America - The Official Thread

[Danoff]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...ycott-home-depot-over-silence-voting-n1264674

Looks like both sides are boycotting companies over Georgia's voting laws. If you're a company, good luck not ticking someone off.

 

[TB]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...ycott-home-depot-over-silence-voting-n1264674

Looks like both sides are boycotting companies over Georgia's voting laws. If you're a company, good luck not ticking someone off.

Clergy members mad at a hardware store over voters rights. What an odd combination.

 

[Dotini]

IMHO, the leaders of both Russia and China regard Biden as a sick weakling, and are both going to do everything they can to take advantage of that while it lasts. That means Russia will make a grab for Ukraine and China will make a grab for Taiwan, while the US and allies will do little or nothing by comparison. I'm pretty confident nuclear weapons can and will play no role.

 

[TexRex]

I feel like the most extreme argument that should actually be given credence is that the current policing systems are so broken that they should be abolished and replacement structures built from the ground up. And even that is not "take away their money and then ignore it".

If there are people saying that, it's because they feel so hurt by the current systems that they just want to see it burn to the ground. And honestly, there's probably a fair amount of people who could understandably feel that way and it would be hard to hold it against them. The current police system has done so much damage to so many people that it's only fair to allow those people some room to vent, while calmly accepting that those extreme emotionally driven cries for action aren't actually going to be part of the solution. Good government is calm and considered, not made in the heat of the moment.

This is just...

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[Joey D]

IMHO, the leaders of both Russia and China regard Biden as a sick weakling, and are both going to do everything they can to take advantage of that while it lasts. That means Russia will make a grab for Ukraine and China will make a grab for Taiwan, while the US and allies will do little or nothing by comparison. I'm pretty confident nuclear weapons can and will play no role.

I mean Russia can try to make a grab at Ukraine, but NATO isn't going to allow that. It's also clear that Turkey has had about enough of Russia's BS. China would have an easier time with Taiwan, but the easiest way to bring China to its knees would be through massive economic sanctions. Also, the other countries in the region would not be too thrilled about a China land grab like that. Apparently, even Vietnam has had about enough of China's BS and it's not like they aren't acutely aware of how to win a war against a major world superpower.

 

[ryzno]

I mean Russia can try to make a grab at Ukraine, but NATO isn't going to allow that. It's also clear that Turkey has had about enough of Russia's BS. China would have an easier time with Taiwan, but the easiest way to bring China to its knees would be through massive economic sanctions. Also, the other countries in the region would not be too thrilled about a China land grab like that. Apparently, even Vietnam has had about enough of China's BS and it's not like they aren't acutely aware of how to win a war against a major world superpower.

China has its jungles too.

 

[UKMikey]

Wait, I thought he was supposed to be a rabid warmonger...

 

[Imari]

Florida ‘Anti-Rioting’ Law Will Make It Much Easier To Run Over Protesters With Cars

What the actual 🤬.

I mean Russia can try to make a grab at Ukraine, but NATO isn't going to allow that.

You reckon? They didn't do much about Crimea. NATO isn't the US, they don't play World Police, at least not to the same extent. They might step in, or they might assess that it would be better for everyone involved including the Ukrainians to not kick off what could well turn into World War 3.

 

[eran0004]

Florida ‘Anti-Rioting’ Law Will Make It Much Easier To Run Over Protesters With Cars

A gathering of three people is considered a riot? That means Mozart’s divertimento for two clarinets and a bassoon is now technically a riot in the state of Florida.

 

[PeterJB]

A gathering of three people is considered a riot? That means Mozart’s divertimento for two clarinets and a bassoon is now technically a riot in the state of Florida.

Well the bassoon does kind of look like a bazooka so you could be fooled...

 

[Lain]

Florida ‘Anti-Rioting’ Law Will Make It Much Easier To Run Over Protesters With Cars

Grand Theft Auto VI will just be a plane ticket to Florida.

 

[TenEightyOne]

A gathering of three people is considered a riot? That means Mozart’s divertimento for two clarinets and a bassoon is now technically a riot in the state of Florida.

