America - The Official Thread

[GBO Possum]

It really bugs me that the news is covering the stories about american citizen children (babies) staying with their mothers who are being deported as the citizens being deported. There may be a time to cry havoc about that in the near future, but it's not in this case. As far as I know (please correct me if you know something else), none of those children are actually being deported. They're staying with mothers who are deported, but the children are allowed to return to the US. That's not a deportation, that's remaining in custody of someone who is deported. And that's honestly probably how it ought to be.

The chicken little routine is so played out at this point. How have they not learned? People will ignore it when us citizens start actually getting deported because it started out false.

"Two U.S. citizens, ages 4 and 7, were sent to Honduras last week with their mother, who was deported, the family’s lawyer said.

Lawyers said the mother was not given an option to leave her children in the United States.

The 4-year-old, a boy, has a rare form of cancer and had no access to his medications or his doctors while in custody, the lawyers said."


Source:- https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/04/28/us/trump-news

 

[Danoff]

Lawyers said the mother was not given an option to leave her children in the United States.

This sounds to me like instructions not to separate parents from children (after the last debacle). As far as I know, that kid can legally return to the US if they can find custody. That kid has not been deported. Processing a cancer patient in a way that separates them from their medication is a separate issue from a citizen being deported, and it should be reported on in that way.

 

[TheHun99]

I'm curious when the current administration starts to crack down on naturalized citizens, especially if they voiced their disapproval on the 1/6 event on Twitter when they still had a Twitter account. Or when they start to go after US-born US citizens who were born to legal aliens having valid visa at the time of the child's birth. I let you guys know from the El Salvador prison when that happens. And of course, no one will give a damn about it. From my perspective Trump committed treason and acts agains the constitution every single day, he should be tried and executed for his crimes. Instead, the whole ****ing country will burn because of him. I mean, he already sells Trump 2028 baseball hats. No one will stand up to go agains him when he starts his run for the 3rd term...

(I heard about the theories of DJT being on Vance's ticket as VP candidate - which is also agains the Constitution as a VP candidate has to be eligible as a presidential candidate and Trump won't be, at least if you're no insane.) The whole world is turning inside out and will fall down crashing...

 

[Darla Starch]

We are well and truly boned if the best the Dems can do is a "strongly worded letter".

Schumer is another one who, alongside Garland, I really have to bite my tongue on and remember the AUP. Literal 🤡 moment from him.

 

[Barra333]

This sounds to me like instructions not to separate parents from children (after the last debacle). As far as I know, that kid can legally return to the US if they can find custody. That kid has not been deported. Processing a cancer patient in a way that separates them from their medication is a separate issue from a citizen being deported, and it should be reported on in that way.

I'd have to find a source, but I think I heard the father of the 2 year old wasn't deported, so there was a custody option.


EDIT for sauce: (the cases they refer to are the 4/7 year olds and the 2 year old)

In the cases of the young children, both families had fathers residing in the U.S. and were unable to make decisions about their children before they were flown to Honduras, Willis added. The National Immigration Project said the women were in incommunicado detention by ICE, making them unreachable by lawyers or family members.

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Legal teams that were able to reach the mothers after their deportations said the women both expressed being given no choice and that they were told their children would come with them, according to Willis.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

This sounds to me like instructions not to separate parents from children (after the last debacle). As far as I know, that kid can legally return to the US if they can find custody. That kid has not been deported. Processing a cancer patient in a way that separates them from their medication is a separate issue from a citizen being deported, and it should be reported on in that way.

I think the pitch is that there was no "meaningful process", as if the administration had looked at the fact that the child/children are US citizens, that one of them is undergoing cancer treatment that they can't continue if they're forced to leave, the administration may have granted a visa or stay of deportation for the mother.

Without any consideration or process, it kind of reads as the US saying "you can't stay and we don't care about your kids, so GTFO" despite having the capability to do something positive for the kids.

It's heartless.

