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In other Trump Twitter news, this Tweet of his made me do a double-take.



Awesome, $65 million to UTA (which is a nightmare) for a new bus line. But wait, he said Weber State University and McKay-Dee Hospital. Let's take a look at the map:

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Ignore that that's already a bus that can take you from Weber to McKay-Dee, they're literally across the street from one another. What the hell are these buses going to be made out of, pure gold?

Also, Utahan? It's Utahn, you dolt.
 
In other Trump Twitter news, this Tweet of his made me do a double-take.



Awesome, $65 million to UTA (which is a nightmare) for a new bus line. But wait, he said Weber State University and McKay-Dee Hospital. Let's take a look at the map:

ETR1KuQ.png


Ignore that that's already a bus that can take you from Weber to McKay-Dee, they're literally across the street from one another. What the hell are these buses going to be made out of, pure gold?

Also, Utahan? It's Utahn, you dolt.


He made a similar pronouncement regarding BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) a few weeks ago. Even though it was just federal grant money that was going to be allocated regardless of Trump's input. This is basically a little "look what Donnie can do for you!" I'm sure he'll threaten to withhold it in due course.
 
With all this discontent focused on Trump, it's a pity that the thread that was ostensibly meant to act as something of a sponge for that sort of thing got repurposed in a blindingly obvious, desperate and, plainly, pathetic plea for attention after it had gone nearly a week (like...omigawd) without a single reply. Womp-womp.
 
Well, he's appointed two justices to the Supreme Court, and now there's a conservative majority. But how does section 230 affect Twitter and Facebook?
We have libel laws in this country to protect people from being falsely defamed. Social media platforms are immune from libel lawsuits because they are not publishers, they are not content creators, they are merely platforms for others.

Enter Sandmann, he was falsely accused of getting in the face of, and taunting that Indian fellow who was just innocently there in Washington DC beating his ceremonial drum. This exploded on twitter and was picked up by most of the news media. Well that awful, smirking, MAGA hat wearing punk was exonerated when more video came out showing that it was the Indian elder was the instigator of the incident. Section 230 shielded Twitter from a lawsuit, Sandmann ended up suing several media outlets.
Do conservatives move to another platform that is more friendly to them?
Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are THE platforms. Conservatives don't want a friendly platform, they want an unbiased, fair platform. They want to interact with all people, left and right. Ain't no sense in preachin' to the choir.
 
William Barr is sort of a Dominic Cummings-style guru working for Trump in the guise of Attorney General. It looks like a promising summer of fun and surfing is on the way!

Attorney General William Barr has raised the possibility that the U.S. government could seek changes to the rules. "No longer are tech companies the underdog upstarts," Barr said in a speech in February, reflecting on the origin of the statute. "They have become titans."

The law is controversial. It spares tech companies from being held liable for the content posted by their users but also spares them liability for decisions they make to removed content. Critics long have said those exceptions allow some of Silicon Valley's most profitable companies to skirt responsibility for the harmful content that flourishes on their online platforms, including hate speech, terrorist propaganda and election-related falsehoods.

Republicans, meanwhile, at times have threatened to try to revoke the industry's protections in response to allegations of anti-conservative bias, charges that Facebook, Google and Twitter repeatedly have denied.

On Thursday, many in the industry leaped to the law's defense, signaling a protracted fight to come.
 
Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are THE platforms. Conservatives don't want a friendly platform, they want an unbiased, fair platform. They want to interact with all people, left and right. Ain't no sense in preachin' to the choir.

That was the gist of my post, Crunch! The problem is that they cannot force these companies to be unbiased other than to revoke section 230 protects. As private entities, the Government has no standing to compel them to do anything regarding speech. So they can only threaten to leave them unprotected - the fact that this is the course the government is pursuing makes that self evident. The problem with that avenue is that doing so would either destroy them OR make them moderate even more/become more biased.

I think the administration is hoping that the existential threat of their destruction will put them in line (well, Twitter specifically) but I think Dorsey can pretty much say "no thanks" and Trump will either have to deploy the nuclear option (political suicide, ultimately) or back down (which will also hurt him politically). I think Trump has actually backed himself into a corner here. Interesting to see how this plays out.

I'd also like to point out that it is ludicrous for conservatives to complain about Twitter considering it is the best thing that's happened to them in decades.
 
Conservatives don't want a friendly platform, they want an unbiased, fair platform. They want to interact with all people, left and right. Ain't no sense in preachin' to the choir.

Sounds like they should create one then if they don't think Twitter is an unbiased platform.
 
Sounds like they should create one then if they don't think Twitter is an unbiased platform.
I was going to substitute the "i" with an "a" but it (kind of) already exists.

