YSSMAN
If the tC ever had any direct competition, it mostly comes in the form of the Chevrolet Cobalt SS (without the Supercharger), with 171HP and a 5-speed manual... Its pretty plain to see that the Chevy performs better and has a better list of standard equipment for a much lower price.
I'd have to say you are completely wrong about this. 👎
First off, the 170hp Cobalt is an SS, just not the supercharged top of the line SS. Also, that 170hp Cobalt with the options of the Tc starts at over 17K (as the LT cost atleast 17K and is still less than the lowest level SS).
Trust me, I just went though all of this with the actual dealer... I'm sure you saw my "wreck my car, have little money" thread. I Almost bought a 2-door LT Cobalt until it turned out that Chevy was putting "spin" on their product's price and quality.
Bottom line: The comprable Chevy Cobalt is not cheaper and does not have a better list of standard equipment. I learned it first hand in the real world.
(as I did want a Cobalt until I found out the truth)
However, on a comparison of specs, these two definately compete with one-another... 2900lbs. Tc vs 3000lbs. Cobalt, both at roughly 170hp. 👍
On a different note...
niky
That's about the best post I've ever seen you make. How damn true! And at this point, the Celica doesn't even deserve to be called a sports car. It's just a Corolla in drag. 200hp FWD Celica vs. 180hp AWD Corolla/Matrix at the same weight? Boo. To both.
I disagree with this comment as well.
First off, the Celica GT-S weighed 2500lbs and the Corolla XR-S weighs 2670lbs. That's a considerable difference when you're pushing the same power (and making the mistake of claiming the same weight).
Also, the Celica and Corolla do not deserve to be put down on as you are doing. Both of them are nice cars and compare well with the competition. Heck, with my case, the Corolla S weighs only 2615lbs with an automatic transmission where-as the Comprable Civic weighs 2805. Even with the extra power of the Civic the Corolla comes out with a similar (but not as good) pwr, a better twr, and less weight for excellent braking and handling.
Don't get me wrong, the Civic is an excellent vehicle and IMO on a different level than the Corolla (as you can buy one for over 19,000 and still be only at the top of the normal line-up and not in the "Si" range).
However, in this case, with your comments niky, I am going to have to say they are more about a Bias against Toyota and the Celica/ Corolla/ Tc than anything else.
Of course, most of this is just my opinion so please take it that way (except the figures regarding weight, torque, and power, which are not opinion).
My opinion regarding a bottom line for all of this:
This all comes down to personal prefference.
There are plenty of FF coupes and sedans out there and most of them are very, VERY, similar. The choice of which one is "best" usually comes down to which one is your "favorite."
I try to keep that in mind and admit to myself that I am a Toyota fan and just like how so many other people do not like Toyota, my personal prefference drives many of my comments.
In my opinion, the new Camry is ugly but the Camry has always been a nice car. Adding more power to an already nice car is always a good thing. Since the Camry was never meant to be a turner-burner then it is ok to not have a "type R" mentality.
However, to apply a negative attitude to all of Toyotas products regardless of how good or bad they are is simply foolish. Just like many other companies, Toyota has good attributes and bad attributes.
Focus on what you would like, but please don't act like the Camry was ever meant to be a sports car or that the most recent Celica GT-S is a bad FF sports coupe.
You know, we could have this same tone in a conversation about Honda, the heavy Civic, and the recently announced death of the RSX but I don't see enough Honda Haters in this forum to do so.
I don't hate Honda in any way but I can easily see the similarities of the situations as well as the rediculus bias required for those who would like to argue otherwise.
Personal prefference my friends, that's what most of this is and I hope all of you can be adult enough to admit that. 👍
). A Yaris 4dr. plus they still have the Corolla. 
Looks amazing! At first, I thought I was watching a GS commercial(another car I don't like that much) thinking, GS looks better than I thought....... then they showed the front end of the car that was clearly different from GS. I can't wait to see this one of the road.
...but I really do think that Toyota went at it all wrong with the Celica and Corolla... give the Corolla some of the Celica's styling... pimp it up a bit (although, admittedly, the current Corolla, despite getting on in years, is a more handsome and distinctive car than Corollas of old)... Have a two door version or a three door hatchback with the top of the line engine available, maybe even a supercharger, and with AWD.
