Anyone want to discuss strategy?

[Randizzl]

I know we're all very competitive or whatever, but is anyone willing to discuss strategy?

I've only had time to work on the first section of Silverstone.

I know I should 'race the track', more than I should race a ghost, but I still have the ghost there to give me an idea of how things are going.

As of now, the best time for the first section of the race is just over 33 seconds. I can't even keep up with this guy through turn one. I mean, he's only JUST ahead of me after turn one, but nothing I've done to attempt to correct is helping.

So yea ... strategy discussion. Let's start with section 1...

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

Try racing a ghost which is only a few tenths faster. Once you pass that guy, move up, and so on. If you cannot, or do not want to race a ghost, then watch his replay to see his braking points, acceleration level, and steering inputs. One input at a time.

EDIT: Slightly rotate mid-corner for T16(Luffield) in 2nd gear

 

[Randizzl]

I'll try these things when I get home later. Thanks for that.

Outside of general discussion points, anyone want to discuss strategy more specifically?

 

[kekke2000]

First sector
Cut corner 1 as much as you dare, keep in fourth and dont forget to line up the car quickly for corner 2 or else you will loose a lot of speed or even go off the track. After corner 2 go as far left as you can, if you cant go all the way to the curbs, that's ok, you probably gained that by having a higher speed. Brake hard and try to turn in while breaking, the car should slide out just slitghtly in the rear to make the flow between corner 3 and 4 as smooth as possible. Dont zig-zag too much, try to stay pretty close to the center of the track to keep the flow. Brake to quiet slow speed for corner 4 and try to get a smooth exit in 2nd gear. Then floor it through corner 5 (and dont blow your tire on the curb ).

 

[Randizzl]

Fun that you listed Hamilton's pole position lap. Silverstone was nuts this weekend. I felt so bad for Hamilton. He was in such a good position to win in front of his home crowd, and those rubbish Pirellis screwed him.

Your notes seem good too.

I think I'll get turn one down without much trouble (thanks for the note about staying in 4th), it seems pretty straight forward, but obviously turns 3 and 4 are a bit tricky.

Are you finding it best to induce oversteer somehow on those corners? I see you mention it for turn three, but what about four? Should I try a bit of scandanavian flick with some hand brake to get my nose around faster on corner 4?

 

[Darkcraft]

Limit yourself to 10 to 15 lap stints , seems to work for me.
The first section is the one that is costing me too much time, haven't tried to "handbrake it" in one of the corners as that tends to cost me. What I do in some of those corners is tap the brake just a fraction of a second which seems to allow me to take the corner more tightly.
And overall : following someone's ghost or watching some replays can always help, if the techniques work for people in the top 50 ( globally ), it's good enough for me

 

[kekke2000]

Fun that you listed Hamilton's pole position lap. Silverstone was nuts this weekend. I felt so bad for Hamilton. He was in such a good position to win in front of his home crowd, and those rubbish Pirellis screwed him.

Your notes seem good too.

I think I'll get turn one down without much trouble (thanks for the note about staying in 4th), it seems pretty straight forward, but obviously turns 3 and 4 are a bit tricky.

Are you finding it best to induce oversteer somehow on those corners? I see you mention it for turn three, but what about four? Should I try a bit of scandanavian flick with some hand brake to get my nose around faster on corner 4?

Turn 4 is a tighter corner than turn 3 so you will loose speed if you get the rear out when you need the traction for accelerating out. If you manage to get it out while entering the corner then get it back in line for the exit it should be optimal. Dont touch the handbrake though, with the new body roll system it's easily controlled by shifting weight. Dont do it Drift King Style.

 

[BURIAL]

use trail braking while downshifting to get the back end out around turn 3.

 

[NoneEvo]

di you use handbrake when cornering on the demo?

 

[StrokerAce]

I havent touched the handbrake as much as I used to, trail braking has been more than enough for me, its turn 4 apex and turn 9 that are killing me.

 

[Wardez]

Actually, I used an unusual strategy in order to get my final lap time that got me through to National Finals last year. It was the last day of the time trial and I was sweating bricks being stuck at around #55 or so. I really hated being that close, feeling like I could really put a lap together but I just kept over exerting myself and messing up in different areas every time.

It started getting late, like 1am. I knew if I didn't get the lap in before a couple hours, I was just going to be too tired to drive effectively. And if I went to sleep and tried in the morning, I was going to lose my rhythm and have to warm up for hours just to get back up to the state where I could set a competitive time.