Maybe Twittor instead.
 
That was the gist of my post, Crunch! The problem is that they cannot force these companies to be unbiased other than to revoke section 230 protects. As private entities, the Government has no standing to compel them to do anything regarding speech. So they can only threaten to leave them unprotected - the fact that this is the course the government is pursuing makes that self evident. The problem with that avenue is that doing so would either destroy them OR make them moderate even more/become more biased.

I think the administration is hoping that the existential threat of their destruction will put them in line (well, Twitter specifically) but I think Dorsey can pretty much say "no thanks" and Trump will either have to deploy the nuclear option (political suicide, ultimately) or back down (which will also hurt him politically). I think Trump has actually backed himself into a corner here. Interesting to see how this plays out.

I'd also like to point out that it is ludicrous for conservatives to complain about Twitter considering it is the best thing that's happened to them in decades.
Why can't twitter just shut up? Why can't they just pass along user tweets? It is what it was built to do.

When I was a kid in the '70s the KKK would hold public rallies in Louisville Ky. 20 supporters would show up, and usually hundreds of protesters. There was a saying back then: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it". That is what the 1st amendment is all about. No one needs to defend popular speech.

Giant social media platforms are the new public square. No one in America ever censored the public square. But they feel the need to do so.



These social media companies enjoy the indemnity of the public square, but they want to, and have been censoring the new public square.

BTW: that clip is from The Atomic Cafe. A great documentary from 1982, just after Reagan took over. Haven't seen it in decades, but gonna watch it tonight. The cold war was raging when this came out. I can't believe the whole thing is on Youtube.
 
Why can't twitter just shut up? Why can't they just pass along user tweets? It is what it was built to do.

When I was a kid in the '70s the KKK would hold public rallies in Louisville Ky. 20 supporters would show up, and usually hundreds of protesters. There was a saying back then: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it". That is what the 1st amendment is all about. No one needs to defend popular speech.

Giant social media platforms are the new public square. No one in America ever censored the public square. But they feel the need to do so.



These social media companies enjoy the indemnity of the public square, but they want to, and have been censoring the new public square.

BTW: that clip is from The Atomic Cafe. A great documentary from 1982, just after Reagan took over. Haven't seen it in decades, but gonna watch it tonight. The cold war was raging when this came out. I can't believe the whole thing is on Youtube.


Why can't Twitter shut up? They can't be compelled to shut up. Does Twitter not have a right to free speech too? You can say they are the new public square all you want, but they are not public property as analogous as it might seem to be. Abusing the first amendment rights of some to enforce the first amendment rights for others don't seem like a good use of the first amendment. You could possibly (not sure about the legality of this one) nationalize outright or otherwise seize Twitter via something like eminent domain and then it could function as a digital public square..but I somehow don't think you'd retain the user-base.

To be clear, I think it would be wonderful if all/most social media disappeared. But it should be due to elective public abandonment, and not government decree.

The doc looks good, I'll probably check that out. Have you read "the Making of the Atomic Bomb"? Great read! Less cold war politics and more early 20th century science, but great nonetheless. Also contains nukes.
 
Why can't Twitter shut up? They can't be compelled to shut up. Does Twitter not have a right to free speech too?
No they don't, They are not the speakers, the users are. The users create the content, they don't. That is the whole reason why they are exempt from lawsuits by section 230. They are the platform, the bulletin board, the town square, the telephone. They do not get to say what is said.

If it is against their rules, like porn, they have a say. If there is illegality, then they should call the law.


Trump's executive order:

