Another 30 dead on a boat.

[HKS racer]

A fishing boat containing the bodies of about 30 people was being towed by an Italian navy frigate to the Sicilian port of Pozzallo in the latest tragedy to hit the busy Mediterranean crossing route.

The Italian navy said the bodies had been found in the bow during a rescue mission on Sunday afternoon as part of the country's Mare Nostrum (Our Sea) operation, which aims to intercept migrant vessels before they run into trouble.

The probable cause of death was asphyxiation and drowning, according to medical staff at the scene, who also advised against the bodies being removed "due to restricted space", a navy statement said on Monday.

Once the navy had finished transferring the 566 survivors on to the Grecale, the frigate began towing the boat to Pozzallo, a small port on the south-east coast of Sicily, where it is expected to arrive on Tuesday.

Although the Italian government would like other EU countries to help shoulder its €9m(£7.2m) monthly costs, Rome is committed to the Mare Nostrum operation, which it and non-governmental organisations say has saved countless lives


Matteo Salvini - Lega Nord:"Another 30 dead on a boat. Another 30 dead on the consciences of those who defend Mare Lorum [Their Sea]. Stop the departures, help them in their own countries, immediately"


My toughs: I don't get how Germany pretend this is Italian problems only and not European Union problems. I don't get how 9 milions of euros each month can remotely repay Italy to all the efforts we are doing to buffer this critical situation. It's excaling pretty quickly, whole Africa now pretend to live in Europe but there's no place for everybody and no it's not a racism, it's simple math and common sense.

 

[Carlos]

I heard about this situation a couple of months ago. If the people want to come to the EU so badly with the risk of death, well, be my guest. And for Italy, too bad. It's their problem. Every country has to deal with immigrants.

"Help them in their own countries". Oh now you care?

 

[ExigeEvan]

I'm skeptical that Italy are doing it on behalf of the EU and not just for their own interests.

I seem to recall the French were always quite happy to support masses of immigrants at Calais destined for the UK, so I was of the impression that each nation takes its border security as its own responsibility.

 

[HKS racer]

And for Italy, too bad. It's their problem. Every country has to deal with immigrants.

Their problem?
This is exactly why we should quit Euro and Erupean Union as soon as possible.

 

[Carlos]

Their problem?
This is exactly why we should quit Euro and Erupean Union as soon as possible.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Carbonox]

Life in Europe isn't a human right.

To properly put a stop to the tragedies, all the borders in the south need to close. If the people know they won't be allowed in no matter what, they also won't make the dangerous journey across the water.

 

[Furinkazen]

Life in Europe isn't a human right.

To properly put a stop to the tragedies, all the borders in the south need to close. If the people know they won't be allowed in no matter what, they also won't make the dangerous journey across the water.

You can't just close doors to a country... there is no such thing. If tomorrow any EU country said "No, no more" would it stop people trying? I think not.

 

[Carbonox]

You can't just close doors to a country... there is no such thing. If tomorrow any EU country said "No, no more" would it stop people trying? I think not.

It'll then be a loss for the illegal immigrants, not us. We don't need any of them in at the moment with the growing lack of jobs for people over here already.

As if EU wasn't struggling enough!

 

[Azuremen]

Life in Europe isn't a human right.

To properly put a stop to the tragedies, all the borders in the south need to close. If the people know they won't be allowed in no matter what, they also won't make the dangerous journey across the water.

Hi, USA here, it really doesn't work that way. At all.

 

[Joel]

us

them

What a sad way to look at the world.

 

[Imari]

What a sad way to look at the world.

It's a pretty natural human reaction to look after one's own family and friends before strangers.

 

[Crispy]

What a sad way to look at the world.

The problem is a lack of resources to support everyone who wants to immigrate. We can't afford people of vastly different cultures with no skills and no grasp on the language entering our borders. That goes for the EU, USA, everyone.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Look, so long as the grass is greener on the otherside, others will always want in on that. Can you fault them? It's basic human nature to want the best for yourself and your loved ones.

 

[Omnis]

Simple solution: Eliminate welfare and open up the borders.

 

[HKS racer]

Look, so long as the grass is greener on the otherside, others will always want in on that. Can you fault them? It's basic human nature to want the best for yourself and your loved ones.

Ok but you know what Swiss made recently? They closed borders. They did it because they wanted to. Yes EU is charghing them now but they did anyway.
While being a EU country you can't take these decisions you have to follow EU directives but when Angela Merkel tells you "It's your problem" this whole EU thing fall apart. "It's your problem" is not an acceptable answer in an EU concept.

Simple solution: Eliminate welfare and open up the borders.

They are doing even worse that what you're saying, the biggest welfare resources here are for strangers.

 

[Crispy]

Look, so long as the grass is greener on the otherside, others will always want in on that. Can you fault them? It's basic human nature to want the best for yourself and your loved ones.

