Amuse : Carbon R or S2000?

[Kent]

Man-oh-man was that anti-climatic.

I just jumped into the Falken and went right back to the Motegi East course.

Same setup as before with the S2000 and Carbon-R... Stock power, weight, and setting (personal settings for driving aids).

Sure enough it looks like the Carbon vs Falken thing was backwards... The Falken didn't stand a chance!

I put super soft racing tires on it and raced a few laps.
Took about 3 laps for me to notice that clean laps on the right line were still falling short of the Carbon-R's times.

I looked into it after I went back to the garage and found out the problem.
The Carbon-R weighs in at 1123kg, the Falken weighs in around 1360kg.

Don't get me wrong, the Falken was a great car to run.
Handled really well, sounded great and had great power.
However, it just couldn't match the Carbon-R.

Check it out for yourselves if you really want to know.
If your lazy, take my word for it, the carbon-R is a beast!

And yes, the Carbon-R's body is made of carbon fiber.

 

[pSI civic]

the carbon R has tons of wheel spin and turbo lag. the s2k is extreamly quick. the blitz er34 is faster then the carbon R imho.

 

[jeffreypang911]

did a little serch:

http://www.forum-auto.com/sqlforum/section10/sujet298296.htm

great pics!

 

[s12ken]

Kent
wow, i never saw that coming! Carbon R wins? OMG! I'm gonna do my Tuner test tonight, testing it at Fuji 05 GT... my Skyline GT-R M-Spec (Z-Tune Settings) against Supra RZ (Amuse spec) It kinda looks one sided since the Z-tune is 600hp, i'll bring down 100hp from the z-tune to get it's road form. Also I might throw in my HKS 22B STi in the mix so its a 1500hp shootout... mhh got make a writeup on this...

Better link and story to the Carbon R:http://blog.gtroc.com/dino/2005/05/amuse_carbon-r.html

 

[Kent]

Well, if opinions make your car fast my 177,000 mile Camry is easily the fastest car in all of the South east. 👍

Your comment draws my attention though...
Maybe the Blitz should be on my test list?

Also, you know, this might be the perfect time to bring up "driving aids."

Wheel-spin is a major problem in the Carbon-R.
However, with the super-soft racing tires and "2" tcs I found almost no wheel-spin at all.
In fact, without the wheel-spin the Carbon-R was a great car. 👍

Back in a few minutes with my findings regarding the blitz vs the Carbon.
(just for the record though...
before testing I am going to say the blitz doesn't stand a chance of running with the Carbon-R).

I can't help but wonder how many people have really tested the Carbon-R and not just driven it for 10 minutes on sports tires.

btw, don't forget... All my test have been on the same system of setups.
Stock power
Stock weight
Stock settings
Driver's choice of driving aids

Arcade mode: sports-soft tires
GT mode: super-soft tires

(btw, that's why the Carbon-R is doing so well... It comes stock with Sports soft tires... Hook it up with racing tires and it works wonders)

 

[s12ken]

Good luck! I won't get to test till i get home tonight, so will let you all know in the mornin

 

[pSI civic]

if your doing blitz vz carbon r the hks silvia is also a nice car...

i drove the carbon R around tokyo r246 and just didnt like it. i dont use asm or tcs because most cars dont use it and imho its shows less as to how well you can drive. back to the s2k, i have driven it a lot around both de la sarthe 2 and the ring and its jsut a very fast car.

its no wonder the falken gtr lost. its very heavy and the awd is a bit of a henderence.

 

[pSI civic]

also since you say stock set ups i must point out i tuned the cars before driving so my views are a bit different.

 

[Kent]

Looks like the Blitz was another 2 minute tester.

Jumped in, put on the super softs and hit the track (motegi again).

Only 475hp and 1180kg.
Not the best pwr on the block, but the handling felt better than any of the previous skylines tested.

I suppose you should expect that from a drift car with grip.
Like I said though, great handling but it just didn't have the power to keep up with the Carbon-R standard.

In arcade mode the Blitz is great on sports softs.
However, in GT mode with R5 tires...
When compared to the others mentioned thoughout this thread, the Blitz tuner car isn't up to speed.

I bet some power upgrades would have it running right with the Carbon-R but at 475hp it just didn't keep up.

 

[s12ken]

wow kent looks like your carbon r is on a role! funny how things turn out huh?

 

[pSI civic]

oh well

 

[Kent]

Well, the car's stats help.
I forget what they are but I've put them down somewhere in this thread.

Near 600hp
Maybe under 1200kg?