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -



PREVENTING ONLINE CENSORSHIP


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy. Free speech is the bedrock of American democracy. Our Founding Fathers protected this sacred right with the First Amendment to the Constitution. The freedom to express and debate ideas is the foundation for all of our rights as a free people.
In a country that has long cherished the freedom of expression, we cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to hand pick the speech that Americans may access and convey on the internet. This practice is fundamentally un-American and anti-democratic. When large, powerful social media companies censor opinions with which they disagree, they exercise a dangerous power. They cease functioning as passive bulletin boards, and ought to be viewed and treated as content creators.
The growth of online platforms in recent years raises important questions about applying the ideals of the First Amendment to modern communications technology. Today, many Americans follow the news, stay in touch with friends and family, and share their views on current events through social media and other online platforms. As a result, these platforms function in many ways as a 21st century equivalent of the public square.
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube wield immense, if not unprecedented, power to shape the interpretation of public events; to censor, delete, or disappear information; and to control what people see or do not see.
As President, I have made clear my commitment to free and open debate on the internet. Such debate is just as important online as it is in our universities, our town halls, and our homes. It is essential to sustaining our democracy.
Online platforms are engaging in selective censorship that is harming our national discourse. Tens of thousands of Americans have reported, among other troubling behaviors, online platforms "flagging" content as inappropriate, even though it does not violate any stated terms of service; making unannounced and unexplained changes to company policies that have the effect of disfavoring certain viewpoints; and deleting content and entire accounts with no warning, no rationale, and no recourse.
Twitter now selectively decides to place a warning label on certain tweets in a manner that clearly reflects political bias. As has been reported, Twitter seems never to have placed such a label on another politician's tweet. As recently as last week, Representative Adam Schiff was continuing to mislead his followers by peddling the long-disproved Russian Collusion Hoax, and Twitter did not flag those tweets. Unsurprisingly, its officer in charge of so-called "Site Integrity" has flaunted his political bias in his own tweets.
At the same time online platforms are invoking inconsistent, irrational, and groundless justifications to censor or otherwise restrict Americans' speech here at home, several online platforms are profiting from and promoting the aggression and disinformation spread by foreign governments like China. One United States company, for example, created a search engine for the Chinese Communist Party that would have blacklisted searches for "human rights," hid data unfavorable to the Chinese Communist Party, and tracked users determined appropriate for surveillance. It also established research partnerships in China that provide direct benefits to the Chinese military. Other companies have accepted advertisements paid for by the Chinese government that spread false information about China's mass imprisonment of religious minorities, thereby enabling these abuses of human rights. They have also amplified China's propaganda abroad, including by allowing Chinese government officials to use their platforms to spread misinformation regarding the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, and to undermine pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.
As a Nation, we must foster and protect diverse viewpoints in today's digital communications environment where all Americans can and should have a voice. We must seek transparency and accountability from online platforms, and encourage standards and tools to protect and preserve the integrity and openness of American discourse and freedom of expression.
Sec. 2. Protections Against Online Censorship. (a) It is the policy of the United States to foster clear ground rules promoting free and open debate on the internet. Prominent among the ground rules governing that debate is the immunity from liability created by section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act (section 230(c)). 47 U.S.C. 230(c). It is the policy of the United States that the scope of that immunity should be clarified: the immunity should not extend beyond its text and purpose to provide protection for those who purport to provide users a forum for free and open speech, but in reality use their power over a vital means of communication to engage in deceptive or pretextual actions stifling free and open debate by censoring certain viewpoints.
Section 230(c) was designed to address early court decisions holding that, if an online platform restricted access to some content posted by others, it would thereby become a "publisher" of all the content posted on its site for purposes of torts such as defamation. As the title of section 230(c) makes clear, the provision provides limited liability "protection" to a provider of an interactive computer service (such as an online platform) that engages in "'Good Samaritan' blocking" of harmful content. In particular, the Congress sought to provide protections for online platforms that attempted to protect minors from harmful content and intended to ensure that such providers would not be discouraged from taking down harmful material. The provision was also intended to further the express vision of the Congress that the internet is a "forum for a true diversity of political discourse." 47 U.S.C. 230(a)(3). The limited protections provided by the statute should be construed with these purposes in mind.
In particular, subparagraph (c)(2) expressly addresses protections from "civil liability" and specifies that an interactive computer service provider may not be made liable "on account of" its decision in "good faith" to restrict access to content that it considers to be "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise objectionable." It is the policy of the United States to ensure that, to the maximum extent permissible under the law, this provision is not distorted to provide liability protection for online platforms that -- far from acting in "good faith" to remove objectionable content -- instead engage in deceptive or pretextual actions (often contrary to their stated terms of service) to stifle viewpoints with which they disagree. Section 230 was not intended to allow a handful of companies to grow into titans controlling vital avenues for our national discourse under the guise of promoting open forums for debate, and then to provide those behemoths blanket immunity when they use their power to censor content and silence viewpoints that they dislike. When an interactive computer service provider removes or restricts access to content and its actions do not meet the criteria of subparagraph (c)(2)(A), it is engaged in editorial conduct. It is the policy of the United States that such a provider should properly lose the limited liability shield of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) and be exposed to liability like any traditional editor and publisher that is not an online provider.
(b) To advance the policy described in subsection (a) of this section, all executive departments and agencies should ensure that their application of section 230(c) properly reflects the narrow purpose of the section and take all appropriate actions in this regard. In addition, within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary), in consultation with the Attorney General, and acting through the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), shall file a petition for rulemaking with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requesting that the FCC expeditiously propose regulations to clarify:
(i) the interaction between subparagraphs (c)(1) and (c)(2) of section 230, in particular to clarify and determine the circumstances under which a provider of an interactive computer service that restricts access to content in a manner not specifically protected by subparagraph (c)(2)(A) may also not be able to claim protection under subparagraph (c)(1), which merely states that a provider shall not be treated as a publisher or speaker for making third-party content available and does not address the provider's responsibility for its own editorial decisions;
(ii) the conditions under which an action restricting access to or availability of material is not "taken in good faith" within the meaning of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) of section 230, particularly whether actions can be "taken in good faith" if they are:
(A) deceptive, pretextual, or inconsistent with a provider's terms of service; or
(B) taken after failing to provide adequate notice, reasoned explanation, or a meaningful opportunity to be heard; and
(iii) any other proposed regulations that the NTIA concludes may be appropriate to advance the policy described in subsection (a) of this section.
Sec. 3. Protecting Federal Taxpayer Dollars from Financing Online Platforms That Restrict Free Speech. (a) The head of each executive department and agency (agency) shall review its agency's Federal spending on advertising and marketing paid to online platforms. Such review shall include the amount of money spent, the online platforms that receive Federal dollars, and the statutory authorities available to restrict their receipt of advertising dollars.
(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall report its findings to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
(c) The Department of Justice shall review the viewpoint-based speech restrictions imposed by each online platform identified in the report described in subsection (b) of this section and assess whether any online platforms are problematic vehicles for government speech due to viewpoint discrimination, deception to consumers, or other bad practices.
Sec. 4. Federal Review of Unfair or Deceptive Acts or Practices. (a) It is the policy of the United States that large online platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook, as the critical means of promoting the free flow of speech and ideas today, should not restrict protected speech. The Supreme Court has noted that social media sites, as the modern public square, "can provide perhaps the most powerful mechanisms available to a private citizen to make his or her voice heard." Packingham v. North Carolina, 137 S. Ct. 1730, 1737 (2017). Communication through these channels has become important for meaningful participation in American democracy, including to petition elected leaders. These sites are providing an important forum to the public for others to engage in free expression and debate. Cf. PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins, 447 U.S. 74, 85-89 (1980).
(b) In May of 2019, the White House launched a Tech Bias Reporting tool to allow Americans to report incidents of online censorship. In just weeks, the White House received over 16,000 complaints of online platforms censoring or otherwise taking action against users based on their political viewpoints. The White House will submit such complaints received to the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
(c) The FTC shall consider taking action, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to prohibit unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce, pursuant to section 45 of title 15, United States Code. Such unfair or deceptive acts or practice may include practices by entities covered by section 230 that restrict speech in ways that do not align with those entities' public representations about those practices.
(d) For large online platforms that are vast arenas for public debate, including the social media platform Twitter, the FTC shall also, consistent with its legal authority, consider whether complaints allege violations of law that implicate the policies set forth in section 4(a) of this order. The FTC shall consider developing a report describing such complaints and making the report publicly available, consistent with applicable law.