 

[Danoff]

EDIT for sauce: (the cases they refer to are the 4/7 year olds and the 2 year old)

That link is doing everything I'm asking for.

"U.S. citizen children, including 4-year-old with cancer, taken to Honduras on mother's deportation flight, legal advocates say"

That's the headline. The headline is not "U.S. citizen deported". Your NBC source covered it perfectly. (Just FYI, in the 2 year old case the mother allegedly said she wanted to keep the kid with her). The 2 year old case headline from NBC is also just fine:

"U.S. citizen children, including 4-year-old with cancer, taken to Honduras on mother's deportation flight, legal advocates say"

That works. No problems. That's not the same as:

"Three U.S. Citizen Children, Including 4-Year-Old Battling 4th Stage Cancer, Deported to Honduras"

...and a worse headline on Politico:

"Judge says 2-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported with ‘no meaningful process’ "

...which is not what that Judge said.

 

[05XR8]

Good to know Trump feels Hegseth “is gonna get it together.”. Very reassuring.

 

[Barra333]

That link is doing everything I'm asking for.

"U.S. citizen children, including 4-year-old with cancer, taken to Honduras on mother's deportation flight, legal advocates say"

That's the headline. The headline is not "U.S. citizen deported". Your NBC source covered it perfectly. (Just FYI, in the 2 year old case the mother allegedly said she wanted to keep the kid with her). The 2 year old case headline from NBC is also just fine:

"U.S. citizen children, including 4-year-old with cancer, taken to Honduras on mother's deportation flight, legal advocates say"

That works. No problems. That's not the same as:

"Three U.S. Citizen Children, Including 4-Year-Old Battling 4th Stage Cancer, Deported to Honduras"

...and a worse headline on Politico:

"Judge says 2-year-old US citizen appears to have been deported with ‘no meaningful process’ "

...which is not what that Judge said.

Sounds like conflicting accounts with regard to the 2 year old. The mother doesn't sound like she was able to confirm with anyone what could be done with the kid. Absolutely can't blame her for holding onto the child if she wasn't able to have a conversation with the father still free in the US. If they had due process to decide one way or the other where the kid went, it is a non-story.

 

[eran0004]

It really bugs me that the news is covering the stories about american citizen children (babies) staying with their mothers who are being deported as the citizens being deported.

They are de facto deported. Perhaps technically they aren't, but that technicality makes no difference for them.

 

[Danoff]

They are de facto deported. Perhaps technically they aren't, but that technicality makes no difference for them.

Well I think it does. And I think you would think so as well in their shoes. Being deported is not just ending up in another country.

Let's say you come to the US under some kind of visa, and then over-stay your visa and are deported. Your deportation will carry with it a period of time during which you're barred from re-entry to the US. Sometimes that's a lifetime ban. To say that a US citizen has been deported isn't just to say that the US citizen took a plane flight with someone who was deported and ended up in Honduras. It means they can't come back. And that makes a big difference in most cases. Deporting a US citizen means legally barring them from re-entry. It's not a thing, currently. As far as I know, a US citizen has never been deported and there is no mechanism for doing so. What these news outlets are doing is accidentally claiming that an event that has never occurred before and can't occur (but which Trump would like to be able to do) has happened when it in fact has not. You will find references that say that US citizens have been mistakenly deported, or that these kids were deported, but deportation carries with it a ban from re-entry, which means unless those US citizens were barred from re-entry, a mistaken deportation isn't really a deportation.

Admittedly, it probably makes little difference if you have stage 4 cancer.

 

[FuriousDemon]

I honestly don’t care what they put in the headlines as long as it makes trump look bad. People already don’t have mental capacity to understand anything anyway as we learned. The red cult will say anything is fake news anyway, so no need to be perfectly accurate. Gotta play by the rules of the game and just make up as big of a headline as you can and hope to catch some strays. Just reporting facts seems to be not enough to move the needle these days.