Ein Kristallnachtmusik should still be okay though.

 

[Liquid]

Ein Kristallnachtmusik should still be okay though.

Eine. Sorry. Good joke though.

 

[Famine]

That story being that he had "Dan White society" in his college yearbook bio (Dan White being the politician who murdered Harvey Milk and SF city mayor George Moscone), which he also seems to be trying to play off as "something naughty" he did as an actual 19-year old adult human male.

Also he describes his show as a "news show", which I'm pretty sure destroys the defence he and Fox made in the defamation lawsuit last year...

 

[Liquid]

A thoroughly unpleasant human being.

 

[TexRex]

Grand Theft Auto VI will just be a plane ticket to Florida.

"That place makes Hitler's anus look like Waikiki."

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[Eunos_Cosmo]

That story being that he had "Dan White society" in his college yearbook bio (Dan White being the politician who murdered Harvey Milk and SF city mayor George Moscone), which he also seems to be trying to play off as "something naughty" he did as an actual 19-year old adult human male.

Also he describes his show as a "news show", which I'm pretty sure destroys the defence he and Fox made in the defamation lawsuit last year...

And to make the point blindingly clear, Dan White was a "conservative" (relatively speaking) man who felt particularly aggrieved by actions of Harvey Milk, the first openly gay elected official in California history, and saw himself as "defender of the home, the family and religious life against homosexuals, pot smokers and cynics." That is to say...pretty on brand for Tucker.

 

[Joey D]

"Restore the society we were born in".

More low-key white supremacy talk. I fully expect Tucker to become unhinged this year; his tone is getting more & more aggressive.

Edit* Probably best for us to talk/respond to this in the America thread. I know this thread does better sticking strictly to Covid info/advice.

Taking @McLaren advice about this since it probably does work better here.

But let's see, Tucker Boy wants me to return to the society I was born in? Well, I was born in the '80s so I guess swap COVID with an AIDS epidemic while mixing in supercars you can't see out of, Duran Duran, big hair, lots of neon, an overinflated Wall St, along with lots and lots of pure Columbian cocaine....you know what, given the state of the US in 2021, I'd take it.

The society Tucker was born into though? Well, he was born in 1969 in San Francisco, so I take it he just wants it to be the Summer of Love again?

 

[Dotini]

Taking @McLaren advice about this since it probably does work better here.

But let's see, Tucker Boy wants me to return to the society I was born in? Well, I was born in the '80s so I guess swap COVID with an AIDS epidemic while mixing in supercars you can't see out of, Duran Duran, big hair, lots of neon, an overinflated Wall St, along with lots and lots of pure Columbian cocaine....you know what, given the state of the US in 2021, I'd take it.

The society Tucker was born into though? Well, he was born in 1969 in San Francisco, so I take it he just wants it to be the Summer of Love again?

I saw his show (in part) today for the first time in about a year. Yes, he was over the top in terms of ringing the alarm bell about federal law and federal police subsuming local authority, amongst other conservative motifs. He was particularly vociferous about the beloved national doctor, Anthony Fauci, being unelected and having too much authority over our lives. There may be vague suggestions about that he should get involved in elective politics. He is big on appealing to the principle of traditional American freedoms. Personally, as a practical matter, I don't need more freedoms. If we need to turn the US into a federal police state in order to get justice standardized nationally, I would not stand in the way because I'm too old and weak. It's up to the youth to seize the moment and take what they really want.

 

[Joey D]

It's up to the youth to seize the moment and take what they really want.

Except Republicans are going out of their way to make sure the youth can't do this, even more so if you happen to be young and black.

 

[Danoff]

Except Republicans are going out of their way to make sure the youth can't do this, even more so if you happen to be young and black.

@Dotini means it's up to the powerful to seize the moment that take what they want, because it's the lens through which he sees the world. He apparently sees himself as too old to be powerful. So the republicans are seizing the moment and taking what they really want. And it's up to others to stop them or cope. Even the use of the word "take" suggests multiple fallacies about how society works. The way the statement is framed automatically (incorrectly) pits one group against another, encourages conflict and assumes injustice. It's all very "Game of Thrones".