Sec. 5. State Review of Unfair or Deceptive Acts or Practices and Anti-Discrimination Laws. (a) The Attorney General shall establish a working group regarding the potential enforcement of State statutes that prohibit online platforms from engaging in unfair or deceptive acts or practices. The working group shall also develop model legislation for consideration by legislatures in States where existing statutes do not protect Americans from such unfair and deceptive acts and practices. The working group shall invite State Attorneys General for discussion and consultation, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law.
(b) Complaints described in section 4(b) of this order will be shared with the working group, consistent with applicable law. The working group shall also collect publicly available information regarding the following:
(i) increased scrutiny of users based on the other users they choose to follow, or their interactions with other users;
(ii) algorithms to suppress content or users based on indications of political alignment or viewpoint;
(iii) differential policies allowing for otherwise impermissible behavior, when committed by accounts associated with the Chinese Communist Party or other anti-democratic associations or governments;
(iv) reliance on third-party entities, including contractors, media
organizations, and individuals, with indicia of bias to review content; and
(v) acts that limit the ability of users with particular viewpoints to earn money on the platform compared with other users similarly situated.
Sec. 6. Legislation. The Attorney General shall develop a proposal for Federal legislation that would be useful to promote the policy objectives of this order.
Sec. 7. Definition. For purposes of this order, the term "online platform" means any website or application that allows users to create and share content or engage in social networking, or any general search engine.
Sec. 8. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.




DONALD J. TRUMP




THE WHITE HOUSE,
May 28, 2020.
 
Fact checking a false claim is forcing a particular view point? That argument might hold more merit if there's evidence Twitter doesn't fact check Democrats making false claims.

