Australian V8 Super Cars Ford Falcon XR8 vs Chevrolet Camaro SS '10 RM

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Which Cars would you like to feature in the race?

  • Camaro SS RM, Ford Falcon XR8

    Votes: 11 84.6%

  • Camaro SS non RM, Holden Camaro, Holden Commodore

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
StanleyFischer
Well, I actually have no Falcon XR8 ... and I prefer to see more than two different cars in a race ...
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Australian Super Car V8 are normally ford falcon vs holdens anyway?
 
kk20
Australian Super Car V8 are normally ford falcon vs holdens anyway?
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Yup yup ... Just with different liveries amongst each make. This should be good and happy to test.
 
for sure down for this tin top racing at its best!!!!!
psn STIGGY_34 car Ford Falcon XR8
 
thanks man this is actually like an idea i had for a series WTCC (world touring cars) 650 hp about 1200-1300 kgs any of the DTM SuperGT all that you know longer races pit stops two tyre compounds
 
Currently, best for me Mon to Thur, from 22:00 onwards - ideally.

Happy to take either the Ford or the Camaro RM, so will leave to see which is getting the least love, and choose that.

These two cars should test very well in race conditions, keeping very close. Can be made into a good series with the right tracks, and I love the two compound idea as well, making a mandatory pit stop as part of the race, with different strategies going on (maybe with you have to start on the compound that you qualified in).
 
Knelly
Currently, best for me Mon to Thur, from 22:00 onwards - ideally.

Happy to take either the Ford or the Camaro RM, so will leave to see which is getting the least love, and choose that.

These two cars should test very well in race conditions, keeping very close. Can be made into a good series with the right tracks, and I love the two compound idea as well, making a mandatory pit stop as part of the race, with different strategies going on (maybe with you have to start on the compound that you qualified in).
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Is that British Summer Time?

I was thinking we could maybe lean towards 6 ish.
 
cheers :) I'd also like to add a suggestion, I like your idea of two different tyre compounds (sounds like it could be interesting) but with a set amount of laps in the race when you're allowed to pit maybe?

Also it might be worthwhile to PP limit rather than HP/Weight limit, so as to avoid one car having an advantage due to differing aero specs, etc (I'm saying this without truly knowing as I haven't built a RM Camaro to check)
 
Tiddy
cheers :) I'd also like to add a suggestion, I like your idea of two different tyre compounds (sounds like it could be interesting) but with a set amount of laps in the race when you're allowed to pit maybe?

Also it might be worthwhile to PP limit rather than HP/Weight limit, so as to avoid one car having an advantage due to differing aero specs, etc (I'm saying this without truly knowing as I haven't built a RM Camaro to check)
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Oh yh. thanks for reminding me. The Camaro has more less Aero so what we'll do is max out the Aero on the Camaro and use the same aero in the falcon. The Camaro has more PP but I forgot the exact figures. I'll update tomorrow.

What we'll do for the two tyre compounds:

You must qualify on Racing Mediums and you may later Switch to Softs. There is no specific number of laps you must do with each compound.

I dont understand how there are 9 votes yet only 6 people are taking part. lol.
 
kk20
Oh yh. thanks for reminding me. The Camaro has more less Aero so what we'll do is max out the Aero on the Camaro and use the same aero in the falcon. The Camaro has more PP but I forgot the exact figures. I'll update tomorrow.

What we'll do for the two tyre compounds:

You must qualify on Racing Mediums and you may later Switch to Softs. There is no specific number of laps you must do with each compound.

I dont understand how there are 9 votes yet only 6 people are taking part. lol.
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I like the idea but... I'm not sure when the game gives an aero setting that it is a defined universal setting, I think it's more that it is just a adjustable part specific to the car, so when it says 20 on the camaro it might not be as 'efficient' as 20 on the falcon. Either way, it's best to just check :) and the tyre idea sounds good, although maybe work it the other way? since for some reason in GT5 racing softs last longer the mediums :odd: so I'd be pitting early on for stickier rubber and longer life :P
 
Tiddy
I like the idea but... I'm not sure when the game gives an aero setting that it is a defined universal setting, I think it's more that it is just a adjustable part specific to the car, so when it says 20 on the camaro it might not be as 'efficient' as 20 on the falcon. Either way, it's best to just check :) and the tyre idea sounds good, although maybe work it the other way? since for some reason in GT5 racing softs last longer the mediums :odd: so I'd be pitting early on for stickier rubber and longer life :P
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In my Super GT Race Series the Softs lasted for about 11 laps and the cars were 250kg lighter. I think a two stopper is the way forward. Going for one stop means Conservative driving (very much like jenson)

PS. 11 Laps is 33 miles. a one stopper means 40 miles on each set on average meaning 13 laps. 2 laps will result in losing serious time.
 
kk20
In my Super GT Race Series the Softs lasted for about 11 laps and the cars were 250kg lighter. I think a two stopper is the way forward. Going for one stop means Conservative driving (very much like jenson)

PS. 11 Laps is 33 miles. a one stopper means 40 miles on each set on average meaning 13 laps. 2 laps will result in losing serious time.
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I see, in that case then I think I'll have to have a play around, also, 35 is the max aero setting for the Camaro RM by the way, not 40 :)

I've built both cars up and the figures come out like this:

Camaro RM: 450BHP/4500RPM-76kgfm/4300RPM-Displacement 6.2L PP:584
Ford Falcon: 450BHP/7100RPM-63kgfm/5100RPM-Displacement 5.0L PP:579

These stack up pretty close by the figures (apart from the Camaro has more torque and also achieves its max power and torque at lower rpm's), I'm going to do some running though to get some times (on both sets of tyres with no tuning to the base setup).
 