That makes it easy to get past most of the competition I've tested against.
The key to all of the carbon-R's success in my tests is Racing Tires.

With sport tires you can't get the traction for full engine use.
The Carbon-R in arcade mode is a shame.
Almost impossible to get traction with that thing because of the arcade mode format.
I'm sure you have noticed by now that arcade street cars can not be fitted with racing tires.

That said, the arcade Carbon-R is a horrible car.

On the other hand...
A racing tire equipped carbon-R could be the fastest "tuner" in the game.
What suggestions do you all have for comparisons under the "racing tire" circumstances?

I'll take another look through the tuners, if I find anything I will come back and let you all know what happens.

btw, do you guys think the creator of this thread is keeping up with it?

 

[s12ken]

have you tried the Option Stream 350Z? i bet that'd provide the Carbon R a run for it's money?
hey why not make a thread all by itself... Carbon R against the World

 

[pSI civic]

i'd like to see a little long distance comparo of the sports medium tires against the hard racing tires. not the hardest but the second hardest. i find they are about the same but the racing tire has more endurance.

 

[Thrust-Master]

the S2000 by far! its clearly better in every way! if you consider just buying one, buy the S2000 GT1!

 

[nevermind]

how come there's no downforce option with the Amuse cars?
having that bodykit and huge spoiler for nothing? too bad...but i like the s2000

 

[vtec_guy]

id assume that the s200 is the best handling car since on BMI they call it the Amuse S2000 "Togue Monster". Lol you may wanna trust someones else's opinion tho lol.

 

[Kent]

have you tried the Option Stream 350Z? i bet that'd provide the Carbon R a run for it's money?

I haven't tested it against the Carbon-R but I doubt it could come close.
The Stream Option Z weighs in at over 1400kg.

I will look into it but with that much weight it will be hard to brake as well as the Carbon-R.
However, I must admit, the 700+hp will make it fast as hell on the straights.

the S2000 by far! its clearly better in every way! if you consider just buying one, buy the S2000 GT1!

Clearly better at creating slower track times. 👍

I've looked through as many tuner cars as possible and I just don't see anything keeping up with the Carbon-R when out-fitted with racing slicks.

So, maybe I should focus on Sport-tire comparisons.
I am sure that many of the cars mentioned in this thread will be faster than the Carbon-R on sport-tires.

One thing though... Before I test anything on (S3) tires, I am going to run the Carbon-R around the 'ring on Super Soft Racing Slicks.

I'm not the fastest driver but it will be interesting to see just how fast the Carbon-R can be.

Edit:
Just put down a lap at the ring in the Carbon-R.
Carbon-R:
Super Soft Racing Tires (R5)
Stock Power, Weight, Settings.
6'24.280

Remember, Ring times come down to driver and I'm not that fast.

 

[agent kri]

Sorry for bein a little late with follow-up .
Thanks for advice and opinions!

 

[Gentry Coach]

In my personal testing (lap times on tracks/with all mods/sim mode) the Carbon R won out on most tracks. The difference in times was 3 or 4 seconds on tracks that have long straights (Tokyo, Fuji '90) but very comparable on more technical tracks. The S2000 had better times on tight city tracks (Hong Kong, Opera). The S2000 seemed easier to drive and was a little more "fun". So, if you like high speed tracks go for the Carbon R but if you like the tight turns go with the S2000. Or if money is no problem, get both.

 

[jdw]

I haven't tested it against the Carbon-R but I doubt it could come close.
The Stream Option Z weighs in at over 1400kg.

And it has the worst tranny preset in the game.
Leaving it stock would be a nightmare.

Edit:
Just put down a lap at the ring in the Carbon-R.
Carbon-R:
Super Soft Racing Tires (R5)
Stock Power, Weight, Settings.
6'24.280

I admit that I'm surprised the Falken lost out to the Carbon in any test. But I would be interested to see how it fares at the Ring vs. the Carbon. If you don't mind trying it out that is...

I'd try it myself but I have 2 more races at the Formula GT to do.

You're probably right, despite not having adjustable Downforce perhaps some downforce is "dialed" into the default setup much like it is for the Chapparal 2J.

Oh, I do have one minor nit. For the purposes of comparison, using R5s is certainly fine but it provides a limited context. R5s can't be used in a "real" setting. By that I mean, a setting where Tire Wear is active. I'd be surprised if you could make one lap around the Ring before the tires came off. For that purpose, R3s make more sense but... like I said... it's a minor nit

 

[Kent]

Good points there. 👍

One thing I did do since I last posted here was run the Fully modified version of the Carbon-R. 👎

Once again the carbon-r goes back to being a nasty monster with no traction and only mediocre handling.