I think the viewpoint they are forcing is that actual facts are somehow better than alternative facts. :D
 
No they don't, They are not the speakers, the users are. The users create the content, they don't. That is the whole reason why they are exempt from lawsuits by section 230. They are the platform, the bulletin board, the town square, the telephone. They do not get to say what is said.

If it is against their rules, like porn, they have a say. If there is illegality, then they should call the law.


Trump's executive order:

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -



PREVENTING ONLINE CENSORSHIP


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy. Free speech is the bedrock of American democracy. Our Founding Fathers protected this sacred right with the First Amendment to the Constitution. The freedom to express and debate ideas is the foundation for all of our rights as a free people.
In a country that has long cherished the freedom of expression, we cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to hand pick the speech that Americans may access and convey on the internet. This practice is fundamentally un-American and anti-democratic. When large, powerful social media companies censor opinions with which they disagree, they exercise a dangerous power. They cease functioning as passive bulletin boards, and ought to be viewed and treated as content creators.
The growth of online platforms in recent years raises important questions about applying the ideals of the First Amendment to modern communications technology. Today, many Americans follow the news, stay in touch with friends and family, and share their views on current events through social media and other online platforms. As a result, these platforms function in many ways as a 21st century equivalent of the public square.
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube wield immense, if not unprecedented, power to shape the interpretation of public events; to censor, delete, or disappear information; and to control what people see or do not see.
As President, I have made clear my commitment to free and open debate on the internet. Such debate is just as important online as it is in our universities, our town halls, and our homes. It is essential to sustaining our democracy.
Online platforms are engaging in selective censorship that is harming our national discourse. Tens of thousands of Americans have reported, among other troubling behaviors, online platforms "flagging" content as inappropriate, even though it does not violate any stated terms of service; making unannounced and unexplained changes to company policies that have the effect of disfavoring certain viewpoints; and deleting content and entire accounts with no warning, no rationale, and no recourse.
Twitter now selectively decides to place a warning label on certain tweets in a manner that clearly reflects political bias. As has been reported, Twitter seems never to have placed such a label on another politician's tweet. As recently as last week, Representative Adam Schiff was continuing to mislead his followers by peddling the long-disproved Russian Collusion Hoax, and Twitter did not flag those tweets. Unsurprisingly, its officer in charge of so-called "Site Integrity" has flaunted his political bias in his own tweets.
At the same time online platforms are invoking inconsistent, irrational, and groundless justifications to censor or otherwise restrict Americans' speech here at home, several online platforms are profiting from and promoting the aggression and disinformation spread by foreign governments like China. One United States company, for example, created a search engine for the Chinese Communist Party that would have blacklisted searches for "human rights," hid data unfavorable to the Chinese Communist Party, and tracked users determined appropriate for surveillance. It also established research partnerships in China that provide direct benefits to the Chinese military. Other companies have accepted advertisements paid for by the Chinese government that spread false information about China's mass imprisonment of religious minorities, thereby enabling these abuses of human rights. They have also amplified China's propaganda abroad, including by allowing Chinese government officials to use their platforms to spread misinformation regarding the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, and to undermine pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong.
As a Nation, we must foster and protect diverse viewpoints in today's digital communications environment where all Americans can and should have a voice. We must seek transparency and accountability from online platforms, and encourage standards and tools to protect and preserve the integrity and openness of American discourse and freedom of expression.
Sec. 2. Protections Against Online Censorship. (a) It is the policy of the United States to foster clear ground rules promoting free and open debate on the internet. Prominent among the ground rules governing that debate is the immunity from liability created by section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act (section 230(c)). 47 U.S.C. 230(c). It is the policy of the United States that the scope of that immunity should be clarified: the immunity should not extend beyond its text and purpose to provide protection for those who purport to provide users a forum for free and open speech, but in reality use their power over a vital means of communication to engage in deceptive or pretextual actions stifling free and open debate by censoring certain viewpoints.
Section 230(c) was designed to address early court decisions holding that, if an online platform restricted access to some content posted by others, it would thereby become a "publisher" of all the content posted on its site for purposes of torts such as defamation. As the title of section 230(c) makes clear, the provision provides limited liability "protection" to a provider of an interactive computer service (such as an online platform) that engages in "'Good Samaritan' blocking" of harmful content. In particular, the Congress sought to provide protections for online platforms that attempted to protect minors from harmful content and intended to ensure that such providers would not be discouraged from taking down harmful material. The provision was also intended to further the express vision of the Congress that the internet is a "forum for a true diversity of political discourse." 47 U.S.C. 230(a)(3). The limited protections provided by the statute should be construed with these purposes in mind.
