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Just because I'm curious, to Trump supporters:

When DT says he knows a lot about helicopters (for instance), do you believe him or not believe him and don't care? Further, does it every bother any of you that he ceaselessly brags about himself?
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Just because I'm curious, to Trump supporters:

When DT says he knows a lot about helicopters (for instance), do you believe him or not believe him and don't care? Further, does it every bother any of you that he ceaselessly brags about himself?
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No.
Don't care.
It gets a little annoying IMO...
 
andrea


You have to have your brains outside of your body and completely detached to take anything he says at face value.
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Is this real?
How can this be a person people think is suitable for anything other than scientific experimentation????? Like I know we joke about Bojo, but at least he can convincingly wrestle himself though human speech and make some sort of coherent point
 
baldgye
Is this real?
How can this be a person people think is suitable for anything other than scientific experimentation????? Like I know we joke about Bojo, but at least he can convincingly wrestle himself though human speech and make some sort of coherent point
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Here's the whole thing...
 
US weekly jobless claims double to 6.6 million

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/weekly-jobless-claims.html

The torrent of Americans filing for unemployment insurance skyrocketed last week as more than 6.6 million new claims were filed, the Labor Department reported Thursday. That brings to 10 million the total Americans who filed over the past two weeks.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had expected 3.1 million for last week, one week after 3.3 million filings in the first wave of what has been a record-shattering swelling of the jobless ranks. The previous week’s total was revised higher by 24,000.

Stock market futures gave up most of their previous gains in the morning but still pointed to a slightly higher open on Wall Street.
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This topped the highest estimate, which was about 6M. Uncharted waters.
 
It's crazy how Trump started all this by saying it was a Democrat Hoax to make him look bad, over 16 Thousand have Lost their lives in the US now.

How self consumed can someone get seriously.
 
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andrea
US weekly jobless claims double to 6.6 million

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/weekly-jobless-claims.html


This topped the highest estimate, which was about 6M. Uncharted waters.
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I don't know why people are wigging out over that. It's claims, not the actual number of people on UE. I'm one of the 6.6M. I applied for poops a giggles for temporary, for the 2 weeks off we had to take. By the time they got to me I was already back to work and told the infamous 'you're a contractor and you make too much...'
I'm glad I ' made too much', I'd be dead probably if I really needed the help.
 
ryzno
I don't know why people are wigging out over that. It's claims, not the actual number of people on UE. I'm one of the 6.6M. I applied for poops a giggles for temporary, for the 2 weeks off we had to take. By the time they got to me I was already back to work and told the infamous 'you're a contractor and you make too much...'
I'm glad I ' made too much', I'd be dead probably if I really needed the help.
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Might have something to do with it being an order of magnitude more than we've seen since... well based on those charts... 60 years.
 
andrea


I didn’t think it was possible to be tautological and wrong at the same time.
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President ignores Constitution shock.


I'm actually a little unsure about how it'd work. I imagine that, for "national security", the President could order the States to lock down to prevent the spread of a contagion. It seems like that is a power than the President has or should have. However I don't think it works the other way - I don't think he can, or if he can he shouldn't have the power to, order States to end a quarantine. It should be up to them to decide if the danger has passed for them. The President protects the nation, the States protect themselves.

Could individual States ban travel to other States which it regards as dangerous?
 
Famine
Could individual States ban travel to other States which it regards as dangerous?
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Slovakia banned internal travel over Easter, preventing travel between counties.

Obviously that's not the same as what is supposed to be a federation of states but just putting it out there that internal travel restrictions aren't unheard of at these times.
 
Famine
Could individual States ban travel to other States which it regards as dangerous?
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It's tricky because interstate commerce is essentially protected, as is traveling through a state to another destination. However, what isn't exactly clear is if the states have the power to restrict someone from just meandering into their borders just because they felt like it. It'd probably be pretty hard to stop people too since virtually anything can be seen as commerce. For example, just filling up or getting a Coke would technically be considered commerce since the person is buying stuff.