So, I decided to try a technique that my friend kept (who also made it to Silverstone last year, Rees) telling me about. Pretty much, he said to stop chasing a faster ghost as I had been doing, but load up a slightly slower ghost of myself, that I know I could beat.

Well, that ghost was a 1:31.6xx, and I needed a 1:31.2xx. It was still difficult to keep with that ghost consistently, but after just a couple laps of trying, it was a totally different feeling, trying to beat this ghost I knew I could beat rather than baking in the pressure of trying to keep up with a 1:31.1xx ghost.

So after maybe half an hour, I really started beating my old ghost pretty bad. And before I realized it, I was ahead by a car and a half by the beginning of the last sector. It was funny 'cause I didn't realize at the time that it was a significant enough lead. I thought I was maybe only going to match my best time so far, which was a 1:31.4xx.

Did the final turn and held the gap, crossed the line and looked up at my time, it was a 1:31.200. I jumped out of my seat and almost hit my head on my ceiling. It was an amazing feeling, I highly suggest giving this competition absolutely everything you have.

Here's the lap btw:
(purposely not embedding it)
http://youtu.be/w3ITYFhp3Wc

 

[Timppaq]

Wardez, good point, I always use a ghost that is little slow on the 1st half of the track or so and when I get little ahead of it it's much easier than trying to force the lap with close to optimum ghost. 👍

 

[mike_gt3]

Wardez, good point, I always use a ghost that is little slow on the 1st half of the track or so and when I get little ahead of it it's much easier than trying to force the lap with close to optimum ghost. 👍

Same here 👍

 

[Silver-Sylph]

I'm really quite fast up until about turn 9 is where i start falling apart, Its hard to carry speed into that corner and then 16-17 is where im slowest at. What my strategy is to do is watch replays of what the fast guys are going and then just try to consistently beat my own ghost than rather loading up a 1 second quicker guy. That got me to finnaly break into the 2.19s so im hoping with just more practice i can get close to the 2.18s.

 

[Ohhbaby44]

I'm just following top ghost and getting closer and closer. Long weekend ahead for my ps3 and wheel

 

[DanishGambit]

I'm using a stick and the first corner is relatively hit and miss for me. One bad flick while trying to keep the car steady and the entire lap is ruined. It's been the same for the other corners that require a powerslide.

 

[paskowitz]

I keep the ghost off and then just flick it on when I get to a straight to see if I have lost or maintained ground. If I realize that the lap is botched, I back out of the last section and make sure I get a perfect exit out of the final corner to start my next lap.

 

[CodeRedR51]

^^^ I do exactly that as well.

 

[RAYzRAYz]

are the tires already warm if you keep restarting after messing up? or should you just go around the track?

 

[lawlence]

are the tires already warm if you keep restarting after messing up? or should you just go around the track?

I don't think they are at optimal. They are warm, but maybe not optimally warm enough from a few corners ago. If the tire modeling has advanced as much as PD has advertised, doing a full lap before another would be more beneficial.

I have never done a fastest lap on a restart. It's usually a 2nd or 3rd lap. Maybe it's a rhythm thing, I don't know.

 

[spyrrari]

I have never ever set my fastest laps using a ghost...never!

It just to distracting for me...

Once you know how to do all the sections fast,and the only thing you need is to put them all into 1 super lap,you need as little distracting things as possible...

There for i sometimes use the top ghost to see if i can learn something,then put ghost off and try it myself!

Mind you,if you make it into any final of gtacademy,there wont be any ghosts!!!you have to do it yourself!!




Spy.

 

[CarCzar]

I cracked the 2:17's for the US guys. I can't wait for you all the blow past my lap while I'm asleep.

 

[kekke2000]

i have never ever set my fastest laps using a ghost...never!

It just to distracting for me...

Once you know how to do all the sections fast,and the only thing you need is to put them all into 1 super lap,you need as little distracting things as possible...

There for i sometimes use the top ghost to see if i can learn something,then put ghost off and try it myself!

Mind you,if you make it into any final of gtacademy,there wont be any ghosts!!!you have to do it yourself!!




Spy.

+1

I cracked the 2:17's for the US guys. I can't wait for you all the blow past my lap while I'm asleep.

That is an amazing achievement! All the good luck to you!

 

[BURIAL]

any tips? feels like i'm close but yet SO far, i've had several laps where i'm on pace with the top 10 guys up until about halfway then lose concentration to finish it perfectly, ugh.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

I recently took an Autocross school. The instructors stressed how important it is to look ahead, by A LOT. So when you are entering a chicane, when you turn in, you should already be looking at the exit apex.