In particular, subparagraph (c)(2) expressly addresses protections from "civil liability" and specifies that an interactive computer service provider may not be made liable "on account of" its decision in "good faith" to restrict access to content that it considers to be "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise objectionable." It is the policy of the United States to ensure that, to the maximum extent permissible under the law, this provision is not distorted to provide liability protection for online platforms that -- far from acting in "good faith" to remove objectionable content -- instead engage in deceptive or pretextual actions (often contrary to their stated terms of service) to stifle viewpoints with which they disagree. Section 230 was not intended to allow a handful of companies to grow into titans controlling vital avenues for our national discourse under the guise of promoting open forums for debate, and then to provide those behemoths blanket immunity when they use their power to censor content and silence viewpoints that they dislike. When an interactive computer service provider removes or restricts access to content and its actions do not meet the criteria of subparagraph (c)(2)(A), it is engaged in editorial conduct. It is the policy of the United States that such a provider should properly lose the limited liability shield of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) and be exposed to liability like any traditional editor and publisher that is not an online provider.
(b) To advance the policy described in subsection (a) of this section, all executive departments and agencies should ensure that their application of section 230(c) properly reflects the narrow purpose of the section and take all appropriate actions in this regard. In addition, within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary), in consultation with the Attorney General, and acting through the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), shall file a petition for rulemaking with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requesting that the FCC expeditiously propose regulations to clarify:
(i) the interaction between subparagraphs (c)(1) and (c)(2) of section 230, in particular to clarify and determine the circumstances under which a provider of an interactive computer service that restricts access to content in a manner not specifically protected by subparagraph (c)(2)(A) may also not be able to claim protection under subparagraph (c)(1), which merely states that a provider shall not be treated as a publisher or speaker for making third-party content available and does not address the provider's responsibility for its own editorial decisions;
(ii) the conditions under which an action restricting access to or availability of material is not "taken in good faith" within the meaning of subparagraph (c)(2)(A) of section 230, particularly whether actions can be "taken in good faith" if they are:
(A) deceptive, pretextual, or inconsistent with a provider's terms of service; or
(B) taken after failing to provide adequate notice, reasoned explanation, or a meaningful opportunity to be heard; and
(iii) any other proposed regulations that the NTIA concludes may be appropriate to advance the policy described in subsection (a) of this section.
Sec. 3. Protecting Federal Taxpayer Dollars from Financing Online Platforms That Restrict Free Speech. (a) The head of each executive department and agency (agency) shall review its agency's Federal spending on advertising and marketing paid to online platforms. Such review shall include the amount of money spent, the online platforms that receive Federal dollars, and the statutory authorities available to restrict their receipt of advertising dollars.
(b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall report its findings to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
(c) The Department of Justice shall review the viewpoint-based speech restrictions imposed by each online platform identified in the report described in subsection (b) of this section and assess whether any online platforms are problematic vehicles for government speech due to viewpoint discrimination, deception to consumers, or other bad practices.
Sec. 4. Federal Review of Unfair or Deceptive Acts or Practices. (a) It is the policy of the United States that large online platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook, as the critical means of promoting the free flow of speech and ideas today, should not restrict protected speech. The Supreme Court has noted that social media sites, as the modern public square, "can provide perhaps the most powerful mechanisms available to a private citizen to make his or her voice heard." Packingham v. North Carolina, 137 S. Ct. 1730, 1737 (2017). Communication through these channels has become important for meaningful participation in American democracy, including to petition elected leaders. These sites are providing an important forum to the public for others to engage in free expression and debate. Cf. PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins, 447 U.S. 74, 85-89 (1980).
(b) In May of 2019, the White House launched a Tech Bias Reporting tool to allow Americans to report incidents of online censorship. In just weeks, the White House received over 16,000 complaints of online platforms censoring or otherwise taking action against users based on their political viewpoints. The White House will submit such complaints received to the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).
(c) The FTC shall consider taking action, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to prohibit unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce, pursuant to section 45 of title 15, United States Code. Such unfair or deceptive acts or practice may include practices by entities covered by section 230 that restrict speech in ways that do not align with those entities' public representations about those practices.
(d) For large online platforms that are vast arenas for public debate, including the social media platform Twitter, the FTC shall also, consistent with its legal authority, consider whether complaints allege violations of law that implicate the policies set forth in section 4(a) of this order. The FTC shall consider developing a report describing such complaints and making the report publicly available, consistent with applicable law.

