Analyst Predicts PlayStation 5 Will Launch as Early as 2019

[Eager Snake]

I stick with consoles even playing on PC because of a single reason: I CAN'T SEE a generational leap in quality even with the latest graphics card available. So, right now, for me, what's available on PS4 is great and I can live with that for a couple of years.
I love a better presentation overall, but that's not the main thing. It helps, A LOT, but I'm not here just to pay more $$$ just to see a detail that I need to zoom in 400% to even see it.
They really need to improve a lot to convince me. The standard is already really high.

I mean, don't get me wrong, 60fps or even higher, 4K, better VR, all of that, everything you want, all really cool and fancy, BUT, I can't see incredible advancements. I still see the same old assets as before but a little better animation or some nice shaders here and there, but I can't see the difference that I saw back in the days of, for example, PSX and PS2.
I love playing on PC, but I don't know if it is just an idea, but if you want to have "decent" graphics or anything, you need to invest $300 more on your pc just to have a minor improvement. Again, just an opinion.

 

[TVR27]

I don't care about 4k and graphics I just want good game and good game play and I haven't seen a good racing game since Toca Race Driver 3.

 

[Robin]

What ten-year cycle?

PlayStation: 1994
PlayStation 2: 2000
PlayStation 3: 2006
PlayStation 4: 2013

That seems to be a 6-7 year cycle. More accurately, it's an average of 75 months (6 years, 3 months), which would put the PS5 at February 2020.

Perhaps you're talking about a ten-year product support cycle?

PlayStation: 2006
PlayStation 2: 2013
PlayStation 3: ~2017

That's roughly 11 years that Sony continues to support the consoles. In fact they're supported for, on average, 135 months (11 years, 3 months), which would put the PS4 end of life at February 2024.

What your forgetting is that unlike the PS1,2,3 the PS4 was not a huge performance leap as the previous ones. The PS4 was mediocre specs wise when it launched and was designed that way because the traditional gaming market was shrinking and people were still suffering from the recession, all meaning they needed to launch a cheap and cheerful console which was not going to cost £500! The gamble worked and the price meant it sold like hot cakes but that doesn't change the fact that it needs to be replaced sooner.

The PS4 Pro was also mediocre when it launched and is equally going to be a short term thing, even shorter than the original PS4 purely because it will now have competition from the One X. I think the analysts are completely right and a new PlayStation will be inbound in the next 2 years.

 

[Famine]

What your forgetting is that unlike the PS1,2,3 the PS4 was not a huge performance leap as the previous ones. The PS4 was mediocre specs wise when it launched and was designed that way because the traditional gaming market was shrinking and people were still suffering from the recession, all meaning they needed to launch a cheap and cheerful console which was not going to cost £500! The gamble worked and the price meant it sold like hot cakes but that doesn't change the fact that it needs to be replaced sooner.

The PS4 Pro was also mediocre when it launched and is equally going to be a short term thing, even shorter than the original PS4 purely because it will now have competition from the One X. I think the analysts are completely right and a new PlayStation will be inbound in the next 2 years.

I think you intended to quote someone else, as my post was pointing out that there isn't a ten-year product cycle for PlayStation in response to someone who said they needed to keep the ten-year cycle.

I didn't say anything about the analysts being wrong, or the PS5 not coming in the next couple of years at all.

 

[Robin]

I think you intended to quote someone else, as my post was pointing out that there isn't a ten-year product cycle for PlayStation in response to someone who said they needed to keep the ten-year cycle.

I didn't say anything about the analysts being wrong, or the PS5 not coming in the next couple of years at all.

Yeah, I was adding to the conversation started by Latvija27. Should have included his post.

 

[Famine]

Yeah, I was adding to the conversation started by Latvija27. Should have included his post.

Yeah, if this was still vBulletin it would have included the nested quote

 

[Jawehawk]

Who cares what some halfwit "analyst" thinks? They're little better than fortune tellers. Why did the GTP news section turn into Buzzfeed? This isn't news.

In any case, a 2019 release will have meant a 6 year lifespan for the PS4, which is a tad on the short side, but not too bad.

 

[Famine]

Why did the GTP news section turn into Buzzfeed?

As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

This isn't news.

Why not? It's new information about current events.

 

[Jawehawk]

As far as I can tell, it hasn't..

The news feed has become nothing but random car and console related fluff. This would be easy enough to ignore, if it wasn't then reposted within the forum itself. Its pointless filler that has zero substance, making it very much Buzzfeed grade.

Why not? It's new information about current events.

First off, it's not news, it's predictions from someone who has a poor track record, and who don't know any more than the rest of us. And second, it isn't current events, it's potential future events. Might as well make a news post about a (insert car manufacturer name here) making a new car in 2019. It'd be the same thing. No real substance, just a random person making a vague prediction.