Then start ways to make it legal for them to get in. Get them started on learning the languages, on developing basic skills. All part of a path to citizenship. In the meantime close the borders as best you can. You can't stop them all, but you can stop some.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Can't blame for people wanting to get out of the :censored:hole they're currently in. And I don't agree it's just Italy's problem. Italy is hugely strained because of the huge influx of immigrants and simply can't process/house all those people. And with open borders in the EU, guess where those immigrants are all going? So yes, it's definitely an EU issue and the other countries should help out/assist here, even if it's only in their best interest.

 

[Keef]

Damn Cubans!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Simple solution: Eliminate welfare and open up the borders.

Easier still: call it a national security issue, classify anything and everything to do with it as secret, ignore any human rights obligations that you have, then publicly pretend that you have fixed the problem and privately do whatever the hell you want to with no civilian oversight.

Finally, tell the public how awesome you are. It's what our government does.

 

[Tornado]

Hey! America's too!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Hi, USA here, it really doesn't work that way. At all.

It sure it does, we just need that electric fence


In reality though I 100% agree with you. And it's not just Mexican's and South Americans (and other middle Americans), but Cubans and Haitians. People are pretty creative a haven't much to lose anymore when they live in rags and know riches aren't too far off.

 

[CinnamonOD]

It sure it does, we just need that electric fence


In reality though I 100% agree with you. And it's not just Mexican's and South Americans (and other middle Americans), but Cubans and Haitians. People are pretty creative a haven't much to lose anymore when they live in rags and know riches aren't too far off.

There's no solution to immigration problems. Get over it

And it's a very bad idea when you get illegals out of the US and drop them in this country, when most immigrants come from Central America...

The only thing those people do is rob, kill and get wasted, they do not do any good for society, the Mexicans go back to their hometowns, or try to do so

 

[vasiliflame]

Bit confused how can 30 people get drowned in a boat ?

 

[Carlos]

Ok but you know what Swiss made recently? They closed borders. They did it because they wanted to. Yes EU is charghing them now but they did anyway.
While being a EU country you can't take these decisions you have to follow EU directives but when Angela Merkel tells you "It's your problem" this whole EU thing fall apart. "It's your problem" is not an acceptable answer in an EU concept.

They are doing even worse that what you're saying, the biggest welfare resources here are for strangers.

Did we invite those people? They themselves take the risk, the consequences are for them too. I really don't see how it is suddenly my problem when a bunch of strangers take a boat and hope to enter some else's land.

If the world was a little bit less corrupt then we could have helped them on their own ground. Now it's just for our image.

And good that the Swiss did that. I hope more will follow.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There's no solution to immigration problems. Get over it

And it's a very bad idea when you get illegals out of the US and drop them in this country, when most immigrants come from Central America...

The only thing those people do is rob, kill and get wasted, they do not do any good for society, the Mexicans go back to their hometowns, or try to do so

Perhaps you misunderstood me. One I don't seriously believe in an electric fence...I was being sarcastic I thought the sly emoticon was a dead give away.

Two I never said deport them, and I'd love to see a statistic that shows that the majority are from Central/Middle America. Also you seem to be irritated with my post and then give the sweeping generalization that seems a bit condescending of those people, after what seems to be you feeling I slighted Mexicans.

Oh and here's the kicker I'm half Mexican most of my relatives are from Mexico, my Mom is native born, and I've taken multiple trips down to mexico for days at a time. However, I probably don't know what I'm talking about. Especially living in a Border state even if I was none of that or didn't visit.

 

[Grayfox]

The EU should hire tony abbott.

He will "solve" the problem.

 

[niky]

Bit confused how can 30 people get drowned in a boat ?

Big, leaky, wooden boat. (using the term boat very loosely)

Big, leaky, incredibly overcrowded wooden boat.

And not just New York Subway overcrowded, or Tokyo train overcrowded. Imagine those, only with no legal impediment to stepping on or sitting on other people. And with space in such short supply that sometimes lying down under whatever seats or support struts there are is sometimes your only option.

Now imagine the water in the bilge goes up a few inches. It only takes a few inches of water to drown someone who can't move.

 

[vasiliflame]

Big, leaky, wooden boat. (using the term boat very loosely)

Big, leaky, incredibly overcrowded wooden boat.

And not just New York Subway overcrowded, or Tokyo train overcrowded. Imagine those, only with no legal impediment to stepping on or sitting on other people. And with space in such short supply that sometimes lying down under whatever seats or support struts is sometimes your only option.

Now imagine the water in the bilge goes up a few inches. It only takes a few inches of water to drown someone who can't move.

Thanks for explaining it bro, I understand now

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Hey! America's too!

Does America's government ignore pesky things like the constitution to try and score political points on illegal arrivals?

Because ours is.