Sec. 5. State Review of Unfair or Deceptive Acts or Practices and Anti-Discrimination Laws. (a) The Attorney General shall establish a working group regarding the potential enforcement of State statutes that prohibit online platforms from engaging in unfair or deceptive acts or practices. The working group shall also develop model legislation for consideration by legislatures in States where existing statutes do not protect Americans from such unfair and deceptive acts and practices. The working group shall invite State Attorneys General for discussion and consultation, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law.
(b) Complaints described in section 4(b) of this order will be shared with the working group, consistent with applicable law. The working group shall also collect publicly available information regarding the following:
(i) increased scrutiny of users based on the other users they choose to follow, or their interactions with other users;
(ii) algorithms to suppress content or users based on indications of political alignment or viewpoint;
(iii) differential policies allowing for otherwise impermissible behavior, when committed by accounts associated with the Chinese Communist Party or other anti-democratic associations or governments;
(iv) reliance on third-party entities, including contractors, media
organizations, and individuals, with indicia of bias to review content; and
(v) acts that limit the ability of users with particular viewpoints to earn money on the platform compared with other users similarly situated.
Sec. 6. Legislation. The Attorney General shall develop a proposal for Federal legislation that would be useful to promote the policy objectives of this order.
Sec. 7. Definition. For purposes of this order, the term "online platform" means any website or application that allows users to create and share content or engage in social networking, or any general search engine.
Sec. 8. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.




DONALD J. TRUMP




THE WHITE HOUSE,
May 28, 2020.
So basically because a Terms of service exists the whole order is toilet paper.
 
To begin with, the First Amendment is a restraint on the Government and protects private editors and speakers from Government regulation. The First Amendment protects the independent media and independent communications marketplace against Government control and overreaching....

...If market power need not be shown, the Government could regulate the editorial decisions of Facebook and Google, of MSNBC and Fox, of NYTimes.com and WSJ.com, of YouTube and Twitter. Can the Government really force Facebook and Google and all of those other entities to operate as common carriers? Can the Government really impose forced-carriage or equal-access obligations on YouTube and Twitter? If the Government’s theory in this case were accepted, then the answers would be yes. After all, if the Government could force Internet service providers to carry unwanted content even absent a showing of market power, then it could do the same to all those other entities as well. There is no principled distinction between this case and those hypothetical cases...

...Absent a showing of market power, the Government may not tell Internet service providers how to exercise their editorial discretion about what content to carry or favor any more than the Government can tell Amazon or Politics & Prose what books to promote; or tell The Washington Post or the Drudge Report what columns to carry; or tell ESPN or the NFL Network what games to show; or tell How Appealing or Bench Memos what articles to feature; or tell Twitter or YouTube what videos to post; or tell Facebook or Google what content to favor.

-Brett Kavanaugh, 2017. Food for thought.
 
Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are THE platforms. Conservatives don't want a friendly platform, they want an unbiased, fair platform. They want to interact with all people, left and right. Ain't no sense in preachin' to the choir.
So there's proof Twitter only applies its "censorship" messages to conservatives?
 
Dear God there's so much bollocks in that Executive Order. I'm genuinely trying very hard to get through it all, but I keep stopping because it is so insanely frustrating to read.

Sorry Mr. President, but Twitter does have the right to add (or even in some cases, subtract) user content, because they are a private entity that can run things how they want. They do have the right to change their policy without warning as they see fit, because they're a private entity that can run things how they want. And, yes, what you say can absolutely be called out on, because freedom of speech also means that others are free to call you out on misinformation.

However, Twitter doesn't do this, because it's in their financial best interest not to. The one time Twitter decided to actually do something to legitimize themselves, they lost 20% of their stock. I'm pretty confident in saying that Twitter does not want to censor the president, which is why they didn't. In fact, if they truly did want to censor him, they'd probably have just removed the tweet altogether. Yet, it's still on their site, and is just as inflammatory and dangerously divisive as a healthy number of other tweets on The President's account.

This is actually some dictator 🤬 here. Trump only cares about freedom of speech when it benefits him, and Twitter decided to fact check something for once in their lives, because someone probably figured that promoting actual facts would probably be better than letting alternate facts just slip by the wayside. By restricting or revoking Section 230, Trump is actively controlling social media, because he's basically saying "either succumb to my will, or face the consequences." If he gets his way and Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/etc. dies as a result, that's significantly fewer mouths (keys? Monitors? Tablets?) that can argue against him, which can benefit him quite significantly.

Did Twitter do something illegal here? Nope. Did Twitter fully remove or change the actual wording or intended message within the president's tweet? Nope. All they did was give an avenue for readers to educate themselves, and the man lost his 🤬.

