Association Football Trivia Thread

[polysmut]

I'm not 100% sure but I've read something similar, somewhere, this year.
When I first found this thread I looked through some of the old pages. That's probably where I've seen it.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Just looked back at the last few pages, the question wasn't asked this year, and its not Brian Clough..

 

[polysmut]

It was the Chelsea manager? I don't remember the name though.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

It was the Chelsea manager..

 

[polysmut]

Just checked. It was mentioned in an answer to a different question. I read it this year but it was posted some time before that.
Now that I've looked it up, I better not say the name.

Edit: Now that Liquid has got the answer, it was here on page 52.

 

[Liquid]

Ian Porterfield. He was the first to go, and the first to be sacked. This dovetails with a previous question of mine about Coppell being the first to resign and Clough being the first to retire.

I pass. Feel free to ask another.

 

[polysmut]

If I may barge in, in the absence of a new question.

Who are the only surviving club of the eleven who signed up to be FA members at its first meeting in 1863?

 

[Ross]

Wanderers?

 

[polysmut]

Wanderers?

No. They (Wanderers) did win the first F.A. Cup of course.

According to the F.A. there were 12 clubs represented at the first meeting & of the 11 who signed up, there is 1 surviving. They were listed at the meeting under a different name to their current one.

Another of the clubs listed at the meeting shares a name with a current club but is not connected to the club we know today.

 

[Liquid]

If it was in 1863 we have to look at clubs formed before then in order to have been there. Notts County and Stoke City are the only two professional clubs founded in or before 1863. Wrexham (1864) and Chesterfield (1866) miss the cut.

Amateur clubs such as Sheffield and Corinthians probably didn't go. I'd guess Sheffield played Sheffield football for a good few years after, even though Sheffield rules were the inspiration for association football. But I could be wrong on that; Sheffield FC might have had a different name at the time.

The same-name-different-lineage is most likely Accrington FC and Accrington Stanley FC.

 

[polysmut]

If it was in 1863 we have to look at clubs formed before then in order to have been there. Notts County and Stoke City are the only two professional clubs founded in or before 1863. Wrexham (1864) and Chesterfield (1866) miss the cut.

Amateur clubs such as Sheffield and Corinthians probably didn't go. I'd guess Sheffield played Sheffield football for a good few years after, even though Sheffield rules were the inspiration for association football. But I could be wrong on that; Sheffield FC might have had a different name at the time.

The same-name-different-lineage is most likely Accrington FC and Accrington Stanley FC.

None of those are the answer to the question or to the aside.

 

[Liquid]

Something left field like Cambridge University FC?

 

[polysmut]

Something left field like Cambridge University FC?

It is something left field, yes. Not them though.

Also, this is my 1,000th post on GTP.
It's been a great 376 days so far!

 

[Liquid]

Old Etonians FC
Cray Wanderers FC

 

[polysmut]

Old Etonians FC
Cray Wanderers FC

No.

 

[Liquid]

Marlybone CC?

 

[polysmut]

Marlybone CC?

I love that guess but it's not the answer, sadly.

 

[Liquid]

Someone help us out here. @Famine

 

[Famine]

Someone help us out here. @Famine

Well, from what I remember, the original meeting of the FA was largely clubs in and around London - which is odd considering that the FA decided to use the Sheffield Rules over the other rulesets that were around at the time (like the Cambridge Rules), mainly in London - and the clubs at that time were schools. I think I'm right in saying that the problem was that each school had its own code and when the pupils went to university, each university had its own code too, so the purpose was to unify codes.


I recall that a couple of clubs were based in Blackheath, but I don't remember the schools in question. Blackheath Football Club itself is a rugby club, but it may have been a football club at the time. I know Crystal Palace was one of the clubs, but it wasn't the Crystal Palace - the current team was found in the 20th Century rather than the 19th.

In short, I dunno. Without looking up the schools - and they weren't anyone memorable like Eton, Harrow and so on - I wouldn't know.

 

[polysmut]

I know Crystal Palace was one of the clubs, but it wasn't the Crystal Palace - the current team was found in the 20th Century rather than the 19th.

Crystal Palace answers the aside that I brought up.

Edit:

I recall that a couple of clubs were based in Blackheath, but I don't remember the schools in question. Blackheath Football Club itself is a rugby club, but it may have been a football club at the time.

The F.A.'s list of clubs represented at the first meeting includes Perceval House (Blackheath) & Blackheath Proprietory School.

 

[Liquid]

So the club which was there and still exists still hasn't been said yet?

 

[ApexDrift123]

Stoke City . ?

 

[polysmut]

So the club which was there and still exists still hasn't been said yet?

Correct.
It's also not a school.


No, it's not Stoke. The correct club haven't been mentioned yet.

 

[ApexDrift123]

Civil Service FC was established in 1863 .

 

[Liquid]

Not many of the 19th century powerhouses survive to this day. Royal Engineers and Wanderers are defunct, despite a 2009 phoenix club claiming Wanderers ancestry.

 

[Famine]

Not many of the 19th century powerhouses survive to this day. Royal Engineers and Wanderers are defunct, despite a 2009 phoenix club claiming Wanderers ancestry.

Wanderers were Forest School (Leytonstone - more London) at the time of the FA's foundation anyway.

 

[polysmut]

Civil Service FC was established in 1863 .

They were represented at the first meeting of the F.A. by Mr. Warne of the War Office and still exist today.

Civil Service FC is the correct answer.

From http://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/history

The FA was formed there on 26 October 1863, a Monday evening. The captains, secretaries and other representatives of a dozen London and suburban clubs playing their own versions of football met “for the purpose of forming an Association with the object of establishing a definite code of rules for the regulation of the game”.

The clubs represented were: Barnes, War Office*, Crusaders, Forest (Leytonstone), No Names (Kilburn), Crystal Palace**, Blackheath, Kensington School, Perceval House (Blackheath), Surbiton, Blackheath Proprietory School and Charterhouse.

*Civil Service FC, who now play in the Southern Amateur League’s Senior Division One, are the only surviving club of the eleven who signed up to be FA members at that first meeting in 1863, when they were listed as the War Office. Civil Service FC are also celebrating their 150th anniversary in 2013.

**This club has no connection with the present Championship club.

 

[ApexDrift123]

Cool !

 

[Liquid]

Ooh, very good.

 

[ApexDrift123]

So is it my turn now ?