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No, the only person who has the key is dead.
Apple v. FBI...
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No, the only person who has the key is dead.
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- Blitzbay
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Plus fingerprint recognition is non-existent for dead people. The only solutions made in the code will not be able to account for the dead individual in question.
Danoff
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No. Just like they can't get a court order to get YOU to crack the phone and reimburse you.
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Don't worry. We want you to defy polynomial mathematics, but we will reimburse you for your time and effort.
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My take on the situation is that Apple already unlocked the door but the Government wants to have their own copy of that skeleton key so they can use it whenever they want.
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zzz_pt
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This doesn't make any sense. No court from any country can decide that it's OK to spy on people from other countries.
This thing with Apple would probably be in the same category (correct me if I'm wrong). The FBI would have access to every iPhone sold all over the world an not only those from USA citizens.
All of this sounds ludicrous to me. When I knew about Lavabit I got so pissed...
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It apparently did to the FISA court, and we had roughly 126 top German officials that were willing to testify to that:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel
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I thought the FISA court approves spying on foreign nationals within the US. As I understand it, if you're in the US then the government has limited information it can gather or demand from companies without a warrant. The FISA court exists to issue those warrants in secrecy so that the surveillance targets cannot be alerted to the surveillance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court
I don't know how or if spying in foreign countries is dealt with, but I suspect they care less. The US government has no real mandate to protect the privacy of German citizens, for example. The only thing that holds them back is any treaties or agreements, and how pissed off they think the Germans would be if they found out.
The same applies for most countries, they'll take as much information as they can about foreign countries regardless of whether it would be illegal if performed on their own citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court
I don't know how or if spying in foreign countries is dealt with, but I suspect they care less. The US government has no real mandate to protect the privacy of German citizens, for example. The only thing that holds them back is any treaties or agreements, and how pissed off they think the Germans would be if they found out.
The same applies for most countries, they'll take as much information as they can about foreign countries regardless of whether it would be illegal if performed on their own citizens.
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That is the problem with using a dragnet as wide as PRISM, or whatever program that Snowden was working on. Sometimes the fish net is catching too many fish when a hook and line would do. It is illegal to do it to US citizens, thanks to the 4th amendment, and they are still doing it anyways to citizens. What is to stop them from tapping the phone of the German Chancellor's office?
There is another angle to the whole case (this one and the phone tapping), and that is the shared intelligence program. According to, I think, Snowden's leaks, any intelligence that the US is getting is being funnelled to intelligence allies across the globe. The UK is one such ally to share intelligence. If any information is recovered from the shooter's phone, it will be actionable intelligence to some agency within 24 hours.
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Firstly; illegality is only proven in court. Sufficient evidence of such activity has to be gathered to make a prima facie case. Secondly; probable cause is not required for electronic communications to a certain informational degree ('Patriot' Act), very weak suspicions are legally passable. See the first sentence for the rare cases where such an examination would even be made.
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Ha, but is the FISA court even constitutional to begin with? We all have the right to face our accusers in court, but when you have a court that issues secret orders to gather actual evidence that they can use against you in the court of law, what value should we place on that evidence when we can't even redress the people who gathered it every step of the way? We have no legal recourse to squash a FISA order until it is too late, and it has been too late for years.
Dotini
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Here's something to think on.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/27/sec...nd_why_hillary_and_bernie_wont_talk_about_it/
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/27/sec...nd_why_hillary_and_bernie_wont_talk_about_it/
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The clone MIGHT be useful if done prior to the hacking or if the phone was jailbroken.
David
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'The most amazing thing might be the amount of money the government wastes on trying to get into this guys phone. I'm not sure what they think they are going to find on there that would be any more valuable than the metadata records regarding who else he was in contact with that they have surely already received from the service providers. We might be looking at the most expensive terrorist dick pics ever here (and a copy of Angry Birds). Wooo.
At any rate, this fight really isn't about this particular phone.
At any rate, this fight really isn't about this particular phone.
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Clearly the longitude and latitude of Latveria, since Dr. Doom or some equal mastermind is behind all this. Cause it couldn't simply be too radical nutjobs, watching radical Islam videos in their own time, after being shunned by local people due to their background. Similar to how any other race does radical things when their entire existence becomes scrutinized or some other similar contributing factor. Not that it makes it any better, since it only makes it worse and gives us this crazy inane gov't over reach to worry about.