Seems the Carbon-R is a hotlap monster with the right conditions, otherwise it's always behind the competition.

Tested the fully modified S2000GT1 on the other hand.
Never finished a lap on the ring but all of my t-times were faster than what was set by the carbon-R.

In any conditions other than a full on hotlap I would have to say the carbon-R is one of the worst tuners in the game.

The S2000GT1 on the other hand seems to be one heck of a car.
Excellent handling and great power.

I've gotta say though...
Some odd things I've noticed about the Carbon-R...
The semi-racing default suspension comes with 3.5/2.0 camber!
Also, the stock transmission and power will go up to 193mph or more on the 'Ring!

I'll be back a little later with some more ______ vs ______ comparisons.
I've just gotta come up with something worth testing.
Oh yeah, I'm probably gonna stick with the Carbon-R a bit longer, I know I can get it to be faster on the ring.

Edit:
Since no one has posted a new comment I will just edit my last post.

Finished a few runs with the Carbon-R and the Falken.
As I suspected, the Falken couldn't keep up because of the lacking power.
However, it still felt like one of the better handling cars I've tested.

On the faster side though...
I finished another lap with the Carbon-R.
6'16.138

Not too fast but still nearly 10 seconds faster than my initial 'ring times in the Carbon-R. 👍

 

[pSI civic]

try rally racing the falken. the capri and that other one in italy.

 

[Kent]

try rally racing the falken. the capri and that other one in italy.

Under conditions set by any of you the Carbon-R will be slower than the competition we have been testing against.

However, if you setup the Carbon-R with Racing tires and compare any of the tuners based on that modification alone, it might be hard to find anything as fast as the Carbon-R.

Heck, look at the last time I put down at the ring... 6'16.1.
The driver can make all the difference and that's why my time is still slow.
Still though, I'm happy with that time and I'm confident that it shows the Carbon-R as one hell of a time trial runner.

Plus, with that time on the ring it shows that the Carbon-R isn't simply the straight-line racer many people have painted it to be.

Any of you guys out there fast enough to beat my time- do it. 👍
I want to see someone break the 6 minute mark with that sucker.

Me? I've got about 2 or 3 more seconds to take off that time but after that it's just too much.
I can drive fast from time to time but in the end I am a slow roller.

 

[pSI civic]

i just had the idea that you should test these cars at monoco. the carbon r the gt1 the blitz skyline and the falken. i'd put money on honda power.

 

[Kent]

i just had the idea that you should test these cars at monoco. the carbon r the gt1 the blitz skyline and the falken. i'd put money on honda power.

Monaco is really a hard course to test at.

With such a hard line to follow it can be almost impossible to run consistant laps.

Don't get me wrong, it's not too hard to run consistantly but for the sake of testing it could be hard to accurately judge the results.

On that note though...
The Amuse S2000 very well could win at monaco.
With such great handling it should be able to leave the competition in the dust.
Of course, I'm not really sure.

I will go test a few cars at monaco and get back to you all.
Should I do it with Racing tires or sports tires?

If Racing tires then there is a chance the Amuse Carbon-R could win (as with so many other comparisons from this thread).
However, if this ends up as a sports tire showdown- the Carbon-R will lose (badly).

 

[pSI civic]

try both. the carbon r has to much lag to win. i said the er34 because of its drift nature. the falken just because it was brought up before. i own one and its ok but i wouldnt use it to win races i havent already.

i like monoco. the fact that its a real f1 track and its so hard make it fun. the same doesnt go for suzuka though...

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

This is one gifted motor , Love that rear camber ! , far better than opera , spoon etc s2000s , have the carbonara but it's a bit of a drag stripper & meathead , this baby is the real deal , sooo relaxing in enduro mode...

 

[pSI civic]

my s2k gt1 is black. looks bad ass.

 

[xcsti]

Personally I didn't like the gt1 it just isn't visceral enough for me. Everything was smooth, which makes it a nice car for a course like the 'burg but I don't enjoy that on any other course. I like the back end to be flying out at every opportunity.

I'll admit the gt1 is most likely the better of the two (and damb it loks good) but the carbon R is the right car for me.

Edit: on a side note, I've been watching dino's blog but he hasn't update it in two months. I know that he recently wrote and took pictures for autoweek, but does anyone know what is keeping him from updating?