 

[Danoff]

I honestly don’t care what they put in the headlines as long as it makes trump look bad. People already don’t have mental capacity to understand anything anyway as we learned. The red cult will say anything is fake news anyway, so no need to be perfectly accurate. Gotta play by the rules of the game and just make up as big of a headline as you can and hope to catch some strays. Just reporting facts seems to be not enough to move the needle these days.

Reporting something false like this is just chicken little numbing the masses to when the sky actually does fall (which doesn't seem that far off).

 

[eran0004]

To say that a US citizen has been deported isn't just to say that the US citizen took a plane flight with someone who was deported and ended up in Honduras. It means they can't come back. And that makes a big difference in most cases. Deporting a US citizen means legally barring them from re-entry. It's not a thing, currently.

Being forced to leave the country as a young child because your mother was deported is not exactly "taking a flight with someone who was deported". It's not technically a deportation, but the consequences are pretty much the same. Sure, they can probably go back to the US some day when they are old enough to take care of themselves, but by then the US will be a foreign country to them.

 

[Danoff]

Being forced to leave the country as a young child because your mother was deported is not exactly "taking a flight with someone who was deported". It's not technically a deportation, but the consequences are pretty much the same. Sure, they can probably go back to the US some day when they are old enough to take care of themselves, but by then the US will be a foreign country to them.

It won't necessarily be as an adult. They can arrange custody before then. I think you're being quite flippant with the notion of a ban from the country.

 

[Blitz24]

I honestly don’t care what they put in the headlines as long as it makes trump look bad. People already don’t have mental capacity to understand anything anyway as we learned. The red cult will say anything is fake news anyway, so no need to be perfectly accurate. Gotta play by the rules of the game and just make up as big of a headline as you can and hope to catch some strays. Just reporting facts seems to be not enough to move the needle these days.

No major news outlet would be brazen enough to put in something that skews too far away from what Trump did. Trump and his lackeys (Carr and Martin) will go after them.

 

[Famine]

They are de facto deported. Perhaps technically they aren't, but that technicality makes no difference for them.

The difference is important for reporting (and historical) purposes; if journalists are calling something by a name that it isn't - especially when that name has a specific de jure meaning - then it becomes incredibly easy for people on one side to call them out for being FAKE NEWS MEDIA and on the other to get confused and rage-exhaustion over something they thought had already happened.

A citizen-by-birth kid being forced to stay with a mother who was deported (removed from the country and banned from returning, even if that ban has an expiry date on it) is not the same as a citizen-by-birth kid being deported, and responsible journalists shouldn't be mixing the two things up.

That's the point here.

And yeah, people should absolutely be allowed to get angry at the situation - especially when the kid involved needs [something life-saving] and that's interrupted by it - but it should be the right situation, and not something else being confused for it.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I think we're a little bit past the need for this level of pedantry in reporting, you're not dealing with people that care about facts on any level.

The USA is deporting these people after picking them up at scheduled meetings attended in good faith by people trying to do the right thing - what they get, is their constitutional rights ignored and no time to make a decision on the fate of their kids because they're not getting due process. Facts don't matter to the government.. dissuade migrants, drive them out of legal channels, then persecute them... the American people will cheer, because it's soo good... such a good plan, to get rid of these terrible people that Biden let in.

 

[FPV MIC]

Seems as though the mother was told the 2 year old will be deported with her and told to write the letter stating the child will come with her, and ICE has retained the child's passport.

 

[Danoff]

I think we're a little bit past the need for this level of pedantry in reporting, you're not dealing with people that care about facts on any level.

This is not pedantry, it's legal accuracy, and it's significant for all involved.

 

[eran0004]

I think you're being quite flippant with the notion of a ban from the country.

You make it sound like the children are going on a vacation abroad.

They were forced out of the country together with their mothers, who reportedly were given no opportunity to leave them in the US. One child has stage 4 cancer and was undergoing medical treatment, it's highly unlikely that the mother would choose to stop the treatment so that she could take the child with her.

De jure it's the mothers that were deported. De facto the children were deported as well.