Audi R8

[Stotty]

List price of a scud must be similar to a 560?

 

[Div is back]

List price of a scud must be similar to a 560?

Who pays list for a Ferrari?

Maybe these days....while the others are all giving discounts.

 

[Tornado]

430 Scuderia prices are still very high, many over MSRP used.

And if the 360 was any indication, will be for years.

Then we have to ask the question... Whats the point? I think if you've got that much cash, and you're looking for a high-performance sports car, you're going to opt for the much-better Lambo, no?

Actually, I think you may have it backwards. Depending on how well Audi does this car (the V8 R8 was able to hang with the old Gallardo quite comfortably despite the power differences), one could potentially be asking what the point was of the Gallardo. I have to wonder what Porsche is thinking allowing a car that competes with the GT2 and the Gallardo.

 

[Philly]

Porsche AG: Maybe the next GM in terms of in-house competition?

 

[Stotty]

Who pays list for a Ferrari?

Maybe these days....while the others are all giving discounts.

No one pays list for anything now... Porsche are offering £20k+ discount off 997 turbos and rumour has it Ferrari have months of 430 stock and have had to all but stop production of the 599 & 612... interesting times.

 

[Div is back]

Porsche AG: Maybe the next GM in terms of in-house competition?

Different situation.

Audi R8
Gallardo
Porsche 997 Turbo


It's not so much about the car but rather the target market.

As long as the cars are of proper quality and sell in their respective market, I don't see the need to question its relevance.

 

[YSSMAN]

Actually, I think you may have it backwards.

You may very well be right. Then again, if car companies ran themselves the way I'd like, God only knows what'd happen.

It just seems to me like, well, wouldn't a different engine option have made more sense? I still think a TDI version would have went over well, the idea of a forced-induction V8 would have been interesting too.

Oh well. Lets have the engineers go at it like they did at GM back in the late '60s...

 

[McLaren]

List price of a scud must be similar to a 560?

Scuderia goes for about $82,000 more, MSRP. That's not including the very high-priced options.

 

[Metar]

rumour has it Ferrari have months of 430 stock and have had to all but stop production of the 599 & 612... interesting times.

So suddenly a two-year waiting list became nothing?

 

[Stotty]

So suddenly a two-year waiting list became nothing?

You might even get a few quid off.... depends on how desperate the particular dealership is to pay it's rent and rates.

 

[Metar]

Thing is, just a couple of months ago, dealerships were cracking under a two-year waiting list for 599s - it's very improbable that all those were canceled...

 

[TheCracker]

I was, perhaps wrongly, under the impression that Ferrari's were built to order? Or is it that dealers bulk order cars in advance to specifications that they think their customers would select?

 

[Metar]

They are - and seeing as 599s had (and logic assumes they still have) a waiting-list of over a year, I don't see how bulk-ordering can help them. F430s probably have a waiting list, too...

 

[McLaren]

I was, perhaps wrongly, under the impression that Ferrari's were built to order? Or is it that dealers bulk order cars in advance to specifications that they think their customers would select?

They are. All V12 models are now built to order which means the dealers can no longer order them for new inventory.

As for the F430, it's not that the waiting list has become nothing, but more so that production per month has dropped. If you try to order one, you've still got a 6 month waiting period on your hands.

 

[Stotty]

The info I came across said that stocks of 430's were building up at Ferrari and their various distributors around the World. And I also read that the orders for V12's were so bad that they had moved production of the 599 and 612 to a line they reserve for special customer orders.

I'm guessing there will be a lot of 'city boys' who ordered their Fezza in times of feast a year or so ago expecting big bonses this year only to find they are now jobless!

The figures speak for themself...

Ferrari sales November 2007 600
Ferarri sales November 2008 92

Another bit of info which demonstrates just how bad things are for the top end of the car trade... I have a friend with a 2008 997GT3. It's done 2,300 miles. He put it up for sale at £69k. It was one of 3 up for sale and the only black one around at the time and he got zero calls. They were fetching minimum high 70's/low 80's 3 months ago.

 

[McLaren]

A good example, but one that really illustrates the Ferrari situation are the used 599s on the market. The 599 GTB is typically around $450K new, and used ones are $330K-$400K still. For the past 2 months, there have been several 599 GTBs selling for as low as $200K.

 

[Stotty]

A good example, but one that really illustrates the Ferrari situation are the used 599s on the market. The 599 GTB is typically around $450K new, and used ones are $330K-$400K still. For the past 2 months, there have been several 599 GTBs selling for as low as $200K.

Exactly... what they are priced at and what they are actually changing hands for are two completely differnt things!

 

[Horde_R35]

Ill just bring this thread back to live and veave this here.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^Since you brought up the 2013 model, I thought it's more insane sibling should be involved too.

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