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No, not political-related.

So, here's a demonstration of the seriousness and importance of our warfighters' tasks in the Middle East!

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Omg I've known this has been a useless war from the beginning, their taking so long to find the damn terrorists. America is so proud of its military technology and how advance it is, but they still can't find a handful of people that are still years behind techwise. They've had wrestling matches in irag for godsakes, it seems your money is going towards the solidiers entertainment too.
 
I don't want to get into politics over the war here, but I will say that, with how fxcked up things are for the soldiers over there, it's not at all surprising that they'd be doing the crazy stunts and jokes that they've been pulling. (My favorite was blowing up a washing machine with a hand grenade...)
 
That video of the solidiers running over a Iraqis car with a tank....and then to add insult to injury they shot his tires out with a hand gun. But I feel for those guys too, I understand that they can't take their troops out of Iraq in fearing that it may allow the terrorists to gain to much freedom. But they gotta hurry the hell up, cause their troops are getting their asses kicked for no good reason.
 
the_undrtaker89
Omg I've known this has been a useless war from the beginning, their taking so long to find the damn terrorists. America is so proud of its military technology and how advance it is, but they still can't find a handful of people that are still years behind techwise. They've had wrestling matches in irag for godsakes, it seems your money is going towards the solidiers entertainment too.
No, more insurgents keep coming into Iraq. Basically, we're fighting the worlds Islamic militants in Iraq. They're coming in from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. We can find them, and kill them, no problem. But, they keep flooding in.
 
Solid Lifters
No, more insurgents keep coming into Iraq. Basically, we're fighting the worlds Islamic militants in Iraq. They're coming in from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. We can find them, and kill them, no problem. But, they keep flooding in.

Actually, that's not so true. Most of what we're against in Iraq is Iraqis. They're getting more and more pissed at us being there and ruining their lives, and they're starting to rise up, in ever-larger numbers.
 
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Shouldn't you guys have a task force working on eliminating the training camps then?
How can we go after all of them? Huh? Are we to know were all of them are? We know were some are, but we can't do anything about it. We can't just start dropping bombs in all countries in the Middle East we know that have training camps, now can we? But, I wish we could.

This is a war with all the Islamic militants of the world. What were doing in Iraq is taking them down, one at a time, in a slow and deadly process. But, that's our only option at the moment. If we could go in to Pakistan, we can get a lot more done. But, that ain't an option either.
 
Takumi Fujiwara
Actually, that's not so true. Most of what we're against in Iraq is Iraqis. They're getting more and more pissed at us being there and ruining their lives, and they're starting to rise up, in ever-larger numbers.
Nope, not all the people were fighting are Iraqis. That's not at all true.
 
The american troops will be in the middle of a civil war soon, and this, is not there task.

I say bring them back and leave Iraq on it's own.

By the way, what is so funny about the pic?
 
I think it's time for America to get a change in leadership, I think it's just unforunate that in the last election there wasn't any good canididates. They got to get out of Iraq, and regroup for another plan.
 
A bunch of guys get together after a hard days work of getting shot at and shootin ' up some stuff and it has to have a greater meaning ? Get over yourself .
 
Div is back
The american troops will be in the middle of a civil war soon, and this, is not there task.

I say bring them back and leave Iraq on it's own.

What civil war? Show me it, who's going to start it? You know, the worse thing we can do is leave Iraq. Those who say we should leave never understood the war in the first place.

By the way, what is so funny about the pic?

Obviously, Takumi wanted to start a flame war. I think it's one of the best pictures ever.👍 It's great to see our soldiers having just one bit of fun over in Iraq.
 
No, if the US pulls out now, the insurgents can destabilize the area. The Iraqi millitary isn't ready for action like that, yet. I don't think there will be a civil war. Just some occasional bombings, and such, once we've elliminated enough insurgents. Iraquis can handle if from there.
 
I agree with you on the pic, what is so bad about it? I just see soldiers trying to have fun while being in the middle of a war, you'd rather like to see dead american bodies?
 
the_undrtaker89
We can't now right....because then we would be giving into the terrorists demands right. ......and we wouldn't that...
Demands of the terrorists is inconsequential. We need to concentrate only on our goals. Screw the demands of the terrorists.
 
Solid Lifters
Demands of the terrorists is inconsequential. We need to concentrate only on our goals. Screw the demands of the terrorists.

Yeah, it's not like they're sending suicide bombers at us right?
This is a complicated situation the world is in, and of coarse the governments are most likely keeping essential information from the citizens, like they always are. And you can count on everything they're saying isn't true.

So far approx. 1968 "Allies" have lost their lives in this "war". I don't have numbers of how many "Iraqi terrorists" have been killed or captured, because it seems barely anyone puts that info on the web.

Cost of war (I'm not sure if this site is accurate but I just thought I should post it)
 
the_undrtaker89
Yeah, it's not like they're sending suicide bombers at us right?
Forgot about September 11th? They already did. This war in Iraq is part of that payback.


