ASM & TCS

[235RX-7GT-C]

I dont know if this was already said, but I think we need to not have ASM and TCS on the classics and other cars that don't have them. It's kind of piontless to have TCS on a Muscle car when they didn't even have them in that time. GT5 should fix that.

 

[Patrik]

I dont know if this was already said, but I think we need to not have ASM and TCS on the classics and other cars that don't have them. It's kind of piontless to have TCS on a Muscle car when they didn't even have them in that time. GT5 should fix that.

I AGREE! thats very annoying. and you can chip tune any car you want to, thats unrealistic...

 

[G.T]

Yeah, I agree that cars that don't have them in real life shouldn't have them in the game. I noticed this most with TVR's.

 

[darkwind]

I like how in GT2 you could purchase the ASM and TCS, otherwise the car didn't have it at all. Maybe a system like that would be good to reimplement? I'm pretty sure if you tried hard enough you could find a way to rig up the parts on an older car.

ehhh of course I'm one of the people who cried when they got rid of race modification... so I guess I'll live.

 

[Patrik]

I like how in GT2 you could purchase the ASM and TCS, otherwise the car didn't have it at all. Maybe a system like that would be good to reimplement? I'm pretty sure if you tried hard enough you could find a way to rig up the parts on an older car.

ehhh of course I'm one of the people who cried when they got rid of race modification... so I guess I'll live.

I think the cars that have ASM/TCS irl should have it in game... the other cars you should be able to buy it for good idea

 

[Dave A]

I think cars shouldn't come standard with it if it's not available standard irl,however you should be given the ability to buy TCS for cars that don't have it.

 

[SavageEvil]

Simply put, every car in the game should accurately reflect it's real world counterpart in everyway. New cars are practically the only ones that have ABS and TCS standard, manual transmission sport cars may or may not have ABS. But I say that PD really make them very close to their real world counterparts, every model too. In GT4 some cars had adjustable spoilers but in the game you couldn't adjust them unless you bought one of the adjustable one in the shop. Some cars didn't have replaceable spoilers either, S7 is one of them, like that's realistic?

 

[crimson_menace]

I dont know if this was already said, but I think we need to not have ASM and TCS on the classics and other cars that don't have them. It's kind of piontless to have TCS on a Muscle car when they didn't even have them in that time. GT5 should fix that.

Or even an option to turn them off entirely, but I think Pd will leave it in, sides: you can turn it off yourself if they don't.

 

[Dave A]

You can't turn TCS off properly in GT4, not in GT mode or arcade mode. It feels like always on, just at a lowerlevel.

 

[Operator]

Yes, yes, exactly. I've noticed that too. It's kinda annoying..

 

[Alister_Thomas]

and you can chip tune any car you want to, thats unrealistic...

Slightly inaccurate comment, there.

Although I can't think of them off the top of my head, there are a few cars that CANNOT be chipped. I currently own 719 individual cars in my garage (that is, 719 different cars - I'm trying to collect every one available!) and have tried tuning pretty much all of them at one stage or another...

There's even one car (I think it's the Citroen 2CV) that actually results in a power DECREASE if you chip it!!!

 

[Patrik]

Slightly inaccurate comment, there.

Although I can't think of them off the top of my head, there are a few cars that CANNOT be chipped. I currently own 719 individual cars in my garage (that is, 719 different cars - I'm trying to collect every one available!) and have tried tuning pretty much all of them at one stage or another...

There's even one car (I think it's the Citroen 2CV) that actually results in a power DECREASE if you chip it!!!

well a few that cant be chipped is enough? how realistic is it to chip a Camaro '69?

 

[Alister_Thomas]

well a few that cant be chipped is enough? how realistic is it to chip a Camaro '69?

Probably not very.

I suppose PD would be using manufacturers estimates in guessing what sorts of power increases you'd get with the older cars it lets you chip...

I think we're splitting hairs here, anyway

 

[SavageEvil]

You can't turn TCS off properly in GT4, not in GT mode or arcade mode. It feels like always on, just at a lowerlevel.

U sure about that, i know when i turn my TCS to zero, it's off. I think you mean the ABS, that you can't turn off, can just adjust it's strength

 

[Patrik]

U sure about that, i know when i turn my TCS to zero, it's off. I think you mean the ABS, that you can't turn off, can just adjust it's strength

ABS??? dont you mean the ASM???

 

[Emohawk]

I don't think purchaseable driving aids are a good idea. They're not really supposed to simulate driving aids, they're just a feature to help new drivers.
Instead, I'd like a global default switch in the options menu. Experienced drivers would turn it off, and not have to worry about going into the settings of every car they buy and setting everything to zero every single time, and forgetting sometimes, resulting in loosing the race they're in because the driving aids are so annoying and then swearing a lot. AND, inexperienced drivers could just continue to not notice it and then make a thread about how Gran Turismo sucks and isn't realistic because they can't burn out.

 

[Dave A]

I mean TCS as I first said. Theres no ABS controller in GT4, the ASM is not ABS and does not effect your brakes, it effects your cars stability when turning shifting power or reducing power to different wheels when they start to lose grip. Itdoes however slow your times down if your a semi-decent driver. The TCS controls your wheels spinning in any situation like straight line acceleration, even with the TCS set to 0 the cars wheels don't spin half as muich as they do in a real car when you plant your foot. So it's as if the TCS when set to 0 is not fully off.

