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You're asking me?
Nope, I wrote the post wrong. I can understand safety and quality regulations or things along the line but forcing another nation company to decide to copy "American values" is just frustrating to hear. This administration is just really frustrating but I often compare it to when we elected President Obama. But I have to give it a chance..sadly
 
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Ok, everyone can stop buying **** and crash the real economy even worse.
Employment is slavery. Consumerism is oppression. You will live in a cube. You will eat the bugs.

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Tariffs -> people don’t buy -> companies don’t make money -> people get laid off -> repeat loop from step 2 -> profit???

I guess if you’re rich enough to buy all the cheap stocks and housing yeah. Doubt that’s the case for majority of magats though.
 
Tariffs -> people don’t buy -> companies don’t make money -> people get laid off -> repeat loop from step 2 -> profit???

I guess if you’re rich enough to buy all the cheap stocks and housing yeah. Doubt that’s the case for majority of magats though.
I guess tariffs could work if you have a healthy, fully domestic industry (including their full supply chain) that is able to handle the demand of the entire country.

But I doubt any such industry still exists in any country nowadays.
 
This is so extremely dumb. Even if the average MAGA-idiot would lose their job, lose their home and couldn’t afford buying food as a result of the tariffs, I am 100% sure they will still support Trump with their lives.
Trump will of course just claim that America has never been better. And all the f-tards will just happily bend over and take it.
 
This is so extremely dumb. Even if the average MAGA-idiot would lose their job, lose their home and couldn’t afford buying food as a result of the tariffs, I am 100% sure they will still support Trump with their lives.
Trump will of course just claim that America has never been better. And all the f-tards will just happily bend over and take it.
There is examples of old Maga votes switch sides because they lose their jobs.
 
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This is so extremely dumb. Even if the average MAGA-idiot would lose their job, lose their home and couldn’t afford buying food as a result of the tariffs, I am 100% sure they will still support Trump with their lives.
Trump will of course just claim that America has never been better. And all the f-tards will just happily bend over and take it.
They'll also be dead from polio or measles.
 
Tariffs -> people don’t buy -> companies don’t make money -> people get laid off -> repeat loop from step 2 -> profit???

I guess if you’re rich enough to buy all the cheap stocks and housing yeah. Doubt that’s the case for majority of magats though.
Tariffs are working great! If I go to my local grocery store (which is a Canada wide chain), they've pulled the majority of American made products off of the shelves, forcing me to buy Canadian. Now, Canadian products aren't always as good as the American alternatives, but being Canadian they are usually somewhat cheaper, so my monthly grocery bills are going down somewhat!
 
Tariffs are working great! If I go to my local grocery store (which is a Canada wide chain), they've pulled the majority of American made products off of the shelves, forcing me to buy Canadian. Now, Canadian products aren't always as good as the American alternatives, but being Canadian they are usually somewhat cheaper, so my monthly grocery bills are going down somewhat!
Enjoy a bag of milk.
 
Guys, stop panicking. This is a negotiation tactic. It's about time the penguins start paying their fair share.

I'm sure some penguins are good creatures. But they aren't sending their best, they've got some bad hombres amongst them
 
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I guess tariffs could work if you have a healthy, fully domestic industry (including their full supply chain) that is able to handle the demand of the entire country.

But I doubt any such industry still exists in any country nowadays.
Of course not. Trump's argument to his cult is that all the companies will move their facilities here & give Americans jobs. But, that doesn't factor in that that takes 2-4 years minimum depending on the size & that materials to produce whatever products still require foreign sources.

The more detailed argument is that Trump will offer kick backs/backroom handshakes to provide exemptions as part of his "negotiating" tactic. However, this also doesn't guarantee anything b/c during his first term, there was a company that did this. They were moving manufacturing & claiming they would be providing 30,000 jobs. IIRC, it wasn't even 2,000 jobs actually filled & most of the people got laid off anyway.

But, Trump won't care. He uses the company moving here as good PR and then prefers you never hear about it again.
James O'Brien on Trump again. Do you have anyone in the US who speaks out against the idiot?


Only politicians who are at the end of the careers and not running for office, so there's no fear of the voting base.
 
I think it is the worst combination of those 3 options.

Trump has no idea, acts on impulse, and ignores any rational advice in a desperate attempt to tell him to stop this madnes he started, because he is the self proclaimed king and yet has to be wrong on anything he touches.
Trump himself may have no idea, but I don't doubt that there are people around him that are intelligent enough. They want this to happen, it's not a mistake. They're fine with Trump and Musk being the guys out in front that will take the heat if it all goes wrong.

We all know people like Trump and Musk don't get where they are on merit. They have tons and tons of people working for them who are all at least okay with the general direction in which they want to go. Some of those people have to be non-morons, or nothing would ever get done. Those are the people that are functionally choosing the long term direction.

In 20 years or so there will probably be an expose about who were the Trump Whisperers.
Why? It's a European owned company...
Because the US is a big enough customer that they think they can bully the rest of the world into compliance. And to a certain extent they're right, they hold a lot of potential power and it would be very uncomfortable for all involved if they were to choose to use it.
Tariffs -> people don’t buy -> companies don’t make money -> people get laid off -> repeat loop from step 2 -> profit???

I guess if you’re rich enough to buy all the cheap stocks and housing yeah. Doubt that’s the case for majority of magats though.
That's the point though. Rich people profit in times of turmoil and instability, because they have the ability to speculate and quickly take advantage of opportunities. Poor people struggle even harder to get by.

It's a tactic to accelerate wealth inequality far beyond the ridiculous levels it's already at.
That's mostly Ontario and Quebec, the other provinces haven't quite figured out this delicacy yet.
Y'all put milk in your goon bags? But where do you put your goon?
 