 

[Famine]

The news feed has become nothing but random car and console related fluff.

Imagine if this was a forum frequented by people who were fans of a car game, and they were interested in cars and games.

This would be easy enough to ignore, if it wasn't then reposted within the forum itself.

Imagine if the discussion section for news articles on a forum was the actual forum where these things are discussed.

Incidentally, they're all posted by @GTPNewsWire, so just ignore that account and you won't have a problem.

Its pointless filler that has zero substance, making it very much Buzzfeed grade.

Why do you think automotive, motorsport and racing game news brought to a community that's interested in cars, motorsports and racing games is 'filler'?

Perhaps you could explain what it is you understand Buzzfeed does and why you think we also do it. It'll be a fun list - I'm sure number four will shock me.

First off, it's not news, it's predictions from someone who has a poor track record, and who don't know any more than the rest of us. And second, it isn't current events, it's potential future events.

News is, by definition, new information about current events.

The ongoing console development process is current events, the finance industry analyst who reckons there'll be another one sooner than we think is new information. Whether he's right or wrong, it's new information (from a business perspective, rather than a gaming one) about current events.

Might as well make a news post about a (insert car manufacturer name here) making a new car in 2019. It'd be the same thing.

So... like the hybrid or electric Volvos, or the Aston Martin Valkyrie then?

No real substance, just a random person making a vague prediction.

I'll let Hakan and Andy know they're random people and don't know about their own products then. I'm sure they'll get a laugh out of it.


Just out of curiosity, what news would you like us to cover?

 

[Joey D]

2019 seems on target for the next generation console release given the development schedule of past generations. I wonder how much they can actually improve on though? It seems like at this point they can really only add gimmicky stuff like VR or 3D gaming. I suppose resolution will be greater than 4K by that time too so they'll probably try to target that.

Why did the GTP news section turn into Buzzfeed?

Just wait until we start rolling out "Take a quiz to find out what racing wheel you identify as!" and "This man played Gran Turismo for the first time, you won't believe what happened next!". There's also a potential piece on some fan fiction regarding Kazunori Yamauchi in Russia.

 

[Jawehawk]

Imagine if this was a forum frequented by people who were fans of a car game, and they were interested in cars and games.

Imagine if the discussion section for news articles on a forum was the actual forum where these things are discussed.

Incidentally, they're all posted by @GTPNewsWire, so just ignore that account and you won't have a problem.

Why do you think automotive, motorsport and racing game news brought to a community that's interested in cars, motorsports and racing games is 'filler'?

Perhaps you could explain what it is you understand Buzzfeed does and why you think we also do it. It'll be a fun list - I'm sure number four will shock me.

News is, by definition, new information about current events.

The ongoing console development process is current events, the finance industry analyst who reckons there'll be another one sooner than we think is new information. Whether he's right or wrong, it's new information (from a business perspective, rather than a gaming one) about current events.

So... like the hybrid or electric Volvos, or the Aston Martin Valkyrie then?

I'll let Hakan and Andy know they're random people and don't know about their own products then. I'm sure they'll get a laugh out of it.


Just out of curiosity, what news would you like us to cover?

Imagine if the forum were frequented by people who got their car related information from sources that cover the subject far better than GTP ever will. Imagine if discussion of these topics already existed on this board before the news section started writing about it. I call it filler because it can't possibly hope to inform people of these topics to the same extend that sites dedicated to these topics do, and thus, to me, they come of as fluff pieces.

The article does not present any new information what so ever. It's all speculation, and every single person on this board could think up an equally valid prediction on when the PS5 or next XBOX releases as well as what those consoles might look like. Pachter and Thong don't have some special foresight. They look at some data, and then think they predictions are worth anything, evne if they're wrong more often than they're right. It's not a secret that the PS5 and next XBOX is on the way, and so, vague predictions don't serve as anything more than vague predictions.

Don't know what Hakan and Andy you're referring to. They're not mentioned in the article. GTP was first and foremost about Gran Turismo, so having the news section focused on that was quite nice. That it has developed into something more doesn't bother me, as I simply ignore the section entirely, and it of course isn't my prerogative to determine what the news section focuses on. Making new and entirely pointless threads on the forum does annoy me, as the topics covered in the news section that people were interested in discussing either already exist, thus making the news thread a duplicate one, or will be opened by someone wishing to discuss it further. I of course also don't have any right to dictate what threads are being opened, so I'm simply stating my opinion on the matter. That opinion being that the news threads are redundant at best, or pointless filler at worst.

 

[Famine]

Imagine if the forum were frequented by people who got their car related information from sources that cover the subject far better than GTP ever will.