This is a complicated situation the world is in...
Not really. They want us dead, and act upon what they want. So, we need to kill them first. It's not that hard.

...and of coarse the governments are most likely keeping essential information from the citizens, like they always are. And you can count on everything they're saying isn't true. [/b]

So far approx. 1968 "Allies" have lost their lives in this "war". I don't have numbers of how many "Iraqi terrorists" have been killed or captured, because it seems barely anyone puts that info on the web.

Cost of war (I'm not sure if this site is accurate but I just thought I should post it)

The cost of war is the cost of war. Whatever the amount is, it still needs to be done.
 
Solid Lifters
Forgot about September 11th? They already did. This war in Iraq is part of that payback.


Not really. They want us dead, and act upon what they want. So, we need to kill them first. It's not that hard.


The cost of war is the cost of war. Whatever the amount is, it still needs to be done.

OMG I was being sarcastic. Payback???Wtf. They kill americans, so now the US is obliged to go and kill Iraqis that's bull.

It isn't the matter of killing it's the matter of FINDING them. They can't just nuke em. I have No doubt in the world that they can kill them, but first they're going to have to find them.

War drains money out of the government. And guess who's paying for it? I think you've been filled with a little bit of propaganda my friend.
 
the top rated TV show in Iraq is a reality show about an Iraqi commander and his terrorist hunting squad filmed live . yep ...sounds like a civil war ...any day now ..bwahahahaha ...fools .

http://hurricanejim.gnn.tv/blogs/5113/Iraqi_Reality_TV_You_betcha
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0607/p01s03-woiq.html



Specials > Iraq in Transition
from the June 07, 2005 edition


A TV ICON: The Wolf Brigade's Abul Waleed greets his men.
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Iraqi reality-TV hit takes fear factor to another level

By Neil MacDonald | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

BAGHDAD – Forget the worm-eating contestants on "Fear Factor." And don't look for teen singers trying to become the next "Iraqi Idol." Here in Iraq, reality TV has a grittier visage.
In one recent opening scene of "Terrorism in the Grip of Justice," viewers see a group of tired, scruffy men sitting on bare ground, squinting in the glare of floodlights and waiting to confess.


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The camera then pans to Abul Waleed, the mustachioed, red-bereted commander of the elite Wolf Brigade police squad. Waleed is addressing about 30 terrorism suspects hauled in during Operation Lightning, a massive Iraqi-led sweep (now in its second week) aimed at rooting out car bombers and other insurgents in Baghdad.

"Grip of Justice" dominates the 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. time slot in Iraq - at least anecdotally. There are no Nielsen ratings here.

It's broadly popular and considered a key tool in fighting the insurgency. But critics say the show violates prisoner rights by publicly humiliating suspects before they are proven guilty. As domestic detainees, these men are not covered by Geneva Convention rules for prisoners of war. But even so, "the Iraqi government is still bound to treat prisoners in a dignified way under international human rights law," explains Naz Modirzadeh, assistant professor of international human rights law at the American University in Cairo (AUC) "Public humiliation is a no-no."

But supporters say the nightly show helps Iraq fight an insurgency that has no qualms about using video-tapes of beheadings to sow terror. Many Iraqis say they welcome the program as proof that their government is doing something - anything - to make the country safe.

Commander Waleed, who first pitched the idea for a reality show about the work of his force to local TV producers in the northern city of Mosul late last year, says he "wanted to expose the falsehood of jihad," or holy war, against the US-backed government. "Terrorists are sick spirits," he says. The show was soon picked up by national network Al Iraqiya and quickly became a sensation, with families and friends gathering nightly to watch detailed confessions by the insurgency's formerly mysterious gunmen, car bombers, and kidnappers.

Viewers here say the show is "watched by everyone," even those who sympathize with the insurgents. Some observers say the airing of the "Grip of Justice" on the state-run and -funded Al Iraqiya three months ago represented a major turning point in the Iraqi government's battle for hearts and minds, capping the success of the Jan. 30 elections. [Editor's note: The original version incorrectly called the network US-funded. The US Embassy in Baghdad says US funding stopped in April.]

Col. Thomas Hammes, an insurgency expert at National Defense University in Washington, called the show a "powerful first step" in undermining the insurgency. "Obviously, the first thing the government has to do is convince people that it can govern, so that they see the value of coming forward with information," he says.

US officers in Iraq say that the nightly show has encouraged more Iraqis to come in with intelligence tips.

Yet the show may also be raising Sunni-Shiite sectarian tensions. Hard-line Sunni rejectionists list the Wolf Brigade and its Shiite commander among their prime enemies in the new political order. As the show has gained fame, preacher Abdel Salam Qubaysi has condemned the televised humiliation of Sunni prisoners, thundering in one Friday sermon, "Al Iraqiya is not Iraqi."