Pathetic bitch. Pathetic propaganda arm. Pathetic base.

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Trump's argument to his cult is that all the companies will move their facilities here & give Americans jobs. But, that doesn't factor in that that takes 2-4 years minimum depending on the size & that materials to produce whatever products still require foreign sources.
Also the jobs making those goods won't pay well, the goods won't be inexpensive, and people making them will neither be able to afford them nor have access to inexpensive goods that they can afford.
Only politicians who are at the end of the careers and not running for office, so there's no fear of the voting base.
There's still the death threats from worthless Trumpers (but I repeat myself).
 
Also the jobs making those goods won't pay well, the goods won't be inexpensive, and people making them will neither be able to afford them nor have access to inexpensive goods that they can afford.
According to Nutlick the jobs will be in construction and the factories will be mainly run with robotics to keep the prices down.

So no on going low paying jobs and no hope for the little guy.
 
According to Nutlick the jobs will be in construction and the factories will be mainly run with robotics to keep the prices down.

So no on going low paying jobs and no hope for the little guy.
That's really the point: globalization provided the opportunity to produce manufactured goods much more cheaply than they would have been without manufacturing shifting to Asia. This benefited the owner class the most, but it also benefited everyone else who was able to buy clothes, electronics and everything else more cheaply. Introducing tariffs will make everything imported more expensive and any manufacturing that returns to the US will result in higher prices for the US produced goods. US business owners will try to drive worker pay down, or further automate, with the result that the net benefit to American workers will be minimal.
 
I guess tariffs could work if you have a healthy, fully domestic industry (including their full supply chain) that is able to handle the demand of the entire country.

But I doubt any such industry still exists in any country nowadays.
Depends on what you mean by "could work". If the domestic industry is able to compete with imported products then there's no need for any tariffs. If it's unable to compete, then it's either more expensive and/or of a worse quality. Demand is going to drop in any case, fewer products will be sold and businesses will go out of business.

The price of raw materials needed by the industry will certainly increase, because although there is a chance that a country the size of USA might be able to find all the raw materials it needs on its own territory (which at this time does not include Greenland...), it's pretty much guaranteed that it won't have enough quantities of everything to satisfy the demand. And then there's the things you have an overabundance of. If you're no longer able to export those because of the tariffs then a lot of those factories are going to have to close.

So it "could work" in the sense that you "could survive" throwing yourself under the bus. The only thing that's certain is that it's going to be extremely painful and not at all good for you.
 
Huh. When things get too expensive, you can just not buy them and so you should shut up about the policy that made them more expensive? That's so enlightened.

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So, uh, where was that attitude when it cost a crazy $125 including tax and tip to have two bloomin' onions, a steak salad, lobster tails, a filet, a chicken sandwich and a sirloin DoorDashed because of Bidenflation?

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God I used to watch him back during late teens, rebel phase and was into right wing politics.

If I never grew out of that phase, I'd probably be on here spouting the same nonsense and defending him on this take on Tariffs :lol:
 
Depends on what you mean by "could work". If the domestic industry is able to compete with imported products then there's no need for any tariffs. If it's unable to compete, then it's either more expensive and/or of a worse quality. Demand is going to drop in any case, fewer products will be sold and businesses will go out of business.

The price of raw materials needed by the industry will certainly increase, because although there is a chance that a country the size of USA might be able to find all the raw materials it needs on its own territory (which at this time does not include Greenland...), it's pretty much guaranteed that it won't have enough quantities of everything to satisfy the demand. And then there's the things you have an overabundance of. If you're no longer able to export those because of the tariffs then a lot of those factories are going to have to close.

So it "could work" in the sense that you "could survive" throwing yourself under the bus. The only thing that's certain is that it's going to be extremely painful and not at all good for you.
I meant it as a 'could work in a hypothetical world that isn't our world'. The assumptions required for it to work were maybe true a few hundred years ago (it won't have been true anymore by the time that the US was formed). Industrialization and globalization made it impossible to work (at least effectively without major drawbacks).

You are definitely right that even if these assumptions were true, if the domestic industry can compete it shouldn't be necessary. You could consider in that case though that it can be used as a way to eliminate the competition, if the quality/cost difference is small enough. But that also isn't the case nowadays.

Tldr: Tariffs are stupid.
 
A little somthing from “The Last Leg” show in the UK.

Added to a spoiler due to sweary content.

 
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The list of internet top level domains (TLDs) is based on the standard ISO list of countries. This list also includes some territories. So I think they used the ISO list and not the TLD list. That's at least a bit more reasonable.

They still didn't do the actual reasonable thing though, of looking at existing trade agreements with other countries.
 
The list of internet top level domains (TLDs) is based on the standard ISO list of countries. This list also includes some territories. So I think they used the ISO list and not the TLD list. That's at least a bit more reasonable.

They still didn't do the actual reasonable thing though, of looking at existing trade agreements with other countries.
They most likely used a random list of geographic entities. I am almost positive Trump and any of his dimwits never heard of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, a small collection of islands part of France just off the coast of Newfoundland. It has a population of 5,000 and barely imported anything from America (while exports totaled $100K). As a result, the tariffs are 50%. If people's lives weren't affected by this it would be ridiculously funny how an administration can be this stupid (2 weeks after broadcasting military plans to a journalist). Until enough people in the House and Congress stand up to this (and it really will only take 10 people in the House and 5 people in Congress), this will keep happening.

I will add that some of the tariffs seem to be based on some sort of AI query. Good to know that our president possibly hallucinates.
 
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