I call it filler because it can't possibly hope to inform people of these topics to the same extend that sites dedicated to these topics do

That seems to be extraordinarily dismissive of our writing team, which includes someone who wrote for several of these sites you mention, and the entire concept that we could be such a site.

It's rather rude to assume that we can't possibly develop into a good source of automotive coverage. I'm sure some people thought we couldn't possibly develop into a good source of racing game coverage - and originally we weren't even that. We were an MSN group about Gran Turismo 2 and now we're the second largest motoring topic forum in the world.

It's a good job @Jordan's ambitions for the site outstrip yours, or you'd have to talk about Driveclub, Rocket League, aeroplanes and Horizon Zero Dawn somewhere else instead of here, with people of similar interests.

Making new and entirely pointless threads on the forum does annoy me, as the topics covered in the news section that people were interested in discussing either already exist, thus making the news thread a duplicate one, or will be opened by someone wishing to discuss it further.

If there is a well-developed thread already, @GTPNewsWire will post in it. If not, or if it's important or a part of a huge discussion thread and is a topic that merits further specific scrutiny, a new thread will be created.

The article does not present any new information what so ever. It's all speculation, and every single person on this board could think up an equally valid prediction on when the PS5 or next XBOX releases as well as what those consoles might look like. Pachter and Thong don't have some special foresight. They look at some data, and then think they predictions are worth anything, evne if they're wrong more often than they're right. It's not a secret that the PS5 and next XBOX is on the way, and so, vague predictions don't serve as anything more than vague predictions.

The financial analyst in question makes a business case for the PS5's release window - something few of us consider - which is new information. We've reported on that information and now people are discussing it. Including you.

Still not seeing the Buzzfeed connection in there either. Perhaps if we'd reported Kylie Jenner's 73 funniest thoughts on the XBox One (number 47 will make you weep for humanity) you'd have the semblance of a point.

 

[Jawehawk]

That seems to be extraordinarily dismissive of our writing team, which includes someone who wrote for several of these sites you mention, and the entire concept that we could be such a site.

It's rather rude to assume that we can't possibly develop into a good source of automotive coverage. I'm sure some people thought we couldn't possibly develop into a good source of racing game coverage - and originally we weren't even that. We were an MSN group about Gran Turismo 2 and now we're the second largest motoring topic forum in the world.

It's a good job @Jordan's ambitions for the site outstrip yours, or you'd have to talk about Driveclub, Rocket League, aeroplanes and Horizon Zero Dawn somewhere else instead of here, with people of similar interests.

If there is a well-developed thread already, @GTPNewsWire will post in it. If not, or if it's important or a part of a huge discussion thread and is a topic that merits further specific scrutiny, a new thread will be created.

Still not seeing the Buzzfeed connection in there either.

I'm not disputing the writing skills of the writing staff. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I'm simply saying that the topics are substantial and require a lot of time and energy to cover adequately.

And I never said that I wanted the forum itself to be limited to Gran Turismo. That's either me not making myself clear enough, or you misinterpreting what I am writing. As I said, if someone wishes to discuss a topic, be it one they read about in the news section, or something entirely else, they can and will open one. And that's a good thing. That's why I consider the news threads redundant.

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm not disputing the writing skills of the writing staff. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I'm simply saying that the topics are substantial and require a lot of time and energy to cover adequately.

And I never said that I wanted the forum itself to be limited to Gran Turismo. That's either me not making myself clear enough, or you misinterpreting what I am writing. As I said, if someone wishes to discuss a topic, be it one they read about in the news section, or something entirely else, they can and will open one. And that's a good thing. That's why I consider the news threads redundant.

Let's see if I understand what you're saying: because someone will eventually open a thread discussing a certain topic, it doesn't warrant a dedicated news post (which often predates and prompts said discussion you're speaking of) that will attract people who don't exactly frequent the forum as we do, or are perhaps "behind the curve" in regards to certain games or trends (GT Sport, Thrustmater R-GT, etc.) thus further stimulating discussion on the matter at hand?

A fantastic example of this is there have been threads bringing news to our attention and reported thusly, even linking to that thread, because GTPlanet doesn't exist in a vacuum. As I've hinted at before, while the likes of you and I may frequent here every single day there are those that don't and are more often than not looking to us to bring them new information. Our recent expansion of news coverage even more so.

 

[lancia delta hf]

Imagine if this was a forum frequented by people who were fans of a car game, and they were interested in cars and games.

Imagine if the discussion section for news articles on a forum was the actual forum where these things are discussed.

Incidentally, they're all posted by @GTPNewsWire, so just ignore that account and you won't have a problem.

Why do you think automotive, motorsport and racing game news brought to a community that's interested in cars, motorsports and racing games is 'filler'?