I think you'll see more states doing what Utah is currently doing. Right now anyone over the age of 18 has to fill out a travel declaration upon entering the state if they're not a Utah resident. At all of our Ports of Entry, they've set up an area for travelers to pull over and fill it out via their mobile phones. They've also geo-fenced the entire state and you get one of those super loud alerts on your phone upon entering the state (I'm not sure if they have Amber Alerts in the UK, but if a kid goes missing here, every phone is messaged). Basically we want to know why you're coming here and we want to keep track of you so you don't spread the virus around (really, I think it's a measure to keep Californians out but who knows).

I'm not sure what to make of all this either. I do think states should have the right to restrict non-residents from coming into their jurisdiction when they deem it necessary to protect their citizens. However, the whole tracking thing by the government is way too Big Brother for me and I think it's a bit of an overstep. It probably doesn't help that a majority of LDS members have a distrust of "outsiders" and especially the US government due to their history.
 
Joey D
It's tricky because interstate commerce is essentially protected, as is traveling through a state to another destination. However, what isn't exactly clear is if the states have the power to restrict someone from just meandering into their borders just because they felt like it. It'd probably be pretty hard to stop people too since virtually anything can be seen as commerce. For example, just filling up or getting a Coke would technically be considered commerce since the person is buying stuff.
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Not sure how analogous it is, but I've seen a state shut down its borders before. In September of 2013, I was southbound on I-25 out of Cheyenne, WY, attempting to enter Colorado. At the time, part of the Front Range, particularly Boulder, was being hit by a devastating flood. Just short of the border, the State Patrol had set up a roadblock, preventing entry into Colorado. I backtracked a little to the east, to try US-85, and got to the border just as they were setting up another roadblock there. One of the troopers there told me "Colorado is closed today." Thought it was a little odd to hear a state talked about like a place of business.
 
According to the local news the Rhode Island state police are stopping all traffic coming into Rhode Island from the south and denying entry to any from New York.
 
UKMikey
Their rivals in Michigan are also taking it to the streets. :rolleyes:
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Outside southeast lower Michigan, Grand Rapids, and Traverse City, Michigan is essentially the Alabama of the north with Indiana filling in for the Mississippi of the north.

What I still don't get was the number of the traitor Confederate battle flags people were flying during that protest. It's Michigan, virtually no one there is from the south and even if they were, why fly the flag of a bunch of losers?

The protests wouldn't have happened if the governor hadn't half-assed the stay at home order though. Or maybe they would've, but people would probably be less irritated by it. For whatever reason Gov. Whitmer said stores couldn't sell non-essential items but didn't explain what those were exactly. Some stores were banning the sale of baby items like car seats and stuff. While that's not what the order had in mind, it wasn't exactly explained very well. Also, Gov. Whitmer botched the filing of the emergency declaration paperwork which delayed the federal government's response.

Still, she's not as bad as the last guy who literally ignored and tried to cover up the poisoning of an entire city's water supply.

As much as I miss Michigan, I'm really glad I no longer live there because it's a roaring dumpster fire. Also, as I eluded to in the Health Care thread, Michigan has a higher mortality rate due to COVID-19 than New York despite having some of the biggest and best healthcare systems in the nation.
 
Joey D
Also, Gov. Whitmer botched the filing of the emergency declaration paperwork which delayed the federal government's response.
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Can you elaborate on this? How exactly did she 'botch' it? I've read a few different articles but all of them were politically charged, long on hyperbole and short on facts.
 
jjaisli
Can you elaborate on this? How exactly did she 'botch' it? I've read a few different articles but all of them were politically charged, long on hyperbole and short on facts.
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Gov. Whitmer had gone to the media saying the federal government and President Trump weren't helping Michigan. However, on March 25th, FEMA said it hadn't received any form of disaster declaration from Michigan (hopefully you can access the article from the Detroit Free Press). The next day, Gov. Whitmer filed the paperwork. Two days later, Trump approved the disaster declaration.

Don't get me wrong, Trump could've easily sorted it our instead of playing politics and he has bent the SOP for this sort of thing for other states. Trump also didn't help himself by saying (whether jokingly or not) that Pence shouldn't call "that woman from Michigan". But at the same time, Gov. Whitmer could've filed the diaster declaration sooner. It's just a bunch of political BS that potentially cost people their lives and while both are at fault, the safety of a state's citizens should ultimately come down to the governor.
 

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