Trump genuinely hates the 1st amendment, because it allows people to speak against him, or worse, allows them to think freely and figure out that he's wrong quite often. I have a hard time seeing any other remotely reasonable explanation.

Twitter. Added. Content. To. His. Content.

That's not bloody censorship! That's Twitter attempting to make sure that their viewership can make better informed decisions.

Social media companies (particularly Facebook) have been getting heat for years (and rightfully so, imo) about letting false information get through their net and not doing something to curtail it. Now when a platform decides to do something about it, they get mad heat for it, espescially when people hate media in general for spreading "fake news?" Sorry, but that's some bull:censored:.

Please explain to me why our president, the leader of arguably the most powerful nation in the world, a leader who everything they do (or don't) say can have long-lasting effects across the globe for literal decades, shouldn't be under extreme scrutiny for what he says on a public forum?



Uh....might wanna consider the phrasing there.


Screams and swears incessantly and (mostly) internally.

The president just called an elected member of Public office a "Radical Leftist" and threatened the possibility of ordering the military to fire on American citizens. I'm not gonna defend looting in the slightest, and I think the looters should face justice, but I honestly don't see how people can defend such a genuinely dangerous human being.
 
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Dear God there's so much bollocks in that Executive Order. I'm genuinely trying very hard to get through it all, but I keep stopping because it is so insanely frustrating to read.

Sorry Mr. President, but Twitter does have the right to add (or even in some cases, subtract) user content, because they are a private entity that can run things how they want. They do have the right to change their policy without warning as they see fit, because they're a private entity that can run things how they want. And, yes, what you say can absolutely be called out on, because freedom of speech also means that others are free to call you out on misinformation.

However, Twitter doesn't do this, because it's in their financial best interest not to. The one time Twitter decided to actually do something to legitimize themselves, they lost 20% of their stock. I'm pretty confident in saying that Twitter does not want to censor the president, which is why they didn't. In fact, if they truly did want to censor him, they'd probably have just removed the tweet altogether. Yet, it's still on their site, and is just as inflammatory and dangerously divisive as a healthy number of other tweets on The President's account.

This is actually some dictator 🤬 here. Trump only cares about freedom of speech when it benefits him, and Twitter decided to fact check something for once in their lives, because someone probably figured that promoting actual facts would probably be better than letting alternate facts just slip by the wayside. By restricting or revoking Section 230, Trump is actively controlling social media, because he's basically saying "either succumb to my will, or face the consequences." If he gets his way and Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/etc. dies as a result, that's significantly fewer mouths (keys? Monitors? Tablets?) that can argue against him, which can benefit him quite significantly.

Did Twitter do something illegal here? Nope. Did Twitter fully remove or change the actual wording or intended message within the president's tweet? Nope. All they did was give an avenue for readers to educate themselves, and the man lost his 🤬.

Trump genuinely hates the 1st amendment, because it allows people to speak against him, or worse, allows them to think freely and figure out that he's wrong quite often. I have a hard time seeing any other remotely reasonable explanation.



That's not bloody censorship! That's Twitter attempting to make sure that their viewership can make better informed decisions.

Social media companies (particularly Facebook) have been getting heat for years (and rightfully so, imo) about letting false information get through their net and not doing something to curtail it. Now when a platform decides to do something about it, they get mad heat for it, espescially when people hate media in general for spreading "fake news?" Sorry, but that's some bull:censored:.

Please explain to me why our president, the leader of arguably the most powerful nation in the world, a leader who everything they do (or don't) say can have long-lasting effects across the globe for literal decades, shouldn't be under extreme scrutiny for what he says on a public forum?



Screams and swears incessantly and (mostly) internally.

The president just called an elected member of Public office a "Radical Leftist" and threatened the possibility of ordering the military to fire on American citizens. I'm not gonna defend looting in the slightest, and I think the looters should face justice, but I honestly don't see how people can defend such a genuinely dangerous human being.
When the looting starts, the shooting starts.

Good lord :nervous:. This has so much potential to get so much worse.
 
When the looting starts, the shooting starts.

Good lord :nervous:. This has so much potential to get so much worse.
Wouldn't be surprised if these guys are on the way there as we speak, saying, 'Donny said we could shoot!'

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Any news on what happened to the CNN reporter?

 
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Yeah, that's way too overboard. I think this time around, most people protesting George's death have condemned & distanced themselves from the looters openly & loudly. There's already multiple videos of people arming themselves against looters, though the most famous is the 2 white & 2 darker skin guys protecting a tobacco shop.


The shop was reportedly looted after they left, unfortunately.
 
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