Note the way he assumes that he does not have a say because he is "too old and weak". It either directly suggests that strength (youth, the ability to swing a sword or hammer) actually matters today, or it metaphorically suggests that power is all that matters. "Too old" would imply that it is literal strength he's getting at which... I mean... that's centuries out of date.

 

[Dotini]

Except Republicans are going out of their way to make sure the youth can't do this, even more so if you happen to be young and black.

Yes. And now the Republicans are out of power and on the back foot. It would be unconscionable not to take advantage of the situation as much as possible. Attack on all fronts. Add new states. Pack the courts.

 

[Danoff]

It would unconscionable not to take advantage of the situation as much as possible. Attack on all fronts.

Your worldview in a nutshell.

 

[Dotini]

Your worldview in a nutshell.

Yes, but focus on the key points: adding new states, packing the courts. These will yield gains lasting years, maybe generations. There is no time to waste.

 

[Danoff]

Yes, but focus on the key points

I am focusing on the key point - a complete absence of the understanding of moral implications of policy.

 

[Dotini]

I am focusing on the key point - a complete absence of the understanding of moral implications of policy.

Are you Tucker Carlson?

 

[Danoff]

Are you Tucker Carlson?

 

[UKMikey]

I missed this story last month but it appears to have resurfaced like Jason Voorhees at the end of Friday The 13th:

Ohio lawmaker wants to rename Mosquito Lake State Park in honor of Donald Trump

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- An Ohio lawmaker is itching to rename a state park in his district in honor of former President Donald Trump.

State Rep. Mike Loychik, a Republican from Trumbull County who was elected in November, told colleagues on Friday that he plans to introduce legislation renaming Mosquito Lake State Park in Cortland as Donald J. Trump State Park.

“This bill will help to honor the hard work that President Trump did for Ohio and the Nation while he was in the White House as the 45th of the United States,” Loychik wrote in a memo seeking co-sponsors for his planned legislation. He gave a deadline of next Friday, March 19.

An aide said Loychik was not immediately available for an interview.

Mosquito Lake State Park is more than 7,000 acres and features camping sites and boating and an adjacent wildlife area, according to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Mosquito Lake was formed after the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers dammed Mosquito Creek in 1944. The state took over the site in 1946. Mosquito Lake is one of the largest lakes in Ohio, according to the City of Cortland.

In an email, Stephanie O’Grady, an ODNR spokeswoman, said Mosquito Lake’s name has “withstood the test of time.” She said the park “has become one of Ohio’s best state parks, best fishing lakes, and has one of Ohio’s most important wildlife refuges.”

Democratic House members were quick to try to swat down the renaming proposal.

“Ohioans are struggling with an addiction crisis, economic disruption, and a pandemic that the other guy said would disappear just like magic,” state Rep. Richard Brown of Canal Winchester wrote on Twitter.

“Instead of addressing these pressing issues, Ohio House Republicans are spending their time flattering the Insurrectionist in Chief.”

Loychik is not the first Republican state lawmaker to propose a renaming bill honoring Trump. State Reps. Reggie Stoltzfus and Jon Cross introduced a bill last month that would declare June 14 as “President Donald J. Trump Day” in Ohio. June 14 is Flag Day, as well as Trump’s birthday. The bill, which has 11 Republican co-sponsors, including Loychik, has been referred to committee but has yet to receive a hearing.

Guess it stands to reason as both Trump and mosquitoes are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people via infection.

A brave Hubbard woman is fighting the name change via a petition on change.org.

 

[TexRex]

I missed this story last month but it appears to have resurfaced like Jason Voorhees at the end of Friday The 13th:

Ohio lawmaker wants to rename Mosquito Lake State Park in honor of Donald Trump



Guess it stands to reason as both Trump and mosquitoes are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people via infection.

A brave Hubbard woman is fighting the name change via a petition on change.org.

"STOP ERASING OUR HISTORY!"

 

[UKMikey]

Something else mozzies and Donald have in common: people in their vicinity usually end up being stung frequently.