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Tiddy
I see, in that case then I think I'll have to have a play around, also, 35 is the max aero setting for the Camaro RM by the way, not 40 :)

I've built both cars up and the figures come out like this:

Camaro RM: 450BHP/4500RPM-76kgfm/4300RPM-Displacement 6.2L PP:584
Ford Falcon: 450BHP/7100RPM-63kgfm/5100RPM-Displacement 5.0L PP:579

These stack up pretty close by the figures (apart from the Camaro has more torque and also achieves its max power and torque at lower rpm's), I'm going to do some running though to get some times (on both sets of tyres with no tuning to the base setup).
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Thank you very much for doing this. I will update the OP.
 
kk20
Thank you very much for doing this. I will update the OP.
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It's fine :) all part of the game at the end of the day :P

Anyhow, I've ran a few laps and I've made a few observations.
1. I LOVE the Camaro, if it's possible I'd like to change my car to the Camaro as it just feels so much more alive than the Falcon, having said that, it is more lively at the back and suffers from the lack of downforce which is noticeable under acceleration out of corners.
2. Both cars are pretty close on laptimes, I've ran 3 laps with each car on Grand Valley (Racing Medium tyres) and came out with these statistics:
Ford Falcon: 1:52.715
Chevrolet Camaro: 1:52.563
It's worth noting that I ran the Falcon first but from what I can tell they are very close in terms of lap times although I found it harder to be consistent with the Camaro (more fun however).
3. These cars absolutely DESTROY front tyres to a scary extent, after 5 laps I think I'd probably used about 20% of the front tyres whilst driving the Camaro. The Falcon is slightly easier on its tyres I believe (certainly the rears). It seems very likely however it will be the front tyres that go first (presumably due to the weight balance being over the front wheels).

Hope this helps out :)
 
Tiddy
It's fine :) all part of the game at the end of the day :P

Anyhow, I've ran a few laps and I've made a few observations.
1. I LOVE the Camaro, if it's possible I'd like to change my car to the Camaro as it just feels so much more alive than the Falcon, having said that, it is more lively at the back and suffers from the lack of downforce which is noticeable under acceleration out of corners.
2. Both cars are pretty close on laptimes, I've ran 3 laps with each car on Grand Valley (Racing Medium tyres) and came out with these statistics:
Ford Falcon: 1:52.715
Chevrolet Camaro: 1:52.563
It's worth noting that I ran the Falcon first but from what I can tell they are very close in terms of lap times although I found it harder to be consistent with the Camaro (more fun however).
3. These cars absolutely DESTROY front tyres to a scary extent, after 5 laps I think I'd probably used about 20% of the front tyres whilst driving the Camaro. The Falcon is slightly easier on its tyres I believe (certainly the rears). It seems very likely however it will be the front tyres that go first (presumably due to the weight balance being over the front wheels).

Hope this helps out :)
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Thank you soo much for some info...When I tested both cars I found the Ford more unstable and the Camaro was grippier. The suspension was untuned.

Does the Ford feel like it has more rear downforce when you tested?

Try changing the Brake Balance to go easy on the front tyres. However, having said that I'd prefer having stronger front brakes as the weight shifts forward since the cars have a fair bit of weight on them.

PS. Have you read info about time and date?
 
Sounds like some rear ballast or camber could help with the fish tailing???

Love the detail you guys have post over the last couple of threads.

Anyone for testing now?
 
Ohhh guys, Tuesday's awesome, but that's really early for me, getting hone from work and stuff. I need at least 8:00. Can that be managed?
 
kk20
Thank you soo much for some info...When I tested both cars I found the Ford more unstable and the Camaro was grippier. The suspension was untuned.

Does the Ford feel like it has more rear downforce when you tested?

Try changing the Brake Balance to go easy on the front tyres. However, having said that I'd prefer having stronger front brakes as the weight shifts forward since the cars have a fair bit of weight on them.

PS. Have you read info about time and date?
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Really? I found the opposite to be the case, that the Camaro wanted to break the back end free a lot more readily than the Falcon. The Falcon seems a lot more planted at the rear to me, however that might just be because the Falcon's initial setup is geared towards understeer.

I'll give the brake balance a tweak to see if it helps wear, I'm finding drop off on the medium compound tyre to be around 1-2tenths of a second per lap (This is on the Camaro though so it may be different for the Falcon)

Also a little something I've noticed. I think the Camaro may have a touch more built-in adjustability, this is because to reach the required specs the Camaro has to have ballast added to reach 1350kg, thus you can move the ballast around for better overall weight distribution. I've currently got my Camaro set to 50/50 (I've yet to try other setups)

I also thought that due to the heavily power restricted nature of the Camaro that it may be beneficial to upshift far before the rev limiter since max torque is at 4300 RPM and max power at 4500RPM (with torque dropping off significantly after this point) This doesn't appear to be the case though as when I ran a lap upshifting at 5500RPM as opposed to 7000RPM my laptime was a lot slower (almost 0.5 of a second :odd: ).

Regarding time and date, both are perfectly fine for me :) (To be honest, anytime is fine for me since I'm on summer break for college and have no job :lol: )

@Knelly I've been running a bit of testing currently but I'm going off now, If you add me on PSN I'll happily run some more testing on another day :)
 
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