The most familiar part of the show are the confessions, which frequently link suspects to atrocities reported on the news. There is little doubt among Iraqis that the captives really are terrorists. Iraqi journalist Salam Jihad, who was detained by insurgents for several hours on a desert highway late last year, says he later saw one of his captors turn up on the show.

In a recent episode, three insurgents sat sullenly, confessing to their role in the kidnappings and murders of Shiite residents around Salman Pak, south of Baghdad. One suspect, named Muhsin, holds up a photo of one alleged victim.

"And how did you kill him?" the interrogator demands. "By shooting," the 22-year-old Muhsin says.

But because some of the suspects bear visible cuts and bruises on their faces, and confessing terrorists often also admit to drunkenness or sexual deviancy on the show, critics question the legitimacy of both the interrogation techniques and the confessions. The Iraqi Ministry of Human Rights has filed complaints with the Interior Ministry and has asked the judicial council to review the show's legality.
 
the_undrtaker89
OMG I was being sarcastic. Payback???Wtf. They kill americans, so now the US is obliged to go and kill Iraqis that's bull.


Incorrect.

Terrorists in Iraq, not Iraqis. Get it straight.
War drains money out of the government. And guess who's paying for it?

As a Taxpayer, I will happily pay for a war that freed 25 million people from oppression, removed a tyrant from supporting terrorism, and seeking after illegal WMD.
 
Viper Zero
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Incorrect.

Terrorists in Iraq, not Iraqis. Get it straight.


As a Taxpayer, I will happily pay for a war that freed 25 million people from oppression, removed a tyrant from supporting terrorism, and seeking after illegal WMD.

That's funny, because it seems 22880 Iraqi civilians have been killed by US intervention.

And when a country is freed doesn't it mean it's a time of rejoyce? Not in this case, intervention is just pissing people off over there. Maybe it's the 22,000 civilians that were killed....
 
the_undrtaker89
OMG I was being sarcastic. Payback???Wtf. They kill americans, so now the US is obliged to go and kill Iraqis that's bull.
Not it's not. It's all really simple. **** with us, and you die. They kill us, we kill them.
 
Solid Lifters
Not it's not. It's all really simple. **** with us, and you die. They kill us, we kill them.

Iraqi's did nothing but they're paying they're lives, so that US forces can find a handfull of people. That sounds stupid. And I thought even government doesn't agree with revenge. Doesn't someone get charged heavily if they retalihiate?
 
the_undrtaker89
That's funny, because it seems 22880 Iraqi civilians have been killed by US intervention.

And when a country is freed doesn't it mean it's a time of rejoyce? Not in this case, intervention is just pissing people off over there. Maybe it's the 22,000 civilians that were killed....

22,880? 22,000?

Want to throw around more unsubstantiated numbers?

How many have been killed by terrorist "intervention"?
 
Viper Zero
What civil war? Show me it, who's going to start it? You know, the worse thing we can do is leave Iraq. Those who say we should leave never understood the war in the first place.



Obviously, Takumi wanted to start a flame war. I think it's one of the best pictures ever.👍 It's great to see our soldiers having just one bit of fun over in Iraq.


You completely misinterpret my intentions. I just think it's a hilarious picture. The guy with two pair of sunglasses nearly made me fall out of my chair when I saw him.

Viper, and any of you other guys, don't turn this thread into a political argument. I simply posted a picture that I found funny, with a tounge-in-cheek comment, nothing more. This is the Rumble Strip, you want to argue, take it to Opinions.
 
Honestly, I don't give a damn about the reasons we went to Iraq (at least our military going, anywho). We're there. We ousted a sick bastard from power, and we're doing what we can to make the people happy. Obviously, we are not "winning their hearts" to win this war. Talk to any soldier returning from the front, though, and they will tell you the exact opposite--and not because they are TOLD to by their CO, but because it is TRUE. There are many people who are happy to have the U.S. military there. Of course, what you see on TV is the exact opposite.

It's just like norma news, really--how many times do you hear about something GOOD happening in the news? Mostly it's "some guy got shot at some place" or "something was stoelen from here". It's never "some guy did some really nice thing today" and when it is something of that sort, it involves conspiracy or controversy of some kinds.

We are in an unconventional war. Fighting it with conventional methods, LOOKING at it conventionally will yield you no understanding of it other than some distorted illusion. Not to make a joke out of this (entirely) but this is the first chapter of Sun Tzu's The Art of War--the BASICS according to him. To Sun Tzu, art was something that humans had to do, but the best thing to do, according to him, was to win without fighting the war at all.

I'd rant more, but it's time for me to sleep. Hard to tell, I'm sure, but I'm tired all the same....
 
Before this turns into a big wank wank 'I know more about it then you' flame fest (though it's probably too late now :rolleyes:) let me just post this link.

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