 

[Patrik]

I don't think purchaseable driving aids are a good idea. They're not really supposed to simulate driving aids, they're just a feature to help new drivers.

agree, why buy it? when the TCS is of in the GT series the car is not as it is in irl... if you have slicks and no TCS irl the tires doesn't spin.. but it does in GT... hope they fix that as well......

 

[Dave A]

make a thread about how Gran Turismo sucks and isn't realistic because they can't burn out.

You can't burn out properly with them off. The handling is pretty realistic, the power delivery isn't.

 

[Dave A]

agree, why buy it? when the TCS is of in the GT series the car is not as it is in irl... if you have slicks and no TCS irl the tires doesn't spin.. but it does in GT... hope they fix that as well......

Having slick tyres doesn't prevent wheelspin, it just provides the best leevl of traction a tyre car. If the drivers floor it in a GT race with no electronic aids in place the tyres will spin like ****.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

I just want them to have ASM and TCS off by default, it's annoying having to go turn it off every time I buy a car.

 

[SavageEvil]

I mean TCS as I first said. Theres no ABS controller in GT4, the ASM is not ABS and does not effect your brakes, it effects your cars stability when turning shifting power or reducing power to different wheels when they start to lose grip. Itdoes however slow your times down if your a semi-decent driver. The TCS controls your wheels spinning in any situation like straight line acceleration, even with the TCS set to 0 the cars wheels don't spin half as muich as they do in a real car when you plant your foot. So it's as if the TCS when set to 0 is not fully off.

What tires are you using? There is no need for an ABS controller since LSD does the same thing. GT has the brake balance controller, which utilizes ABS's control of the braking system. ABS on just about every cars works mainly the same way, I think you are referring to Porsche's ABS system, which works on a wider property besides wheel lock. Everyone should know what TCS does, detects wheelspin and attempts to control it.

 

[rigger]

I just want them to have ASM and TCS off by default, it's annoying having to go turn it off every time I buy a car.

👍 Couldn't agree more! 👍

 

[Dave A]

What tires are you using?

All of them on the same and different cars. It's impossible to spin the wheels like you can in real life, as though theres always a level of TCS on preventing the whels from spinning as much as they should.

 

[Cobra_UK]

I just want them to have ASM and TCS off by default, it's annoying having to go turn it off every time I buy a car.

I've come to the same conclusion myself. To me because I mainly play multiplayer and only play single player to get credits, buy, tune and set up cars. Because in multiplayer if I race my garage cars there's no TCS or ASM I always race my cars without those aids so I can be prepared in multiplayer. Thing is, if in GT5 it is possible to have TCS and ASM in multiplayer garage cars also I may start using these 2 aids and fiddle with their strength to match my driving style. I will say though although certain cars drive better with the aids tuned on, aids off make the races more fun and the replays look damn good.

You guys were talking about ABS. Do cars actually have ABS in GT4? Anyone know this? Can it be turned off?

 

[Dave A]

Heres atip, if you do start fiddleing wth ASM and TCS always leave the ASM at 0, it slows you down.

 

[Cobra_UK]

Here's a tip, if you do start fiddling with ASM and TCS always leave the ASM at 0, it slows you down.

Cheers for the tip. 👍

 

[Patrik]

I just want them to have ASM and TCS off by default, it's annoying having to go turn it off every time I buy a car.

unrealistic... the cars that have TCS and/or ASM irl should have it in game but you should be able to turn them off of course...

 

[SavageEvil]

Live4Speed, cars come with differential gears, that also can change how much or little wheelspin there is. Remember GT is working with fixed number values for temperatures, tires and road surface. Turn on tire damage and see if you can spin wheels more, i think you can. GT4's fixed temps cause the tires to spin down till the grip, which is stupid, that never happens in real life, but if you are burning out, you'll never grip unless you throttle back anyway.

About that TCS and ASM being off, i think that just about every car from the late 90's comes with ABS, ASM standard, TCS is think isn't a normal thing, since most road cars don't have the hp to break it's tires free under acceleration. I think car from MB, BMW and high class GM and Ford cars come with TCS. That should clear up having them off by default, if they are equipped on the vehicle IRL, then they are on by default. In the game there should be some sort of hardcore sim mode, which leaves cars in their real life states, exactly as they were on the showroom floor. This game comes with man handicaps set up for those who are new to the game, reason being, not everyone will want to play GT if when you first play you can't accelerate correctly, or maintain control of your vehicle. The game caters to casuals and enthusiasts alike, line had to drawn somewhere. Hopefully the next installment comes with no training wheels for the fardcore, and a handicapped mode for the uninitiated.

 

[Dave A]

Mate, I'm not GT4 novice I've been there done that I nearly always have tyre wear on, none of the cars in GT4 spin the wheels as much as the real cars do, this is most notable in the race cars. Take the speed 12 for example, it spins the whels probably more than any other stock car in GT4, however it still doesn't spin them as much as the real car. My Peugeot 306 spins the wheels more than any FF car in GT4 can including the 147 GTA which is notorious for it's wheelspin and torque steer. I've driven a Caterham which could spin the tyres far easier than the one in GT4, it's not like it's even close. The power in GT4's cars does not get delivered as much as it should, simple as.