Perhaps you could explain what it is you understand Buzzfeed does and why you think we also do it. It'll be a fun list - I'm sure number four will shock me.

News is, by definition, new information about current events.

The ongoing console development process is current events, the finance industry analyst who reckons there'll be another one sooner than we think is new information. Whether he's right or wrong, it's new information (from a business perspective, rather than a gaming one) about current events.

So... like the hybrid or electric Volvos, or the Aston Martin Valkyrie then?

I'll let Hakan and Andy know they're random people and don't know about their own products then. I'm sure they'll get a laugh out of it.


Just out of curiosity, what news would you like us to cover?

Tbh I did think why are they posting non game relating stuff on the home page when I first saw it, but I like it. Those who are on this site from the early days are here because of GT, and those who were drawn to GT were so because of their love for cars. So why not have car or motorsport news on the home page!

 

[PzR Slim]

I'll start by saying a big thanks to the staff members for taking the time to create these news pieces for our consumption. I for one appreciate it even if all the articles are not 'up my street'.

To those have a moan. FFS chill out! This site was not created for you. Don't like something, don't read it, ignore it. Why waste more of your time on it by writing post after post complaining? Unless you enjoy doing that of course......

 

[Jawehawk]

I'll start by saying a big thanks to the staff members for taking the time to create these news pieces for our consumption. I for one appreciate it even if all the articles are not 'up my street'.

To those have a moan. FFS chill out! This site was not created for you. Don't like something, don't read it, ignore it. Why waste more of your time on it by writing post after post complaining? Unless you enjoy doing that of course......

The hypocrisy of what you just wrote is mindblowing. People complaining about other people complaining.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'm not disputing the writing skills of the writing staff. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I'm simply saying that the topics are substantial and require a lot of time and energy to cover adequately.

Hi. Editor here.

You're right, these topics are substantial, and do require a lot of time and energy. That's why we've expanded the writing team. This past week alone has had 21 gaming articles.

What doesn't take a lot of time and energy is to draw a comparison to a site where 90% of the articles are lists consisting of a sentence + gif/instagram combo for X amount of times. It's belittling to the effort put in by all the writing staff. I note you still haven't explained how GTPlanet resembles Buzzfeed.

As I said, if someone wishes to discuss a topic, be it one they read about in the news section, or something entirely else, they can and will open one. And that's a good thing. That's why I consider the news threads redundant.

GTPlanet's strongest asset is its community. The old news style, with separate comments, divided it. Now, everything takes place in the same spot, and as most of the stories on the front page are being discussed in the forums, that's better for the community.

Our writers are members of the community too. So when Newsie posts a new thread on their behalf, that is someone opening a thread about the subject. @Famine already outlined when and how a news thread is tied to existing posts.

The news threads are also very useful to our many readers that don't actively partake in the forums, or those that only interact with us on social media. Some of these people aren't as embedded in these topics like the rest of us.

As an aside, I can't imagine the "don't do something at all if someone else already does something like it" approach works fantastically in the real world.

 

[Jawehawk]

Hi. Editor here.

You're right, these topics are substantial, and do require a lot of time and energy. That's why we've expanded the writing team. This past week alone has had 21 gaming articles.

What doesn't take a lot of time and energy is to draw a comparison to a site where 90% of the articles are lists consisting of a sentence + gif/instagram combo for X amount of times. It's belittling to the effort put in by all the writing staff. I note you still haven't explained how GTPlanet resembles Buzzfeed.



GTPlanet's strongest asset is its community. The old news style, with separate comments, divided it. Now, everything takes place in the same spot, and as most of the stories on the front page are being discussed in the forums, that's better for the community.

Our writers are members of the community too. So when Newsie posts a new thread on their behalf, that is someone opening a thread about the subject. @Famine already outlined when and how a news thread is tied to existing posts.

The news threads are also very useful to our many readers that don't actively partake in the forums, or those that only interact with us on social media. Some of these people aren't as embedded in these topics like the rest of us.

As an aside, I can't imagine the "don't do something at all if someone else already does something like it" approach works fantastically in the real world.

Once again, I apologize if what I first said comes off as belittling the authors behind the news pieces and their competence. Wasn't My intension. My remark regarding Buzzfeed, which people seem quite hung up on, relates to how I perceive the GTP news section in its current incarnation. Lots of topics randomly reported on. The quality of the posts of course compare favorably to any of the nonsense you'll find on Buzzfeed, but, when compared to what the news section used to be, it lacks focus. That was all I meant with that remark.

I appreciate the arguments brought fourth by you, Famine and Terronium. They're certainly made me better aware of how the new way of doing it benefits some. I still prefer how it used to be though, and I certainly maintain that vague predictions that are no better than ones you and I could make, don't constitute news.