand him.

P.S. I should note that I don't really disagree with this command structure, but it is highly dependent on the character and reliability of the guy in command. Clearly a lot of people feel quite uncomfortable with Trump having that power, and seeing how he snaps over stuff on the news or on Twitter, I don't really disagree with that assessment of him either. The idea that there are better and worse people to be in control of nuclear weapons isn't exactly revolutionary.
 
You know it takes more than Trump to launch a nuke right? He can't just magically press a secret button on his desk and launch a nuke.
The paranoia I see after almost 2 years is hysterical.

TDS at its finest.
I didnt mean it litterally and not specifically Trump. Any nation or organisation with a power hungry leader could be a threat with this kind of power. Thats why I used the James bond anology.

edit: added "organisation"
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-nuclear-weapon-launch/

There's more people in the chain, obviously, but he's the only one with go/no-go authority. If he says launch, they launch.

Sadly that's ultimately true with the exception that the President can't order anybody to do something that's illegal. The real scenario would probably play out as presented in that article, at least until Twitter develops nuclear-delivery capabilities.

You know it takes more than Trump to launch a nuke right? He can't just magically press a secret button on his desk and launch a nuke.

It only takes Trump to launch the nuke. The 'biscuit' codes are in his possession (unless he temporarily loses them like Bill Clinton supposedly did). He can unequivocally authorise and deliver a nuclear strike order. See above for how Command might respond.
 
Sadly that's ultimately true with the exception that the President can't order anybody to do something that's illegal. The real scenario would probably play out as presented in that article, at least until Twitter develops nuclear-delivery capabilities.

I think the problem is that in a nuclear launch scenario there probably isn't time to go through and sort out what's legal and what isn't.

Let's assume that Trump isn't a total child and won't just launch on someone because his breakfast burger is too cold. He'll only respond to some sort of threat. It's very debatable whether that could ever be flat out illegal; he'd be trying to protect the country. And there very much isn't time to figure it out in the fifteen to thirty minutes you have to respond. Realistically, unless the order is flat out bat guano insane the military will have to assume that he knows what he's doing and execute the order.

He's unlikely to be allowed to do something obviously illegal, but I suspect that were we to delve into military legality the President will have a lot of leeway to protect the country. That's why he's the Commander in Chief. Add into that a lot of modern US military intervention has drawn some pretty sharp criticism from the international community already about it's legality, and I really don't think that the idea of legal or illegal would actually do much in the heat of the moment.

It's a nice thing to say as a general as it gives the populace confidence in the integrity of their leaders, but I think the situations in which an officer would actually refuse a direct order from the President are few.
 
Sad to read that Senator John McCain has died shortly after halting his cancer treatment. I might not have always liked his politics but it was hard not to respect his drive, his strength of belief and of course his service record for his country. More politicians like him (on both sides of any aisle) would be a good thing for many countries.
 
Sad to read that Senator John McCain has died shortly after halting his cancer treatment. I might not have always liked his politics but it was hard not to respect his drive, his strength of belief and of course his service record for his country. More politicians like him (on both sides of any aisle) would be a good thing for many countries.

Well, 🤬.

I thought he was awesome. I feel much the same as you, I didn't necessarily agree with him but he was a great example of how someone could serve their country with integrity and honour. Even if such a man is your opponent, he is never your enemy. It's a sad day that he's left us.

I am not American, but I'll say it anyway. John Sidney McCain III, thank you for your service.
 
Sad to read that Senator John McCain has died shortly after halting his cancer treatment. I might not have always liked his politics but it was hard not to respect his drive, his strength of belief and of course his service record for his country. More politicians like him (on both sides of any aisle) would be a good thing for many countries.
RIP I also not always agreed with his view on politics, but he was always respectfull and above all he dedicated his life to his country (a goddamn warhero). I always liked how much respect there was between Obama and McCain even though they were advisaries. So what about that guy that said he isnt a warhero, just because he got caught?
 
@Northstar posted this video in @Cowboy's status about McCain's passing, and it deserves a mention here too:



I'll say what I said there: how far we've fallen in ten years. A candidate correcting someone about an inaccurate idea of the competition? It almost seems quaint now...

The '08 American election was the first one I really took notice of as an adult (I was still a teen in '04). As a Canadian, we get bombarded with US election news, arguably more than we do any local stuff, but to be fair, US policy significantly impacts us, so it does matter. I remember preferring Obama in the lead up to the election, but having a significant amount of respect for McCain. Even if you didn't agree with his particular stances, you could see why he had them, and the way he always let his own moral compass guide the way, even if it meant crossing party lines, was/is hugely admirable.

I wonder how differently things would've played out had Palin not been his VP candidate.
 
@Northstar posted this video in @Cowboy's status about McCain's passing, and it deserves a mention here too:



I'll say what I said there: how far we've fallen in ten years. A candidate correcting someone about an inaccurate idea of the competition? It almost seems quaint now...

The '08 American election was the first one I really took notice of as an adult (I was still a teen in '04). As a Canadian, we get bombarded with US election news, arguably more than we do any local stuff, but to be fair, US policy significantly impacts us, so it does matter. I remember preferring Obama in the lead up to the election, but having a significant amount of respect for McCain. Even if you didn't agree with his particular stances, you could see why he had them, and the way he always let his own moral compass guide the way, even if it meant crossing party lines, was/is hugely admirable.

I wonder how differently things would've played out had Palin not been his VP candidate.


My favorite moment was when he defied his party and gave a thumbs down to Obamacare repeal. In my eyes he followed his heart and ignored "party politics", because he knew he was at the end of the line and should do what was best for the american people at that moment.

 
Call CNN and give them that correction. They are calling it a preliminary trade deal.
The United States and Mexico have reached an agreement to change parts of NAFTA, the trade deal that President Donald Trump has derided for years as unfair.
Trump announced the agreement from the Oval Office Monday, with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto dialed in on a conference call. But the deal left open the question of whether Canada, the third country in NAFTA, would agree to the changes -- and Trump himself said he wanted to throw out the name NAFTA altogether.
"They used to call it NAFTA," Trump said. "We're going to call it the United States-Mexico trade agreement. We're going to get rid of NAFTA because it has a bad connotation."
Regardless of whatever semantics you want to argue over, it sounds like the Mexican President-elect is on board with the agreement and cooperation between Pena Nieto and Trump is a good thing. Now if Trudeau can get his ass in gear we might have something good going here again...
 
Call CNN and give them that correction. They are calling it a preliminary trade deal.

But it can never be a win when Trump promised that Mexico would pay for a border wall. He suggested multiple times he would let Mexico pay for it by "correcting"the trade deficit with Mexico.
 
But it can never be a win when Trump promised that Mexico would pay for a border wall. He suggested multiple times he would let Mexico pay for it by "correcting"the trade deficit with Mexico.
I'm sure he'll put his usual Trumpian spin on things and make it all look rosy for the base:lol:

Great! Now I can't wait until Trump sticks it to those cheating bastards in Canada. Particularly the cheating auto industry bastards in Windsor, Ontario.
Thoroughly unsurprising response. *yawn*. You need to come up with better material.
 
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