I tried my best to look ahead, my times did drop.

 

[CarCzar]

Personally I prefer to memorize what's in front of me so I can focus directly on the braking and throttle, especially for the Z.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Edit: this is probably better: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=285460

Analysis of a round, with strategy to come close to the fastest you can go through the corners.
Warning: I'm a slow driver, some fast people might be able to give better tricks. I'm far from doing a lap like this (ever).
Trick: to go really fast you should almost only concentrate on breaking/steering/throttle, all the rest should be natural (have talent or concentrate just on this race)
Trick: for wheel users adapt the options (simulation, for me force feedback 6, sensitivity -1, + TCS =0 every time you go in)
Trick: shift down quickly when decelerating, Gran-Turismo is quite unsensitive on doing this too early.
Trick: prefer to shift before accelerating out of corners, it will give you more control on a fast lap.

Based on Ti-tech85 2:17.137 run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbDFNceDSAU

I do not mention full throtle and go up to rpm limit from now on. Speed in kmh (Ti-Tech) - mph (Tigney).

1st corner: Entry speed: 204 - 27
Break/Turn point: 2sec after board, notice only 2 small break inputs
Lowest speed: 160 - 98 Lowest gear: 4
Acceleration point: middle of corner in 4th
Trick, steer in as if you are going to turn before the corner, you will slide through.

3st corner: Entry speed: 190 - 117
Break point: 1sec after board or some meters before the red/white band, notice it goes fast to subtle break input
Lowest speed: 76 - 48 Lowest gear: 2
Acceleration point: middle of corner, start with subtle throttle

4th corner: Entry speed: 109 - 65
Break point: I have not figered it out yet, just do it on feeling, again, not a lot of breaking
Trick: go sufficiently wide so you can line up the car for the acceleration
Lowest speed: 64 - 37
Lowest gear: 2
Acceleration point: middle of corner, in 2nd start with subtle throttle, not easy here

5th corner: shift just before and you can risk to cut it quite a bit (try to not cheat!)

6th corner: I had a tendency to go to 6th gear just before, but it is never needed.
Entry speed: 220 -132
Break point: a bit after the red/white sholder starts, gradually less breaking, look at small correction just before acceleration point.
Lowest speed: 91 - 58 Lowest gear: 3
Acceleration point: end of corner, in 3rd start with subtle throttle

7th corner: Entry speed: 120 - 74
Turn point: do not break yet, just before the tarmac changes colour
Lowest speed: 76 - 46 Lowest gear: 2
Acceleration point: end of corner, in 3rd start with subtle throttle

9th corner: Entry speed: 216 - 134
Break/Turn point: 2.5" after sign, breaking fades away quickly
Lowest speed: 141 - 88 Lowest gear: 4
Acceleration point: just before middle of corner

11th corner: Entry speed: 212 -132
Break/Turn point: just past the middle of corner 10
Lowest speed: 165 - 103 Lowest gear: 4th
Acceleration point: when stable in the next straight, early after apex

12th corner: Entry speed: 168 -105
Break point: just on feeling, quite fast after 11
Lowest speed: 138 - 81 Lowest gear: 4th
Acceleration point: just a bit after the middle of the corner

13th corner: Entry speed: 142 -84
Break/Turn point: a bit before the red and white hard sholder
Lowest speed: 112 - 70 Lowest gear: 3rd
Acceleration point: 1/4 into the corner

15th corner: Entry speed: 232 - 144
Break point: 1.5" after the sign
Lowest speed: 117 - 72 Lowest gear: 3rd
Acceleration point: middle of corner, gently

16th corner: Entry speed: 185 - 115
Break point: before the sign
Lowest speed: 78 - 43 Lowest gear: 2nd
Acceleration point: a little bit before the apex

17th corner: Entry speed: 90 -57
Break point: don't break
Lowest speed: 85 -57 Lowest gear: 3
Acceleration point: 3/4 throttle at apex


How to improve from this: You do not get faster from wanting a lower time, you need to pick-up speed.
In "make or break" corners you should be at the right speed, check your replay (and speed at next breaking point).
1) Corner 1
2) Corner 4, sets up for the long straight
3) Corner 7, sets up for the long straight
4) Corner 9, very fast, need to keep the speed
5) Corner 13, sets up for the long straight